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[Sah291]

Yes and no.

 

I loved Hawke, and I did feel like dealing with Corypheus would have been more personal. They could have worked Carver/Bethany into the templar/mage or warden conflict, I agree that would have created some interesting drama. I read that the devs folded in the storyline from the cancelled expansion for DA2, so perhaps that's why it feels like it was meant for Hawke. 

 

But the second half of the game, with the Temple of Mythal, eluvian, and stuff with Flemeth, elven lore, etc...no, I enjoyed very much having a new protagonist for that (and getting to actually play as an elf). 

 

I thought they did a good job with Hawke's cameo.

[LostInReverie19]

Well, I'm of the opinion that the main storyline of DA:I could and should have been condensed down into an expansion for DA2. What does that tell you? Hawke is the one who let Corypheus out; Hawke should be the one to deal with Corypheus. Take away the tedious exploration from this game and what you have left could have easily been an EP for DA2, and in fact, the storyline even makes sense as an extension of Hawke's story.

[Lazarillo]

About Hawke?  Nah, not really.  Though I would've been cool if I could've had her as an actual, permanent party member (with a Hawke romance, for that matter!).

 

This got me thinking, though, weren't parts of this game originally supposed to be an Expansion for DA2?  Now that the whole plot is there in front of us, do we know which parts?  Kind of curious which aspects actually were supposed to feature Hawke as the protagonist.

[NoForgiveness]

Nope. I like the whole rotating protagonists thing. And not being Hawke means I can be an elf.

 

Plus I really liked Hawke's involvement in DAI. I got a nice sense of pride(and sadness from Varric) when Hawke died. I was all like "My Hawke would totes do that"

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

 

No, and I want to see new protagonist for every DA games, but a cameo appearance for previous protagonists in the future games is welcome. 

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I'm glad we can get rid of Hawke anyway.   

[Fragoos]

My Hawke was pro templars, the story choices would have been minimized. And poor Fiona could really use a hug. It would also lock a human in the inquisitor seat. Not to mention we would mis out on Cassandra going berserk on Varric and their banter.

[Chuvvy]

I think he could fit into the story quite well. He was certainly set up to be important, it would also make more sense for Varric to be there if Hawke was. They kinda kicked this whole thing off together, so they might as well finish it. All and all it would've worked as well, if not better with Hawke as the PC. I guess some people would be upset about not being able to play as whatever race they want, but I'm not too bothered, so long as it serves the story.

 

Of course I'm also okay with bioware ditching the whole "choose your name that you'll never hear" thing, in favor of giving the PC an actual name.

[jellobell]

Ehhh, my Hawke was kind of a serial f*ckup (through no fault of her own, mind) and a reluctant hero at the best of times. She was mostly just trying to make Kirkwall a less shitty place to be in. Putting her in charge of saving all of Thedas would've been a bad idea.

[Mr.House]

Ehhh, my Hawke was kind of a serial f*ckup (through no fault of her own, mind) and a reluctant hero at the best of times. She was mostly just trying to make Kirkwall a less shitty place to be in. Putting her in charge of saving all of Thedas would've been a bad idea.

Yup.

[Ozzy]

What I would have liked was to see the Exalted March DLC be released but I'll take what I can get.

 

It's a shame to see that many people's Hawkes in this thread were so sucky though, mine was pretty much a boss. He made the best out of a completely ****** situation. Considering he managed what he did in a place that was completely ****** up, I think he would have done great in a more stable environment.

 

That said, I wouldn't have liked to see him as the leader of the Inquisition. It just doesn't fit in my mind. 

 

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[Mr.House]

I think he could fit into the story quite well. He was certainly set up to be important, it would also make more sense for Varric to be there if Hawke was. They kinda kicked this whole thing off together, so they might as well finish it. All and all it would've worked as well, if not better with Hawke as the PC. I guess some people would be upset about not being able to play as whatever race they want, but I'm not too bothered, so long as it serves the story.

 

Of course I'm also okay with bioware ditching the whole "choose your name that you'll never hear" thing, in favor of giving the PC an actual name.

No I'm against it because Hawke could not save one city and their own family. They made too many mistakes and did not take the initiative at many times they should have. You expect me to believe someone like that could lead an organization and do the stuff my Inquisitor did? Not bloody likely. I am fine with Hawke doing her redemption story in DAI.

 

Hawke is not a leader and I;m pleased they dropped it because even in DA2 it was silly that Cass thought Hawke could do this.

[berrieh]

I like the new protagonist for each game angle, personally. I liked seeing Hawke in the game, though. 

[Aesir26]

No, not really. I mean, I like my Hawke but her story felt finished at the end of DA2.

 

Of course, another reason is that I love the reintroduction of race choices in DAI since playing as a human in every fantasy or sci-fi game gets really boring for me.

[jellobell]

It's a shame to see that many people's Hawkes in this thread were so sucky though, mine was pretty much a boss. He made the best out of a completely ****** situation. Considering he managed what he did in a place that was completely ****** up, I think he would have done great in a more stable environment.

I just don't think Hawke is the kind of hero Inquisition needed. I liked my Hawke because she was a refugee who carved herself a place in a big, uncaring city, found herself a group of friends to hang out with, and went on to do interesting stuff with them. She was a scrappy, underdog sort of hero. She fit for DA2 because it was a very small-scale, very personal story. She wasn't incompetent, but life just kept on kicking her in the teeth, no matter what she did. And that's kind of what defined her. That just doesn't work for a big ol' save the world story.

[Nefla]

No. For one I want new characters and new stories each time and for another: race choices are extremely important to me. Being forced to be human after having a choice in DA:O was the worst part of DA2 for me.

[Vylix]

Hawke joining the inquisition? Ehh.. mine would be more of the sub-par contact sort. Crawling around bars, Killing vints with Fenris and sending info back to skyhold, that sort of thing.

Hawke leading the inquisition? Uh... We'd be rich but Thedas would be destroyed, so there's that. Plus I think the inquisition has enough money as is without some overly risky work.

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Plus Hawke at the winter palace? Yeah, Everyone would end up dead and there would be no valuables left there. 

 

I would have liked a bit more character development for my quizzie's personality in the sense that I couldn't tell what the hell kind of tone my quizzie was going to give from dialogue trees, and had to re-do a lot of the judgement crap my first game because what my inquisitor said was way different than what I was expecting them to say, but I think that's more of a me problem/preference than anything.

[Shadow Fox]

Elf>Dwarf>Qunari>Human so no.

[phaonica]

The chances of Hawke being at the right place at the right time to acquire the anchor are pretty low, so that part of the story would probably need to be changed. Plus you'd be restricted to human only. I think I'd rather Bioware have the freedom they need to explore the events in the world from a lot of different perspectives, not just the Champion of Kirkwall's.

[Kapsejs]

I loved Hawke as a protagonist and I loved Hawke's story. DA2 was far from a perfect game, but the story and characters were great IMO. With that said, I would not have wanted Hawke as a new protagonist. I loved playing a new character, a scared elf who at first had no clue what was even going on anymore but during the course of the game became a Big Goddamn Hero.

It was great to see Hawke, and to have Hawke as a companion is actually not a bad idea! Imaging bringing him/her, Varric and Cassandra

[angelofsol]

Nope. I adore my Hawke but she is a horrible leader and not proactive at all, she would just lead the Inquisition to ruin as she just cared about coin, her friends and family, persona power and Isabelas bosom.

But then that would have really given weight to the "Lead them or Fall"!  Might have been great to give a previous character a chance to grow or fail utterly.  I think it would have made a great game.  As it stands there was really no chance to fall.

I think not pigeon holing people into Hawke with the option to play someone new would have been fine, but I think it would have been fantastic to be able to opt to play Hawke as the Inquisitor.  Outside of writing in some LIs if you opted for that not much would have had to change.

[Massadonious1]

A "fix your mess" storyline could have worked, but I agree with others, I do like the rotating protagonist thing DA has going on.

 

I do love the ME universe, but if they never decided to work on a 4th game, I wouldn't have been surprised. Leaving my Shepard after that 3rd felt like the entire universe was coming to a close.

[Vox Draco]

If that were the case, Bioware certainly hasnt learn. ME's failure is not caused by the red/green/blue ending choice although many feel that way. DA:I to a great degree shared the exact same downfall of ME3. We are not furious because honestly, anyone who loves ME as much as DA must agree that DAI does not carry the emotional weight that ME3 carried. I personally do not care for DA:I's companions  (and why should I, they are all immortals and cant die no matter what) nor the Inquisitor as much as I cared about every character, race and NPC in ME. It was a 7 year journey for crying out loud.

 

In ME3, the final battle was rush, badly done. If they have take an extra year just for the London mission alone, ME3 would have been a masterpiece of ages. I wanted to see the assets that I have accumulated for 7 years come to bare. I want to see all my allies fighting and dying, no just a few seconds of cut scene that has no impact whatsoever, a mistake repeated with DA:I's final missions. ME3's ending mission should have been ME2's suicide mission on steroids, I am fully expecting that.

 

The Red/Green/Blue choices will not be criticized if they were not simply presented as choices by probably the most hated Bioware creation of all time - the Star Brat. If my assets cannot protect the Crucible, I will get the Red ending. It should not be a choice, it should have been a result of the sum of my actions, the Crucible fired and all a sudden "Ohhhh no, I killed Legion!! I must now replay maybe ME2 to make things right".

 

I feel that Bioware made the same mistake here in DA:I as they did in ME3. Yeah, upgrading Skyhold... recruiting agents... for? Again I stress, it is as bad but lucky for them, DA:I is not ME trilogy. I (we) do not care enough to turn into Rage Demons.

 

Bioware Devs reading this, please take note. Finale should be done like ME2/DAO. 

 

First, ME had a couple of good chars, but it also made a mistake to give us TOO MANY. This is ME2 greatest failure. So many people think its the best ME-Game, however its where things get awry for the franchise. And I am not talking gameplay here, only story. So many wasted opportunities. Collectors? What the ...? Allied with Cerberus ... what the? Instead of using the length of an entire friggin game to prepare the galaxy and find a way to stop the Reapers (and they ARE stoppable if written that way^^) we spend the game with endless side-quests to recruit an over-abundance of characters ... instead of simply using the ones from the prior game, elaborate their personalities and add only a couple more, not an entire army of them...

 

And that WAS a mistake that even Bioware acknowledged by ... reducing the majority of new chars to mere cameos in ME3...and just to make a new mistake to add even MORE new chars I never cared about...well, EDI has a body now, and that Latino-guy I even forgot the name. Too many characters for a seven-year-journey! Its like they had exchanged everyone around Luke Skywalker with every movie! (And I didn't even have all DLCs that added EVEN MORE chars!)

 

And yes, ME3 was rushed, but with the wasted Setup of ME2, what could have worked in ME3 to satisfy people anyway? Did anyone really consider THIS to be the epic ending to an otherwise rather epic story? The ending to ME1 was great, the suicide-mission .. would have been greater if more meaningful. And everything on Earth in ME3 is stupid...yeah, talking with the Admiral while have-dead was emotional, but would have been stronger IF WE HAD ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING BEFORE!

 

I really liked Mass Effect, despite the yelling above. But nowadays, all I see when I look at it is: wasted opportunities all over. Maybe its EA, the change of writers, budget, I do not know. But I see the series going downhill storywise, losing focus with ME2, as if they had the story of a totally different game and slapped Mass Effect at it. Consistent trilogy? No, not really, all three parts never really match up. And what to expect if they want every game to be accessible even if you haven't played the previous ones? They even advertised ME3 with that...The perfect start into the trilogy...no words for that...

 

And this was the rant for the weekend! I feel so much younger today, maybe because I wrote much of the above two years ago already ^^

 

Oh and yeah, Hawke! Long live Hawke! You deserved to be in a slightly better game, but you are okay! At least you never bargained (means: stood there dumbly and listened) with a translucent little brat to end your story!

[Ascendra]

First, ME had a couple of good chars, but it also made a mistake to give us TOO MANY. This is ME2 greatest failure. So many peopel think its the best ME-Game, however its where things get awry for the franchise. And I am not talking gameplay here, only story. So many wasted opportunities. Collectors? What the ...? Allied with Cerberus ... what the? Instead of using the length of an entire friggin game to prepare the galaxy and find a way to stop the Reapers (and they ARE stoppable if written that way^^) we spend the game with endless side-quests to recruit an over-abundance of characters ... instead of simply using the ones from the prior game, elaborate their personalities and add only a couple more, not an entire army of them...

And that WAS a mistake that even Bioware acknowledged by ... reducing the majority of new chars to mere cameos in ME3...and just to make a new mistake to add even MORE new chars I never cared about...well, EDI has a body now, and that Latina-guy I even forgot the name. Too many characters for a seven-year-journey! Its like they had exchanged everyone around Luke Skywalker with every movie! (And I didn't even have all DLCs that added EVEN MORE chars!)

And yes, ME3 was rushed, but with the wasted Setup of ME2, what could have worked in ME3 to satisfy people anyway? Did anyone really consider THIS to be the epic ending to an otherwise rather epic ending? The ending to ME1 was great, the suicide-mission .. would have been greater if more meaningful. And everything on Earth in ME3 is stupid...yeah, talking with the Admiral while have-dead was emotional, but would have been stronger IF WE HAD ACCOMPLISHED SOMETHING BEORE!

I really liked Mass Effect, despite the yelling above. But nowadays, all I see when I look at it is: wasted opportunities all over. Maybe its EA, the change of writers, budget, I do not know. But I see the series going downhill storywise, losing focus with ME2, as if they had the story of a totally different game and slapped Mass Effect at it. Consistent trilogy? No, not really, all three parts never really match up. And what to expect if they want every game to be accessible even if you haven't played the previous ones? They even advertised ME3 with that...The perfect start into the trilogy...no words for that...

And this was the rant for the weekend! I feel so much younger today, amybe because I wrote much of the above two years ago already ^^

Oh and yeah, Hawke! Long live Hawke! You deserved to be in a slightly better game, but you are okay! At least you never bargained (means: stood there dumbly and listened) with a translucent little brat to end your story!

I very much agree with everything you've said.
I would prefer either one protagonist in all three games and the same people/companions around for character growth and proper development. It would have been hard to pull off to make it interesting, but ME would have been better for it. Or I would want a completely new protagonist with completely new companions.

As for Hawke - pretty much Vox Draco's previous post. Despite her failures in DA2 and my Hawke, like so many others' being a horrible leader I think she would have pulled Inquisition off, because she would be cornered. It would have been a great character growth for her. I do prefer races tbh, i love my elves more than any race and i was super happy to play them in Inquisition, but Hawke would fit Inquisition better imho, because personal reasons.
Besides, didnt Bioware mention before that Inquisition was supposed to feature Hawke, but then they scrapped the idea?

[TheJediSaint]

No, I wish the Exalted March expansion came out.  I prefer having a new player character with each new Dragon Age game.

[Heimdall]

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Can I give you more likes?

Thing is, on its own ME2 is a very fun game. Most of that large cast was very fun and their recruitment/loyalty missions really sold the game. But as the middle entry in a trilogy? It was a huge failure. The main plot was weak and barely relevant. I've been saying for awhile now that the Reaper War should have started in ME2, they should have arrived in the final third of the game. Forget the Collectors, the Suicide Mission should have been about finding some way to handicap them or find some advantage. ME3 could have picked up in the midst of the conflict. Even if some Mcguffin was necessary to save the day, it should have been something built up throughout the story, something Shepard spent his/her time searching for, perhaps as part of a plot exploring the origins of the Reapers (Not necessarily the origins we got in the end).

When I look at the ME trilogy, I think about how great it could have been if they actually put more effort into planning out the whole story-arc in advance.

I'm actually glad DA's stories, despite their connecting threads, are mostly standalone with new protagonists. I actually think they've struck a good balance with new and returning characters so far. Maybe Hawke was meant to be the Inquisitor, but I'm sort of glad he/she didn't.