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[WarBaby2]

Well more I like characters where I can create their own character, I never roleplay my self in rpgs, I prefer making new characters. I was able to do this with the Warden and Inquisitor(was able to make many different wardens and two Inqusitiors are vastly different with more planned in the future), I liked Hawke but she was just too predetermined for my liking as a PC and she was too reactive for my liking.

Maybe it would be better to say: Put your own ideas into a character as opposed to guiding a predefined character through a story that is written with specifically that character in mind... I still think BW's stories are far to limited in options (especially since everything is voiced) to really facilitate a truly personalized character.

 

Especially in DAI, I encountered more then one situation where I wasn't happy with any of the options I was presented with... stuff like that is less "problematic" to me when I can see my character as part of the narrative.

[Fardreamer]

No... Hawke's story was about Kirkwall. I don't want to be pigeonholed into playing a human charcter again with no other choices.

The DA franchise has a new protagonist for each new game. This isn't Mass Effect.

[Vox Draco]

I'm going to assume that this topic has already come up but since I've been playing the game, I've avoided this channel in the forums.

 

Anyways, despite the problems with DA:2, I really LOVED Hawke as the PC, the character development, personality, everything.  I also think that DA:I would be more fitting with Hawke as the inquisitor when considering he/she fought Cory in the previous game.  Outside of Shepard, Hawke is my most beloved game character and to be honest, I'm kinda sad that BioWare didn't continue with his/her story for DA:I as well.

 

Any of you feel the same way?

 

Well ... it is kinda sure to say that, if DA2 would have been recepted way better we indeed might have seen Hawke. Soemone else already made a better post about it somewhere but just look at it:

 

DA2 is basically Hawke's complete Origin-Story, told from a third-person-perspective (so not all of what Varric tells us/Cass needs to be carried over into DAI)

Also we are constantly told in DA2 (and its hinted in DAI as well) that Cass and Co think Hawke to be THE person not only responsible for everything, but also the key to solve the mess. This gets totally abandoned later with the Quizzy appearing. Not mentioning the main baddy of DAI: Cory, has a very personal story with the Hawke-Family and already met Hawke and got defeated ... if that isn't something to consider ^^

 

Hawke surely at some point was meant to lead the Inquisiton against Cory. And luke-warm reception of DA2 made them reconsider. And the fact that so many people got upset about  the treatment of Shepard in ME3? Surely didn't help Hawke either. I suspect Bioware after that had no interest in creating a Thedas-Shepard anymore, out of fear it might end again in red/green/blue muffins send to them ^^

 

All speculation of course (Bioware's specialty!) ... but I see some point here supporting this

[Gaz83]

I'm deeply regretting the fact I let all the negative reviews - not only of critics, but trusted friends - put me off investing in the second game. I adore the first one and was super eager to play the sequel, but the gloomy reception stopped me from doing so.

 

Now I cannot help but feel I missed out a little. I have read a few synopsis style re-caps though, so I'm half up to speed. 

[WarBaby2]

All speculation of course (Bioware's specialty!) ... but I see some point here supporting this

 

Hawke surely at some point was meant to lead the Inquisiton against Cory. And luke-warm reception of DA2 made them reconsider. And the fact that so many people got upset about  the treatment of Shepard in ME3? Surely didn't help Hawke either. I suspect Bioware after that had no interest in creating a Thedas-Shepard anymore, out of fear it might end again in red/green/blue muffins send to them ^^

 

Pretty much this... evidence for it can be seen everywhere in DAI... it's almost as if the inquisitor we got in the end, was an afterthought to get the race options into the game so many people wanted back after DA2.

[themikefest]

I liked to of had femHawke stay and fight  like at Adamant and in the fade instead of going off to Weisshaupt. Heck even have her show up at the end to help fight Corypheus.

[AWTEW]

Dragon Age 2 was the worse game to ever exist.

Clearly, you have not played many games if you think that to be the case. If you want a really bad game, go and play E.T or Superman 64.

Yes. DAI would have been much better with hawke, and made more story sense. The inquisitor was bland and boring..and the humerous choices were crap, or not humerous at all. Sarcastic Hawke would have made the pointless grinding in DAI 100% more bearable.

[WarBaby2]

Clearly, you have not played many games if you think that to be the case. If you want a really bad game, go and play E.T or Superman 64.

Yes. DAI would have been much better with hawke, and made more story sense. The inquisitor was bland and boring..and the humerous choices were crap, or not humerous at all. Sarcastic Hawke would have made the pointless grinding in DAI 100% more bearable.

True, nothing beats Femhawkes snarky humor.

[AgentMrOrange]

I miss hawke's snarky personality but not hawk. the inquisitor personality was flat 

[Steelcan]

I'm glad we can be rid of them

[Draining Dragon]

Hell no. Hawke is the one who got all these shenanigans started.

[Kenshen]

I think it could have worked as the game is now but in order to please people we couldn't just stop and Hawke and Varric.  People would complain a lot if they couldn't have Isabella, Ferris, Merrel... Also BW would have pay for both VA's to do an entire games worth of lines granted I am not sure if that is a expensive thing or not.  The more I think about it the more of a headache it would cause.  Other than Hawke's small part and maybe a DLC appearance I am afraid his/her story (controlable PC) is over. 

[ashwind]

Hawke surely at some point was meant to lead the Inquisiton against Cory. And luke-warm reception of DA2 made them reconsider. And the fact that so many people got upset about  the treatment of Shepard in ME3? Surely didn't help Hawke either. I suspect Bioware after that had no interest in creating a Thedas-Shepard anymore, out of fear it might end again in red/green/blue muffins send to them ^^

 

 

If that were the case, Bioware certainly hasnt learn. ME's failure is not caused by the red/green/blue ending choice although many feel that way. DA:I to a great degree shared the exact same downfall of ME3. We are not furious because honestly, anyone who loves ME as much as DA must agree that DAI does not carry the emotional weight that ME3 carried. I personally do not care for DA:I's companions  (and why should I, they are all immortals and cant die no matter what) nor the Inquisitor as much as I cared about every character, race and NPC in ME. It was a 7 year journey for crying out loud.

 

In ME3, the final battle was rush, badly done. If they have take an extra year just for the London mission alone, ME3 would have been a masterpiece of ages. I wanted to see the assets that I have accumulated for 7 years come to bare. I want to see all my allies fighting and dying, no just a few seconds of cut scene that has no impact whatsoever, a mistake repeated with DA:I's final missions. ME3's ending mission should have been ME2's suicide mission on steroids, I am fully expecting that.

 

The Red/Green/Blue choices will not be criticized if they were not simply presented as choices by probably the most hated Bioware creation of all time - the Star Brat. If my assets cannot protect the Crucible, I will get the Red ending. It should not be a choice, it should have been a result of the sum of my actions, the Crucible fired and all a sudden "Ohhhh no, I killed Legion!! I must now replay maybe ME2 to make things right".

 

I feel that Bioware made the same mistake here in DA:I as they did in ME3. Yeah, upgrading Skyhold... recruiting agents... for? Again I stress, it is as bad but lucky for them, DA:I is not ME trilogy. I (we) do not care enough to turn into Rage Demons.

 

Bioware Devs reading this, please take note. Finale should be done like ME2/DAO. 

[Jackal19851111]

No, because I like my race choices thank you very much.

I have not played a human in DAI and have no desire to, nor would I like to be forced to play a human.

 

As for ME3's final battle, I loved it, it's just the last 10 minutes pre-extended cut that got me going WTF.

DAI's problem with its final battle is that -> there is no final battle. He just shows up to be killed.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I play a Dalish Inquisitor, I prefer him to my Hawke, though I loved my Hawke too. I would have like to have began while he was with his clan, much as DAO did, then played through going to the conclave and, escaping the fade the first time. Yes it shold be short, just a bit of a run about to gather things needed to go to the conclave, then the conclave, mostly cut scene but, having to stay out of sight of the divine until Cory takes her. I would like to meet clan Lavellan.

 

Similar things could have been done with each race. It would have give a bit more of a backstory. As it is we are left to imagine all but the bare bones of it.

 

Why would a clan send a mage? He could have been a keeper,  training to be one at least or, were there too many mages in his clan and, so going to the conclave was because he made a deal with his keeper to remain with his clan, or had he done wrong or failed the clan and, this was a way to make reparations? We don't know so it's up to us. For me, he was a mage to many, so would have had to leave his clan anyway and, he didn't want to go to another clan so, either way he ends up living in the Shem world.

[Fardreamer]

If that were the case, Bioware certainly hasnt learn. ME's failure is not caused by the red/green/blue ending choice although many feel that way. DA:I to a great degree shared the exact same downfall of ME3. We are not furious because honestly, anyone who loves ME as much as DA must agree that DAI does not carry the emotional weight that ME3 carried. I personally do not care for DA:I's companions (and why should I, they are all immortals and cant die no matter what) nor the Inquisitor as much as I cared about every character, race and NPC in ME. It was a 7 year journey for crying out loud.

In ME3, the final battle was rush, badly done. If they have take an extra year just for the London mission alone, ME3 would have been a masterpiece of ages. I wanted to see the assets that I have accumulated for 7 years come to bare. I want to see all my allies fighting and dying, no just a few seconds of cut scene that has no impact whatsoever, a mistake repeated with DA:I's final missions. ME3's ending mission should have been ME2's suicide mission on steroids, I am fully expecting that.

The Red/Green/Blue choices will not be criticized if they were not simply presented as choices by probably the most hated Bioware creation of all time - the Star Brat. If my assets cannot protect the Crucible, I will get the Red ending. It should not be a choice, it should have been a result of the sum of my actions, the Crucible fired and all a sudden "Ohhhh no, I killed Legion!! I must now replay maybe ME2 to make things right".

I feel that Bioware made the same mistake here in DA:I as they did in ME3. Yeah, upgrading Skyhold... recruiting agents... for? Again I stress, it is as bad but lucky for them, DA:I is not ME trilogy. I (we) do not care enough to turn into Rage Demons.

Bioware Devs reading this, please take note. Finale should be done like ME2/DAO.

It seems like people are either a ME fan or a DA fan. Because I disagree with pretty much everything you said about companions and such. DA does it much better imo.

[We'll bang okay]

maybe not the protagonist, but as a companion would of been great, I mean they free corypheus and leave us to clean up there mess 

[Andraste_Reborn]

I love my Hawkes, but I love having a new protagonist for each game more. I think the series works better that way. Also: dwarves! (And qunari. And, I guess, elves.)

[Mr.House]

Clearly, you have not played many games if you think that to be the case. If you want a really bad game, go and play E.T or Superman 64.

Yes. DAI would have been much better with hawke, and made more story sense. The inquisitor was bland and boring..and the humerous choices were crap, or not humerous at all. Sarcastic Hawke would have made the pointless grinding in DAI 100% more bearable.

No it would not have been better, I would not have enjoyed DAI at all if Hawke was the protag as it would not have made sense and would have been OOC for her big time. Hawke is not a leader, Hawke made many big mistakes(along with Varric) and in the end failed to save a city and their own familly. You don't make someone like that a leader of an organization. The whole "we need Hawke thing" was always silly.

[Arl Raylen]

Hawke was too edgy for this game. Can you imagine sarcastic or aggressive Hawke talking to Cassandra, Leliana, or heaven forbid, Josephine? The Inquisition would have fallen to infighting and petty squabbles before Corypheus even attacked Haven

[Giantdeathrobot]

My Inquisitor was more productive in the prologue than Hawke was during a whole game.

 

So in short, nope.

 

Also, Hawke means no race choices. And surely that is heresy.

[Mr.House]

Really if we played Hawke again we would have either gotten very few new companions or people would be pissed because X is not there or their LI did not get a spot. These are the same issues that plagued by ME, having a new protag each game is simply smarter.

[ashwind]

It seems like people are either a ME fan or a DA fan. Because I disagree with pretty much everything you said about companions and such. DA does it much better imo.

 

Some people tend to have one preference. 

 

Really if we played Hawke again we would have either gotten very few new companions or people would be pissed because X is not there or their LI did not get a spot. These are the same issues that plagued by ME, having a new protag each game is simply smarter.

 

Smarter... or easier?

[N7KnightSabre]

I wish Hawke was the protag in this game as I think it would've made the story a lot stronger.  The Inquisitor is just kinda meh to me.