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[Fardreamer]

I'll start of by saying that I really enjoyed having Hawke return and make an appearance in Inquisition.  It was one of my favorite moments in the game when Varric said "Inquisitor, meet Hawke - Champion of Kirkwall."  It was really cool to fight along side one of the previous game's protagonists, and I really wish the Hero of Ferelden had been there as well.

 

But, Bioware completely failed to bring into account if you played Hawke as a Bloodmage or not (or if you were not a blood mage, but played as a character who supported it).  In Inquisition, Hawke chastises the Wardens and generally complains a lot of about blood magic... even if he was a blood mage himself! 

 

I didn't notice this the first time I played, because my "good" Hawke was a snarky rogue.  But my "evil" Hawke was an aggressive blood mage.

 

While they did a good job of keeping the diplomatic, sarcastic, or aggressive personalities... they screwed up big time by making Hawke default to being anti-blood magic.  It almost makes me wish he didn't show up at all because they did a half-assed job with him. 

 

In short, main-protagonist cameos are great, but make sure you invest the time a resources into getting them right!  It would have been easy to add a tile to the Keep to show whether Hawke supported Blood magic or not.

[NoForgiveness]

eh. he/she spend 7 years getting attacked by blood mages. Its not hard to imagine that would change ones point of view....

[cindercatz]

I agree seeing Hawke was one of the best moments in the game, and the Warden should've been there, and I agree they need to allow us to define our protagonists' stances on relevant issues (and personality/voice choices for the others) in the Keep. That way, a few alternate lines of dialogue would avoid any conflicts in the future, and hopefully they'll insert that dialogue in this game after updating the Keep (along with Warden dlc ). Hopefully.

[Kirikou]

It's been 4 years and Bioware did say that once the game is done the character is out of your hands. They just had Hawke develop a dislike for Blood Magic. It's totally possible.

[LostInReverie19]

I feel your pain, OP. My snarky Hawke was not the sort of person to go on harping about blood mages. It was very disappointing.

[HappyApathy553]

To be honest it's best to pretend the blood mage specialization for Hawke never existed in DA2, everyone else in the game already did.

[LostInReverie19]

It seemed like blood mages and blood magic were all Hawke cared to talk about anymore. Blood magic this, blood mages that...Blah blah, shut the eff up about it already.

[Fardreamer]

To be honest it's best to pretend the blood mage specialization for Hawke never existed in DA2, everyone else in the game already did.

 

That would be fine, but the DA2 trailer specifically showed Hawke using blood magic to defeat the Arishok... it's kinda /facepalm to hear Hawke complain about it in DA:I.

[Kirikou]

That would be fine, but the DA2 trailer specifically showed Hawke using blood magic to defeat the Arishok... it's kinda /facepalm to hear Hawke complain about it in DA:I.

Why? Hawke also complains about blood magic in DA2. "I'd love to go one week without fighting insane blood Mages, just one week!" And blood magic is a cause of A LOT of problems. Like his mother dying. That would give anyone a dislike of it, even if he uses it because it's useful.

You can dislike something and still use it.

[LordParbr]

I'll start of by saying that I really enjoyed having Hawke return and make an appearance in Inquisition.  It was one of my favorite moments in the game when Varric said "Inquisitor, meet Hawke - Champion of Kirkwall."  It was really cool to fight along side one of the previous game's protagonists, and I really wish the Hero of Ferelden had been there as well.

 

But, Bioware completely failed to bring into account if you played Hawke as a Bloodmage or not (or if you were not a blood mage, but played as a character who supported it).  In Inquisition, Hawke chastises the Wardens and generally complains a lot of about blood magic... even if he was a blood mage himself! 

 

I didn't notice this the first time I played, because my "good" Hawke was a snarky rogue.  But my "evil" Hawke was an aggressive blood mage.

 

While they did a good job of keeping the diplomatic, sarcastic, or aggressive personalities... they screwed up big time by making Hawke default to being anti-blood magic.  It almost makes me wish he didn't show up at all because they did a half-assed job with him. 

 

In short, main-protagonist cameos are great, but make sure you invest the time a resources into getting them right!  It would have been easy to add a tile to the Keep to show whether Hawke supported Blood magic or not.

It's a retcon. It never made sense for Hawke to be a blood mage, so Hawke was never a blood mage. That's also why your Inquisitor can't be a blood mage in this. They want the PC being a blood mage to actually matter in some way.

[AresKeith]

Why? Hawke also complains about blood magic in DA2. "I'd love to go one week without fighting insane blood Mages, just one week!" And blood magic is a cause of A LOT of problems. Like his mother dying. That would give anyone a dislike of it, even if he uses it because it's useful.

You can dislike something and still use it.

 

^ This, also Blood Mage Hawke also used blood magic differently than the other Blood mages we seen in the games 

[Hazegurl]

Blood mage is just a game play mechanic. Nothing more

[NoForgiveness]

It's a retcon. It never made sense for Hawke to be a blood mage, so Hawke was never a blood mage. That's also why your Inquisitor can't be a blood mage in this. They want the PC being a blood mage to actually matter in some way.

 

I wouldn't say a retcon really. Its really just one of the thing that got swept under the gameplay/story thingy.

 

 

Btw has anyone looked under there? its disgusting.
 

[Kirikou]

Huh, Hawke just said insane Mages. Well, point still stands.

[Ozzy]

Blood mage is just a game play mechanic. Nothing more

 

This is the long and short of it. I think the writes have even come out and said that the classes were all developed separately from the story and were created by a different team. There was no integration or the like. 

 

Whereas, DAI has companions actually react (if somewhat minimally) to your chosen specialisation. 

[Eggplant Hell Princess]

I imported an aggressive female Hawke and thought she was amazingly in character. I was genuinely surprised because I was expecting to hate her cameo. The world-weary mildly self-loathing dialogue was perfect.

[Aesir26]

Honestly, I thought my Hawke was perfectly in character.

 

I think it's sort of a "your mileage may vary" sort of thing.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I'm actually looking forward to playing this with my snarky blood mage Hawke, because she's going to be hilariously in character. She was like this pretty much all through DA2.

 

Hawke: Curse those foul blood mages!

 

... five minutes later ...

 

Hawke: Merrill, darling, those Templars are looking the other way now. Let's frolic with blood magic!

 

She even sided with Meredith and became Viscount. It was great.

[Father_Jerusalem]

I mean. Hawke has had first hand experience in just how terrible things can get when Blood Mages get out of control. Hawke's mother was killed by a blood mage. Orsino used blood magic to turn into a Harvester. Not to mention the numerous random blood mages you face in DA2.

 

That, combined with whatever Hawke has been up to in the four years since the end of DA2, make it perfectly fine for Hawke to hate blood magic. If your Hawke was a blood mage, the easy solution is that Hawke hates blood magic except when he/she is using it, because everyone else always fucks up.

[Kirikou]

If Merrill broke the mirror she gives up The blood magicks

[Sah291]

I thought Hawke was very in character for how I played him... though I never made him a blood mage. 

 

 But yeah, I suspect this is why they took blood magic specialization out of DAI...and it probably shouldn't have been in DA2 in the first place if it wasn't going to be acknowledged. 

[Daerog]

Interesting. I just guessed that Hawke was anti blood magic if you had Merril destroy the eluvian in the Keep... which I did in all my main playthroughs anyway...

 

Good that Hawke being anti-blood magic works for me, sorry that it doesn't seem to work for others.

[Snook]

Fit with me, anyway. Actually, it fit eerily well. My Hawke was a blood mage until Leandra died, and then I respecced, made him give it up, and had him hate on it whenever possible. 

 

I don't think it's that unreasonable to believe that any Hawke will develop a distaste for it.

[Vylix]

I can understand the feelings being defaulted that way after the whole incident with hawke's mother. What I can't understand is humorous Hawke's lack of sass. She buried everything under sarcasm, sass and her poor/morbid taste in humor.

Or was that just a headcannon? I can never remember....

[Sith Grey Warden]

Wasn't Hawke always anti-Blood Magix in DA2? I distinctly recall complaints about how you always had to react negatively to Merrill first showing that she's a blood mage. As such, Hawke is no more being taken from our control than in DA2.