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[Medhia_Nox]

@Astylith:  For myself DA:I was very strong in the following (spoilers will follow)

 

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- Characterization:

- I found Cassandra to be the break out character of the series. Walking up on her while she's reading, seeing her vulnerable. Seeing her frantic when she loses her cool on Varric because his choices "may" have cost the Divine her life. Her constant worrying about the organization she's moved into motion. I found her to be the single most realistic character I have ever seen portrayed in a video game.

- Then there are little experiences with character I felt were never present before in Bioware games. How Cassandra, Vivienne and Solas have a conversation about Cole that you get to join in on. Dorians experiences with his father. Coles experiences with the world around him. Bulls moment of showing you the impact you have on your troops.

- These characters were not my mindless followers. I loved that. They felt like people who didn't NEED me (like Shepard and Warden) but felt like I was the best tool for the job and maybe they'd come to like me. It was NOT a team of misfits. It was a team of specialists with their own lives outside of the "Will of the Herald".

- The Story:

- It was not the destination, but the journey that I found interesting. It boggles my mind that people say the game is "dead". I helped Gaspard stop the Freemen from causing havoc in the Exalted Plains. I put an end to the turmoil in the Hinterlands that would allow me forge an alliance with mages or templars. I rescued my men from Avvar barbarians in the Fallow Mire. I battled the aftermath of the red lyrium templars in Empris de Lion. This all has to do with the main story.

What it doesn't do... is FORCE you to stop these acts. You get to choose whether or not you're going to put another nail in Corypheus' coffin every time to battle the Venatori... stop the Freemen... beat down Red Templars... uncover ancient secrets... etc. etc. It is the exact opposite of railroading (which, despite the fact you can do them out of order - the entirety of linear cRPGs is railroaded)

- The War room. Talk about old school! Text based RPGing harkening back to the very beginning of cRPGs... and so many people hated it. I admit that it wasn't the strongest showing... but everything ties into your battle with Corypheus. Manipulating nobles... saving troops... stopping sabotage... story, story, story.

And it seems like the same people that hate "cinematic action games" also disliked the War Room which is the exact opposite. It is, despite it's shortcomings, the very essence of roleplaying.

- Choices have world shaping consequences. Stop the demon possessing wolves? No more possessed wolves in the Hinterlands. Destroy the mage hideout... no more mages in the Hinterlands. Set fire to the pits in Exalted Plains... no more undead and Gaspard's men take the ramparts.

It's as if, in DA:O you, for example... save the Soul Forge (name is escaping me) and you start seeing Golems in Orzammar and riots in Dustown (that's where the "canditates" would presumably be taken from) only... you don't see that. Nothing changes. Eamon should have been weaker if you kill his son... he's a heirless Arl... who could be shamed by having a mage/abomination son. Go to the Circle to save him... Connor should have trashed Redcliff to the ground leaving Eamon's people weak and angry. But nothing in DA:O changes in the world ever.

 

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I will continue later with what I think is vastly improved over DA:O.

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[Sidney]

@Astylith:  For myself DA:I was very strong in the following (
 
     - The War room.  Talk about old school!  Text based RPGing harkening back to the very beginning of cRPGs... and so many people hated it.  I admit that it wasn't the strongest showing... but everything ties into your battle with Corypheus.  Manipulating nobles... saving troops... stopping sabotage... story, story,
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I will continue later with what I think is vastly improved over DA:O.

I agree with a lot of what you said, especially about Cassandra but this I disagree with. I through the table was a let down. I wanted a table that required me to choose and the table didn't have much of that. Compare the strategic level in DAI with the same basic mechanisms. In XCOM you are juggling allies, making choices for short and long term gains and your choices can negatively affect your game. Heck, you can really only lose the game at the strategic level not than the tactical level. DAI didn't have that feel, it wasn't a game as much as a task list and the effect on my game from my decisions at the table wasn't very much felt.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Sidney:  I am not applauding it on what it could be.  I admit that it has a long way to go.

But the argument is not: "Is the War Table perfect."  it is "Where did I make tactical decisions of ANY kind in my battle to save Ferelden from the Blight?"

 

Having the War Table create X-com scenarios where you play your agents in top town tactics mode would... give me strange feelings I'd rather not talk about right now cause it would be embarrassing. 

But you have to admit - putting another game inside DA:I would have been a significant undertaking... this is part of the "Moving in the right direct"... let us see what the next installment holds for this type of gaming.  I can only hope that having another war room like scenario would create this very kind of thing... where you played agents on a "dungeon" and the level of success based on time, health, resources, etc. would alter the game.

[Natureguy85]

@Astylith:  For myself DA:I was very strong in the following (spoilers will follow)

 

 

This is the no-spoilers forum

[Medhia_Nox]

@Natureguy85:  Then report me and the mods can edit my posts - or you can contribute to the conversation.

[QueenOfTheDales]

In my opinion, Origins is still way better than Inquisition. I thought Inquisition was a great game, though.

Inquisitor- Totally felt like my character, just wasn't to attached to her. The introduction to the game seems so cool in thought, but when you actually see it play out, it's crap. I wish they would have done an introduction similar to DA:O.

Companions- I felt a little attached to some of my companions, I was definitely attached to Solas. I thought all the characters had great stories.

Story line- The story line was amazing, I loved it so much! It was way to short. I felt like it was 6 main quests and then it was over. The ending was amazing. The final battle felt dry, I finished it in all of 10 minutes, I actually counted. There wasn't much build up. The only choices that really mattered in the end was Orlais, except it didn't really change the game. 

Open World - Eh.... I'm iffy about it. I wish there was more places to go, like Denerim or Amaranthine. I wish there were more quests i areas like that or the Brecillian forest.

Combat- I actually like the combat. I didn't use the tactical system much though.

Skyhold- BLEH WTF. I SPENT SO MUCH TIME UPGRADING CRAPPY THINGS AND WASTING TIME AND IT DIDNT EVEN MATTER.

---------Okay now I don't see why we couldn't have seen a hero of Ferelden cameo if they are still alive. If they could do Hawke, they could do the warden. Seriously, just ask which personality you made your warden have in the keep, even if in DA:O your warden technically didn't have one.. And no Zevran? Does anyone even remember Oghren? Whatever happened to Sten becoming an Arishok, we only hear little about him. 

Now, DA:O had an amazing story development. Of course, it was made in 2009 so it seems kinda bad in 2014. I think one of the things missing in DA:I is a guided path. You're all over the place in DA:I. 

 

I don't think there should be a Dragon Age: Origins II because we already have a DA:O. I'm all for a 6th Blight in maybe the 5th installment of the story, like the plot in DA IV leads up to an archdemon awakening or something, but not a 6th Blight out of nowhere.

I think Bioware should start working on a Dragon Age Origins remastered. Not just DA:O with prettier graphics and better combat, a voice for the warden, better maps, more side quests, mounts that actually go faster than walking(unlike DAI), improve Character story archs, better romance scenes , Include remastered DLC with it, more dragons, you know something good. Not like The Last of Us Remastered. That's what I want to see.

[Natureguy85]

@Natureguy85:  Then report me and the mods can edit my posts - or you can contribute to the conversation.

 

I already have but it's easier when I can actually read posts without spoilers.

 

pdusen, on 16 Dec 2014 - 12:07 PM, said:

This thread reminds me of when I first started a new game of Origins. Daddy Cousland had just told me to go find Fergus, so I walk out of the room to look for him, only for the game to zoom all the way out into this weird overhead view that made the game look like I was playing with lincoln logs.

 

I immediately thought to myself, "This is stupid. Why would anyone want to play like this?" I zoomed back in and then proceeded to completely forget about that view, all the way until after I had finished DA2, when I came here and people were complaining that it was gone.

 

Of course, objectively speaking, I can now understand the value that people who want that kind of view see in it. I just feel no desire whatsoever to ever play a game that way. If Bioware didn't include it in DA4 I wouldn't miss it at all.

 

That's just the difference between the exploration and the combat. I agree that I wouldn't want to do my running around in the tac cam, but it was great for looking at a battlefield and issuing orders.

 

Limbs, on 18 Dec 2014 - 09:15 AM, said:

Bioware doesn't do stories well, especially not the third installment of any story. Any kind of ending they write is usually pretty horrible. I have no reason to believe or think otherwise in regards to this game.

 

 

Finally somebody else says this. I've been frustrated by people continuing to hold up Bioware's writing based on past performance despite the crap that has been their last three titles: Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age 2, and Mass Effect 3. To be fair, the characters were well written.It was the plots that were awful.

[AlanC9]

I didn't see what was really so wrong with ME2. Then again, I didn't see what was really so great about ME1 or DA:O. They all struck me as being more or less standard Bio product.

[Natureguy85]

I didn't see what was really so wrong with ME2. Then again, I didn't see what was really so great about ME1 or DA:O. They all struck me as being more or less standard Bio product.

 

The only gameplay issue I had was the thermal clips and their horrible excuse for why they exist. My issues were with the story. Shepard's death and the Normandy's destruction were made pointless by their immediate return. The Collector's ability to detect the Normandy in Stealth took away what made the Normandy special and the irrelevance of the Prothean visions and cypher took away what made Shepard special. We never get to see the "icon" status Miranda gives to Shepard. You get railroaded into joining Cerberus and can't argue. The game didn't advance the series' goal of defeating the Reapers. You learn very little about them and nothing on how to stop them or defeat them. There were a few, other, smaller issues, but those are the big ones.

 

ME and Origins were great adventure stories. These tend to be relatively simple in the sense that there is a clear villain and objective. Mass Effect gave a bit of mystery by changing the villain from Saren to Sovereign partway through. The story is mostly about the characters, but the plots make sense. Some complain that the Darkspawn were just generic monsters, and they are right, though I think the questions of their origins are very interesting. However, they are perfect enemies for that type of story.

[Deebo305]

Epilogue does make it seem like next game will be Warden focused so...we've come full circle people @_@

[ORTesc]

Epilogue does make it seem like next game will be Warden focused so...we've come full circle people @_@

 

The next game (if there is one) will probably be an mmo the way Bioware is going. I just wish the docs would open up a new studio.

[SkyKing]

I doubt Origins 2.0 will ever happen.

 

Especially if Inquisition sells well, which current information suggests that it is.

Sales will be much lower next time, all those who prepurchased on biowares lies. I think next launch pregame sales will be less than 1/2 what they were this time. 

[dreamgazer]

Sales will be much lower next time, all those who prepurchased on biowares lies. I think next launch pregame sales will be less than 1/2 what they were this time.

Uh-huh. Inquisition (now a GOTY winner) was released after DA2 and in the wake of ME3's overblown negativity towards the ending, and it's doing just fine.

[Nerevar-as]

Uh-huh. Inquisition (now a GOTY winner) was released after DA2 and in the wake of ME3's overblown negativity towards the ending, and it's doing just fine.

Is it? and if it is, fine enough for EA? I remember Gaider writing about how great DAII was doing when people pointed out it wasn´t performing that well compared to previous and other current titles. Cue cancelled expasion and DLCs. So I guess not doing so great for the higher-ups after all.

 

Ticking off squares from a marketing research study and ignoring everything else doesn´t usually get you good results. Most Skyrim players are waiting for ESVI, not for an imitator.

[dreamgazer]

Is it? and if it is, fine enough for EA? I remember Gaider writing about how great DAII was doing when people pointed out it wasn´t performing that well compared to previous and other current titles.

 
 
http://forum.bioware...nov/?p=18059466

Hi guys - obviously it's a drag not to see DAI on that top 10 list for November. I can't really give any figures of course...However, from what I know about the sales numbers (a) DAI is doing great and well ahead of it's predecessors, and a significant percentage of sales of DAI are digital and not tracked by NPD. If anything, I'm more worried about the weird signals this chart sends to the market about DAI, as opposed to the reality of our unit sales

[byeshoe]

I would like that. i would like that very much...
a dragonage orgins 2, but..sadly we'll never get that. for one the same people who were in the orgins crew are kinda long gone by now. two, bioware are'nt going back to the classic silent protagonist, three..it's EA. they'll put a time restrict on the next dragonage games so orgins 2 won't be as polished as the original. four, knock knock the old bioware are dust and the new bioware are in. they want to make console gamers their priorities first, pc second

you see? a orgins 2 will never happen so you have to just cherish the original

[Cyonan]

Sales will be much lower next time, all those who prepurchased on biowares lies. I think next launch pregame sales will be less than 1/2 what they were this time. 

 

People said the same thing about Inquisition not doing well because of Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

[Draining Dragon]

Forget Dragon Age, make Jade Empire 2 already.

[ORTesc]

Uh-huh. Inquisition (now a GOTY winner) was released after DA2 and in the wake of ME3's overblown negativity towards the ending, and it's doing just fine.

 

I'd hardly call it overblown or even negativity. But some people will defend anything this studio puts out.

[keyip]

People said the same thing about Inquisition not doing well because of Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 3.

 

The guy is probably one of those people who expects COD to start failing any minute now, due to the obviously negative opinions of the gaming public...

[dreamgazer]

I'd hardly call it overblown or even negativity. But some people will defend anything this studio puts out.

 

Well, gee, how do you separate those people from the ones that genuinely enjoy their experiences?

[Medhia_Nox]

@dreamgazer:  You don't.  If you liked DA:I... you're mindless sheeple who will defend everything bad just because you're a slave to Bioware.

 

Obviously.

[Cyonan]

The guy is probably one of those people who expects COD to start failing any minute now, due to the obviously negative opinions of the gaming public...

 

A lot of the people around here right now actually remind me of the posters on the World of Warcraft forums who insist that the game "died" 6+ years ago, and continue to insist that every single expansion or other MMO released is going to be the "final nail in the coffin" for the game.

[ORTesc]

@dreamgazer:  You don't.  If you liked DA:I... you're mindless sheeple who will defend everything bad just because you're a slave to Bioware.

 

Obviously.

 

I liked a lot about DA:I... I just think it also did a lot wrong. There are 2 sides to this coin. Just because I have issues with the game doesn't mean I absolutely hate it. I did put over 100 hours into the game. So no, people that enjoyed it aren't mindless slaves. Just as people that didn't enjoy it aren't trolls.