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[Mr.House]

My Hawke was in-character, that's all I care about.

[RaineXIII]

I have to agree, I know he's been out on the run and a lot of bad stuff has happened to him but he also just sounded too depressed, almost suicidal when you first meet him. I was expecting to meet the Champion and have him inspire me, not act all depressed because Skyhold has a nice view.

[Milan92]

They should have never made blood mage a spec to begin.

 

So no, I don't have a problem with Hawke hatin on dem blood mages.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Well Hawkes mum was killed by one and there was a whole lot of messed uo shite going on. 

[Akrabra]

I disagree, Hawke was in character and didn't have to much screentime to take away focus from what was happening.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I was admittedly kind of disappointed my Hawke lost some of the snark, but in retrospect I'm actually okay with that. Would have liked some more classic sarcastic Hawke moments, but I guess they changed over the years. 

[Mr.House]

I have to agree, I know he's been out on the run and a lot of bad stuff has happened to him but he also just sounded too depressed, almost suicidal when you first meet him. I was expecting to meet the Champion and have him inspire me, not act all depressed because Skyhold has a nice view.

She released Cory, she failed to protect Kirkwall,  Varric, Bertrand  and her are the reason red lyruim was found. It makes sense that Hawke is very battered in DAI.

[Mr.House]

I was admittedly kind of disappointed my Hawke lost some of the snark, but in retrospect I'm actually okay with that. Would have liked some more classic sarcastic Hawke moments, but I guess they changed over the years. 

My Hawke seemed to still make jokes, she was just weathered and battered after all this sit she has went through.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

My Hawke seemed to still make jokes, she was just weathered and battered after all this sit she has went through.

 

Mine only really started to during Adamant. Before that he was pretty serious, other than the tinge of 'I'm so done with this sh*t.' that sarcastic Hawke usually had. :S

 

Did like the sarcastic Hawke reaction to the nightmare taunting them, though. "Well, that's going to get tiresome fast..." 

[Danadenassis]

A soldier with a machine-pistol can hate what another soldier with machine-pistol did, despite also being a soldier with a machine-pistol.

 

Though, perhaps it was not very much room for philosophical debates and deeper understandings with the visit by Hawke?

 

I remember it as DA2 having less such conversations than DAO and DA:I, might be I've just forgotten about it.

[Massadonious1]

Actually you could ally with some of those or at least cut a deal. And why do you assume just because someone is a blood mage they have to be friends with other blood mages?

I kill warriors on my warrior. Does that mean i hate all warriors?

 

Of course not, however, it does mean you've had more exposure to them, fighting or otherwise, and if some of them killed a revered religious figure or used their warrior abilities to summon demon armies, you might just be more sensitive towards their own dealings.

 

And none of them had to know each other or be in one special clique for Hawke to encounter and experience the dangers they posed.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

sorry but to adress the last part of the title.

Bioware dosnt HAVE to do anything but congratulate them selves for makeing a feking awesome game. 

[littlebrightpanda]

My Hawke was in character, all the way through. Didn't like Blood magic (told Merril it's not a good idea), complained about blood magic in DA2, especially because of the **** going down with his mom, and killed or tried to reform every blood mage out there (my Hawke was a rogue). Even the sarcasm was there, I recall that in the first conversation between Hawke and the Inquisitor they joked about Hawke being an expert in Qunari invasions and how he didn't know that much about Corypheus. 

 

I don't know how non-sarcastic Hawke's play out in DA:I, so I don't know whether they are out of character. But Hawke complaining about Blood Mages was no surprise to me after the mom-stuff and Orsino. And not liking the Grey Wardens...well, that goes along with the whole no-Blood Magic, Demons are no good stuff. 

[robertthebard]

Blood mages aren't some unified force. They don't all share hopes, dreams, desires, or goals. Blood mages are as different from each other as mundane hunters or farmers.
 
If not for the Circle system of mage oppression there wouldn't have been a war between Templars and ex Circle mages in the first place. The root cause is not blood mages using blood magic but people screwing other people over out of fear and ignorance. Mages need to learn how to control their power and contribute to society. However they do not need to be locked up which is what the Chantry advocates and it's what has lead to the war. Blood magic should be taught so that it can be better understood. With more knowledge comes more effective ways of using it and fighting against it.
 
Just because i'm okay with blood magic doesn't mean that I would choose to it use at every given opportunity. Isolde volunteered for that sacrifice btw. Eamon can get as mad as he wants. It won't change the fact that it was her choice. No one forced her.
 
Jowan had the problems he had because of the oppressive Circle system. Tranquility is wrong and so is the Harrowing. Jowan wanted to escape these things and so would anyone in their right mind.
 
Redcliffe happened because Connor wasn't properly trained. However, even with training bad things can still happen. In a case like that a Templar force made up of mages and mundanes should be called in to handle it. Magic and mages aren't going away and these sorts of things are bound to happen. Dealing with it in a way that doesn't antagonize the mundanes or the mages is the most sensible approach. Otherwise the conflict will never end.

Did you play the Broken Circle mission at all? Hey, one blood mage wanted to surrender, after you whipped her friend's asses and almost hers. The rest of them were pretty much out to get you. Uldred proposed a plan, and they enacted the plan, that's a pretty unified force. The crap in Kirkwall? Sort of a mixed bag, wasn't it? You had caves with them in it, that did act as a group, and lots of solo artists. The problem is, how many "good" blood mages were there? Hawke, maybe? Merrill? Pretty much means the rest of them "weren't good", right? So, if I'm going to take law of averages into consideration, blood magic == bad, since the majority of blood mages I've run into wanted to kill me.

[Vormaerin]

My Hawke seemed to still make jokes, she was just weathered and battered after all this sit she has went through.

 

Much like Varric, actually.  He's still sarcastic and witty, but there's an underlying grimness to him that wasn't in DA2. 

 

I was fine with my Hawke, seemed like she made some snarky remarks and was generally effective.  I seem to recall her anti blood magic line starting off with something like "Oh, its not really blood magic until you start sacrificing people."    Which is clearly what the Wardens were doing.

 

EVERYONE (except the Dwarves) in Thedas uses blood magic.  The Templars use it.  The Church uses it.  Mages use it.  Elves use it.  As Dorian says, its not that big a deal when its your own blood.  Which is how Hawke used it.   But the Wardens were sacrificing other people.  Including that elf girl who asks you if she should join up to help fight evil, if you encourage her.

 

You can be nitpicky and say Hawke should be complaining about human sacrifice then, but human sacrifice is what most people mean when they say "blood mage."

[cronshaw]

They did get it right

[robertthebard]

Much like Varric, actually.  He's still sarcastic and witty, but there's an underlying grimness to him that wasn't in DA2. 
 
I was fine with my Hawke, seemed like she made some snarky remarks and was generally effective.  I seem to recall her anti blood magic line starting off with something like "Oh, its not really blood magic until you start sacrificing people."    Which is clearly what the Wardens were doing.
 
EVERYONE (except the Dwarves) in Thedas uses blood magic.  The Templars use it.  The Church uses it.  Mages use it.  Elves use it.  As Dorian says, its not that big a deal when its your own blood.  Which is how Hawke used it.   But the Wardens were sacrificing other people.  Including that elf girl who asks you if she should join up to help fight evil, if you encourage her.
 
You can be nitpicky and say Hawke should be complaining about human sacrifice then, but human sacrifice is what most people mean when they say "blood mage."

Salute

Oops, wrong thread.

[Bann Duncan]

And the fanboys will ensure that we never see Hawke or the Warden again, just like they killed DA2's expansion and all the other things they do.

 

At least no one is crying "BDF".

[robertthebard]

And the fanboys will ensure that we never see Hawke or the Warden again, just like they killed DA2's expansion and all the other things they do.
 
At least no one is crying "BDF".

Just how do you attribute that to fanboys? It would seem to me that fanboys would be all over trying to get them back, not blocking them.

[The Spanish Inquisitor]

I really loved the Hawke's cameo, Yes I would not have said everything he said but it was really nice to see him.
They even let you customize it and make your hawke again, and yet many are complaining that it doesnt look the same, well yes new Engine.
 

But what I really want to say to all is that how many games out there let you import your decisions to their sequels? how many other franchises are there like 
Mass Effect trilogy or Dragon Age where your choices resonate throughout. We should appreciate what Bioware tried to do even if they didn't do it perfectly.
BSN is always trying to teach Bioware how to make game, my fear is Bioware see all this rage generated from something so minor and never give us 
THE WARDEN CAMEO or DLC or whatever. Let us please appreciate Bioware's effort and not tell how every single minor details about your character not make into the cameo. It was well handled , Nobody is saying it was perfect.

[Vikarus]

I completely agree. It was very immersion breaking for me. Kind of depressing to see how many people are so eager to put down everyone who played as a blood mage, or someone who supported the use of blood magic as a tool. Yes, your Hawke might have been in character, but the fact of the matter is DA:2 allowed for the PC to play as someone who was in favor of blood magic. You were allowed to utilize it, deal with demons, and specifically say that men, not mages, not blood mages, were at fault for the horrible events of the game.

There's not wrong with constructive criticism. No one, not even Bioware, is perfect. There's no reason to attack people who want to see the game improve (because it can improve) or people who want to see their choices validated. That's what these games are about: choice. Of course people are going to be disappointed when a choice they made isn't respected.

[Bann Duncan]

Just how do you attribute that to fanboys? It would seem to me that fanboys would be all over trying to get them back, not blocking them.

 

By fanboys I mean the self proclaimed "true fans" who hate every BioWare game in the name of "true RPGs".

[Treacherous J Slither]

Did you play the Broken Circle mission at all? Hey, one blood mage wanted to surrender, after you whipped her friend's asses and almost hers. The rest of them were pretty much out to get you. Uldred proposed a plan, and they enacted the plan, that's a pretty unified force. The crap in Kirkwall? Sort of a mixed bag, wasn't it? You had caves with them in it, that did act as a group, and lots of solo artists. The problem is, how many "good" blood mages were there? Hawke, maybe? Merrill? Pretty much means the rest of them "weren't good", right? So, if I'm going to take law of averages into consideration, blood magic == bad, since the majority of blood mages I've run into wanted to kill me.

 

Uldreds group and Graces group were two separate groups that had no knowledge of each others existence. Obviously. You're just messing with me now aren't you?

 

We have no idea how many good blood mages exist because they wouldn't try to make their presence known since being one is punishable by death. Any random npc could very well be an incognito blood mage. Any good mage you meet could also be a blood mage and are simply hiding it for fear of being discovered.

[Rake451]

She released Cory, she failed to protect Kirkwall,  Varric, Bertrand  and her are the reason red lyruim was found. It makes sense that Hawke is very battered in DAI.

There's also the numerous horrific things Hawke got to witness in Kirkwall.  The cults, the worst sides of mages and Templars, the mother-killing murderers, the brutal games, the horrific demons, and the uncountable corpses left in his/her wake.Not to mention all the **** he/she. went through for his/her friends, family, and loved ones, only to be completely separated from them during the Inquisition.  Hawke has every reason to be feeling a little low during this game.

[katokires]

It is ridiculous to not be satanic and blasphemous! Blood magic and demons are a need... Specially as the leader of Inquisition we should be able to become gods and destroy the whole Thedas, it is the least... but Bioware is so lawful good it hurts