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[Cat Fancy]

The Qunari aren't Muslims; they're communists.

Dude, you can't just declare people non-Muslims. What are you, ISIS?

[herkles]

*confused face* think weaves cause that prob the best explosian i saw...

Speaking of weaves i wonder what hair styles the rivaini have. Izzy had slight curls but were europeanish hmm

We haven't seen much concept art of Rivain yet. 

 

Rivain reminds me of Spain in the Middle Ages where the Islamic ( Qunaris in case) divide the edges. 

Well it kind of is meant to Dragon age takes insperation from the medieval world, but gives their own twists to it. 

 

 

I do wonder where would visit first Tevinter or Rivain, both are places I want to visit. The fact that Rivain is decidely not white, might make it interesting, and a good thing IMO.

[Cat Fancy]

Why not both in one game, like Inquisition?

 

I would like to visit Rivain first, but suspect we'll see Tevinter first. But hey, I wanna see Tevinter, too.

[raging_monkey]

We haven't seen much concept art of Rivain yet. 
 

Well it kind of is meant to Dragon age takes insperation from the medieval world, but gives their own twists to it. 
 
 
I do wonder where would visit first Tevinter or Rivain, both are places I want to visit. The fact that Rivain is decidely not white, might make it interesting, and a good thing IMO.

its dangerous territory jade empire(damn good game) had a whole non-white cast/setting and got some flak for it

[Former_Fiend]

Rivain's pretty high on the list of places I want to visit. Up there with Seheron. 

[herkles]

The thing that makes Rivain interesting for me is that it contains 3 societies in its borders.

 

The Qun

The Kingdom of Rivian; which is andrastian

and the local seer villages; which are pantheistic.

 

This makes it interesting location for a game, and I am hoping that either da4 or da5 can explore it in depth.

 

as for the Qun I always thought they were militant taoist/confucionist over communists.

[Milan92]

Hopefully Rivain will be one of the places we can visit in the next game.

[CreepingShadow]

The Qunari aren't Muslims; they're communists.

The best way to describe the Qun is as the unholy bastard child of the Ottoman Empire, and the Soviet Union.

 

Oh and Rivain is definitly Thedas' Spain. I mean other than the fact that the people are black......ish,  the parralels are striking and intentional. The Qunari (Moorish) conquest, the fights (Exalted March) to push the Qunari out by foreigners. The natives trapped in the middle, it's really all there.

[Dean_the_Young]

You're right and wrong. The Qun is damn close to communism. The Qunari in Thedas are analogous to the Moorish conquest of Eastern Europe and the Iberian Peninsula. 

 

Eh. The Qun's primary parallels to communism are the fact that it's heavily authoritarian and it assigns jobs. Otherwise, it's missing great big swarths of the communistic ideology, ranging from property to the conspiratorial-focused vanguard model to the anti-imperialism ideology to the whole focus on the proletarian prism of economics.

 

The historical analogy to the Moors is far stronger than parallels to 20th century communism.

[Colonelkillabee]

Dude, you can't just declare people non-Muslims. What are you, ISIS?

Dude, did you really just quote yourself?

[Cat Fancy]

Eh. The Qun's primary parallels to communism are the fact that it's heavily authoritarian and it assigns jobs. Otherwise, it's missing great big swarths of the communistic ideology, ranging from property to the conspiratorial-focused vanguard model to the anti-imperialism ideology to the whole focus on the proletarian prism of economics.

 

The historical analogy to the Moors is far stronger than parallels to 20th century communism.

I don't actually think the Qunari can't be both kinda like the Moors and kinda like communists. I just said that so I could make this classic, under-appreciated joke. Nevertheless, mere authoritarianism and job-assignment are far from the only important parallels the Qun/Qunari have to 20th century single-party socialist states or communists. (by all means, outline the differences between theoretical and practical socialism and communism, and how these only strengthen the Qunari/Moor analogy)(I mean, that might be interesting) There's a commitment to some form of communitarianism in both the Qun and communism. (you might say this exists in Islam, too, but I'd say the Qunari/communist parallel is stronger) There's also an emphasis on "equality" as opposed to individual freedom sprinkled throughout the lore. The Qunari practice state-atheism. There won't be any religious pluralism under Qunari rule, unlike Muslim Iberia. They run labor camps, too. 

 

While the Qun may not espouse vanguardism or anti-imperialism, (rather the opposite, actually) both it and communism are supposed to appeal to economically and politically disadvantaged racial minorities who then act (or are imagined to act) as fifth columns. Again, there were Muslim and Jewish Iberians who hid their faith due to persecution, (not that the Qunari are being persecuted in Rivain right now) I'd say the converts in that Codex entry are presented as more like secret communist spies. 

 

Actually, if you take Dorian on Bull's personal quest, he can even have a little argument with the elven Qunari who was born a Tevinter slave. He says something like, "Tevinter may not be perfect, but at least we recognize people as individuals!" or something like that, which is awfully silly, but serves to present Tevinter as some kind of liberal counterpart to the totalitarian Par Vollen. I'm not sure this kind of liberal/authoritarian comparison (regardless of whether or not it reflected reality) existed between Catholic Iberian nations and Muslim ones, or the Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire. Maybe it did, but it reminds me very much of Cold War discourse.

 

Of course, neither of these analogies are completely perfect. But the Qunari/communist analogy appeals to me because I find it more fun to imagine the Qunari as dour Marxist-Leninist-Koslunists than Moors.