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[JamieCOTC]

I kind of got the feeling that Hawke was supposed to be another NPC, but that stuck him/her in for reasons. Even though my mage Hawke hated blood magic, she was still out of character w/ the hostility. BW stated quite a while back that Hawke and HoF were their characters now, we would never play them again, and that they would try to remain respectful of choices. Given that LadyHawke looked nothing like her default from DA2 and in general Hawke was out of character for so many ... maybe they forgot.

 

BW loves to over correct. Instead of getting it right, I have a feeling we will never see another player character from a past game in DA again.

[Fardreamer]

Blood mage is just a game play mechanic. Nothing more

 

Not really.  Even without the class tree, you could support Merrill's blood magic.  You could cut deals with demons.  You could read the forbidden tomes.  There was a whole side of the game that allowed you to support blood magic.

 

 

 

 

BW loves to over correct. Instead of getting it right, I have a feeling we will never see another player character from a past game in DA again.

 

I fear this as well.  I don't want them to stop doing main character cameos.  I just want them to do it better.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

^ This, also Blood Mage Hawke also used blood magic differently than the other Blood mages we seen in the games 

 

This. Hawke used it only as a tool, not a crutch.

 

Only issue I had with Hawke's characterization is that he/she was too preachy for some strange reason.

[Enrychan]

Fortunately I imported a Hawke that didn't "hate" blood magic, but didn't practice it either. I wanted to import another Hawke who was a blood mage, 100% committed to his choice and 0% interested in what people say about blood magic. That would have been kind of awkward.

[KaiserShep]

Why? Hawke also complains about blood magic in DA2. "I'd love to go one week without fighting insane blood Mages, just one week!" And blood magic is a cause of A LOT of problems. Like his mother dying. That would give anyone a dislike of it, even if he uses it because it's useful.

You can dislike something and still use it.

 

Actually, Hawke says that she'd like to go one week without fighting an insane mage, but doesn't specifically say blood magic if you pick the middle option. The only one in the party that mentions blood magic after Huon kills his wife is Anders, provided he's there when it happens. He'll say "What is it with elves and blood magic?" lol

[Kirikou]

Actually, Hawke says that she'd like to go one week without fighting an insane mage, but doesn't specifically say blood magic if you pick the middle option. The only one in the party that mentions blood magic after Huon kills his wife is Anders, provided he's there when it happens. He'll say "What is it with elves and blood magic?" lol

*Looks at post number 14, looks back at Kaiser* ಠ_ಠ

[errantknight]

I never liked the blood magic option. It didn't make sense that no one notices and it really didn't make sense that you could make anti blood magic companions use it

[KaiserShep]

*Looks at post number 14, looks back at Kaiser* ಠ_ಠ

 

Bah! Oh well, that's what I get for skimming.

[Rainbow Wyvern]

The anti-blood magic rant was pretty much the only thing I liked about Hawke's cameo. It's totally what she would have said/done. 

 

Everything else, though? Nope. Think someone hit my sarcastic/diplo Hawke over the head with the angry stick. 

[KaiserShep]

I never liked the blood magic option. It didn't make sense that no one notices and it really didn't make sense that you could make anti blood magic companions use it

Simply being a mage is tricky for DA2's story. We get some explanation from Meredith and such, but that doesn't account for the prologue. Hawke and/or Bethany clearly cast spells in the Gallows courtyard to fight those ornery guys that were trying to get into the city.

[Ladyinsanity]

Hawke's mother died because of a blood mage. Hawke's father was forced into using blood magic to secure Corypheus, and Hawke had to use blood magic to unseal Corypheus AND kill him. But Hawke failed and feels that that failure is their responsibility. 

 

In addition to the number of times Hawke said about "insane mages" (and even Meredith called out how Hawke's mother died to blood magic as some compelling bait to get her to side with the templars), and Orsino using blood magic at the end and turning on everyone, as well as Anders blowing up the chantry...

 

Oh god, do I have to go further?

 

Blood magic kinda sucks. I'm not surprised Hawke's sick of it.

[Fardreamer]

Hawke's mother died because of a blood mage. Hawke's father was forced into using blood magic to secure Corypheus, and Hawke had to use blood magic to unseal Corypheus AND kill him. But Hawke failed and feels that that failure is their responsibility. 
 
In addition to the number of times Hawke said about "insane mages" (and even Meredith called out how Hawke's mother died to blood magic as some compelling bait to get her to side with the templars), and Orsino using blood magic at the end and turning on everyone, as well as Anders blowing up the chantry...
 
Oh god, do I have to go further?
 
Blood magic kinda sucks. I'm not surprised Hawke's sick of it.

Orr, all those things could have showed him how powerful it is, and made him want more of it. Your head canon doesn't change the facts of how people intentionally played the game. Furthermore, my Hawke approved of Anders blowing up the Chantry and of Merrills dealings with demons.

[Enrychan]

When Merrill uses blood magic for the first time, both the aggressive and the sarcastic dialogue options express disapproval, but the diplomatic option does not. If you choose the diplomatic option, Hawke agrees on the fact that "the spirit helped". Of corse, in this case you get rivalry points both from Anders and Fenris. From Aveline too, if I recall correctly.

About Quentin, my Damien Hawke (the blood mage) didn't think it was blood magic that "made him kill" Leandra, but the fact that he was mentally ill. It's all about your personal perspective, really. There is no "correct way" to roleplay.

[Ladyinsanity]

Orr, all those things could have showed him how powerful it is, and made him want more of it. Your head canon doesn't change the facts of how people intentionally played the game. Furthermore, my Hawke approved of Anders blowing up the Chantry and of Merrills dealings with demons.

 

You can't avoid Meredith talking about Hawke's mother. Every reaction is negative (diplomatic, aggressive, even sarcastic calls it a low blow). Hawke's father being forced to use blood magic is a fact. Leandra dying because of (all the events started by one) blood mage is unavoidable. These aren't head canon. They're fixed into the narrative. All players will engage with these. Two of the closest people to Hawke were subject to other people using blood magic. Sure, people have different decisions on their playthrough. But these are examples alone can contribute to Hawke despising blood magic.

[Ascendra]

I was happy initially to see Hawke but after the cameo I'd rather not see her. She was not mine, too hostile for my Hawke.
What also bugged me is her failure to use any spell. She just used the staff and thats it. I know Hawke can be any subclass, but girl, you are not going to go far with that staff only. Could have at least given her basic spells whose equivalents are present in DA:I, like Immolate and Winter's grasp.

[sylvanaerie]

My Hawke was spot on in character since I dislike blood magic anyway.  Considering the glut of blood mages in Kirkwall and all the trouble they caused--Meredith isn't completely wrong in insisting they permeate the circle--the death of Hawke's mother from a whackadoo blood mage necromancer being perhaps the most personal loss to the practice, it's understandable after several years that she hates the practice.

 

You can always head canon her objection isn't so much to blood magic itself but the insanity that comes with it.  Every single blood mage we meet in Kirkwall is whackadoo (to some degree).  Yes, even Merrill, who is perhaps the mildest example, but by her actions caused the release of a demon, and potentially the deaths of her clan mates, the very people she was trying to help.  All for a stupid mirror she had no freaking clue what it did.  For all she knew, it opened up the Fade and was broken/corrupted for a reason.

 

Now, if you like blood magic, and RPed your Hawke likes blood magic you can go two ways with this to make head canon work.  Either he/she is trying to throw off the Inquisitor by insisting "blood magic bad" but just playing convincing actress.  Or that he/she hates the abuse of the practice, feeling he/she's the only one who uses it 'right' and everyone else who does is freaking insane.  His father's seals were done with blood magic and demons, and Hawke has to undo them just to get out of Corypheus' prison.  And the fight at the end, completely meaningless since Cory escapes anyway.

 

Even if Hawke is a blood mage, I can see several years having an affect on her feelings on the matter.

[Aurok]

Mine had his balls cut off somewhere between DA2 and Inquisition. No wonder Isabela left him.

[TheJediSaint]

Well, my Hawke pretty in-character.

[Massadonious1]

Blood mages that you have to kill or otherwise deal with in Dragon Age 2:

 

Danarius, Decimus, Gascard DuPuis, Grace, Hadriana, Idunna, Lady Harriman, Quentin, Tarahone. I'm sure there are more that I missed, including Orsino's eventual turn, and Merrill, if you wanted to be hostile towards her.

 

Yeah, totally out of character.

[ReadingRambo220]

Blood magic was so fun to play in DAO and DA 2! Hawke needs to lighten up.

My characters only used the blood of themselves or enemies, never innocents. Unless there wasn't any other blood available, then just a little bit of innocents. Or a lot, depending on the circumstances. But usually not all the time.

[CrazyRah]

Was rather concerned on how OOC my Hawke would be in DAI and Bioware nailed mine far better than I anticipated. Time has moved on and Bioware did add a bit of their own to Hawke after we had a chance to play around with Hawke. Sucks but not something that really surprise me

[Fardreamer]

You can't avoid Meredith talking about Hawke's mother. Every reaction is negative (diplomatic, aggressive, even sarcastic calls it a low blow). Hawke's father being forced to use blood magic is a fact. Leandra dying because of (all the events started by one) blood mage is unavoidable. These aren't head canon. They're fixed into the narrative. All players will engage with these. Two of the closest people to Hawke were subject to other people using blood magic. Sure, people have different decisions on their playthrough. But these are examples alone can contribute to Hawke despising blood magic.

You really don't seem to know what you're talking about. All your references to Hawkes father prove that. Hawke had nothing against blood magic if you chose to play him that way. You need to replay the game because you clearly have mo idea.

[Fardreamer]

Blood mages that you have to kill or otherwise deal with in Dragon Age 2:

Danarius, Decimus, Gascard DuPuis, Grace, Hadriana, Idunna, Lady Harriman, Quentin, Tarahone. I'm sure there are more that I missed, including Orsino's eventual turn, and Merrill, if you wanted to be hostile towards her.

Yeah, totally out of character.

Actually you could ally with some of those or at least cut a deal. And why do you assume just because someone is a blood mage they have to be friends with other blood mages?

I kill warriors on my warrior. Does that mean i hate all warriors?

[renfrees]

I honestly don't know why they felt the need to bring up the topic of blood magic all of a sudden in a game, that in general managed to avoid it altogether (e.g. we never see Corypheus or Calpernia using it, and Alexius' dabbling gets skimmed over with time-travel plot.) Hawke could have harped about demon summonings or sacrifices, even hot desert weather; and it wouldn't have changed the perception of the character nor storyline. Why blood magic's concept, when it was a legitimate specialization in previous games?