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[Shelled]

I don't care what promises are made next time, this was it for me. Not going near ME4 either, unless somebody pays me to play it and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[Ashen Nedra]

Wrong again mate. Quite old, in fact, plus kids. But thanks for the compliment! In case you didn't know, many peoples actually call other people friendly nicknames. Mate is one of them, Australian mainly, but you'll hear it from the Brits too... bloke, dude, chick, chickadee, birdie, flower, you name it, lots of things. Now, thing is this: Do you WANT to feel offended, like that other bloke up there, by something that wasn't intended offensively, or not? The choice is yours. Be that as it may, the intent doesn't change, regardless. Moreover, maybe it is I that should be feeling insulted by people jumping their effing guns all around and making assumptions about me and about what I said, that we are both rotten and mal-intended. Right mate? Not that I will, but maybe I should. Food for thought.

 

I think that's it, you old chickaboo you ...for some people being offended is a rare treat, like the very nectar of life cooling down their much-chaffed throats.

 

Used to mostly concern female church going people before these last few years...Today...

[Meave]

^^

and here I thought we could try to start a normal, non hostile conversation.. My friend, Bioware is trying to make all groups feel represented. If we want to argue numbers, hetero males had 2 options from DAO, DA2, and in this game. The tropes to me, were too similar so it felt like we got the short end of the stick but you'll hear a lot of hetero dudes who did not have problems with the choices they had in the game. I'm just one of the salty few that wanted 'more' from Cassandra, and too much more from Josephine. 

 

I don't think it's fair simply say to the lgbt crowd, "it's not representative" because it becomes a question of entitlement/greed, reality? When I argue, I don't like reality, I like the fantasy universe, I need to be consistent about it. So if I want my unrealistic boob demons (desire demons), I need to also accept there might be naked dudes with big dicks out too (maybe in da4), because it doesn't exactly happen in reality. Bioware is one of the few game companies that tries to make everyone feel included.

 

Also lets try not to go into the "it's not normal" route in general. You'll find it actually is, and with media today, and progressive times, more feel like they don't have to hide as much as they did back then.

 

no need to get defensive...

I don't know why Bioware didn't make all romance able characters bisexual. It wouldn't bother anyone and you still can flirt with all of them as it is, so the difference for programming is insignificant. They blew the romance part of the game anyway and I miss characters like Isabella, Morighan or Merril they have interesting "personalities". Sera is acting like a teenager, Lelliana and Cassandra are unavailable for my heroine and Josephine is shy, weird and full noble born nonsense.

[Heathen Oxman]

that's interesting point of sarcastic view, but you're forgetting that officially there is only 4% of homosexual people therefor heterosexual relationships are the normal (derivated from the word norm) behavior since 96% of population are having them. Nobody is forcing anything upon you, or do you hate everyone who has their own children cos you look at them and have to think how they had heterosexual intercourse?

 

Nope, sorry.

 

No one's "forcing" LGTBQ issues on you, either.  The fact that gay/trans people exist and have issues relating to their gender/sexuality in exactly the same way as heterosexual people do is simply acknowledging reality.  Dorian's sidequest isn't "shoving gayness" down anyone's throats anymore than Oghren's sidequest was "shoving straightness" down anyone's throat in DAO.

 

Being "normal" doesn't entitle anyone to special privileges or require that game devs pander to their sensibilities.  Statistically speaking, most people date within their own race; therefore, interracial relationships aren't "normal" either, but I don't hear anyone complaining when interracial couples talk about their relationships, or discuss issues that arise specifically due to being an interracial pair.  Honestly, the whole, "It's okay to be gay/trans as long as you shut-up about it," thing is laughable.

 

I'm asexual.  Heterosexuals are constantly bringing up their sexuality and issues related to it because, surprise, sexual orientation is actually a pretty big part of life and it affects how you exist in the world.  Ditto for gay people.  Seriously, BW has always featured gay characters and has made no secret of the fact that they're trying to be inclusive, and, if you have issues with having to look at gay people and being made aware that their sexuality affects their life in exactly the same way sexuality affects the lives of heterosexuals, I'd suggest moving on to one of the majority of game studios that pander to straights.

 

Seesh.

[BioWareMod03]

Hi everyone. Allan has been clear that we are not playing the pronoun game. Please do not derail the thread with it.

[Teddie Sage]

The pronoun name... what do  you mean by that? That people keep misgendering Krem as a female? I'm seriously confused right now.

[Grieving Natashina]

The pronoun name... what do  you mean by that? That people keep misgendering Krem as a female? I'm seriously confused right now.

You've got it right.  It's folks misgendering Krem that Allan refers to as the "Pronoun Game."

[Teddie Sage]

There's so much transphobia going on, BioWare already confirmed that Krem is a transman and yet some people persist to say that he's a woman pretending to be a man. Those people need to understand that they're just spreading even more hatred and they're not helping themselves if they refuse to acknowledge the existence of other sexual identities and sexual orientations. BioWare games now have many of those characters representing minorities and if bigoted people can't understand that, then BioWare should show them the exit door. Intolerance in our community is what is breaking BSN. People are so entitled to their own personal little world that that some of them would rather stomp on the others if they don't agree with their ideals. 

[Dread-Reaper]

There's so much transphobia going on, BioWare already confirmed that Krem is a transman and yet some people persist to say that he's a woman pretending to be a man. Those people need to understand that they're just spreading even more hatred and they're not helping themselves if they refuse to acknowledge the existence of other sexual identities and sexual orientations. BioWare games now have many of those characters representing minorities and if bigoted people can't understand that, then BioWare should show them the exit door. Intolerance in our community is what is breaking BSN. People are so entitled to their own personal little world that that some of them would rather stomp on the others if they don't agree with their ideals. 

Isn't that what some people are doing now when people use the wrong pronoun for Krem?

[durengo]

I don't know why Bioware didn't make all romance able characters bisexual. It wouldn't bother anyone and you still can flirt with all of them as it is, so the difference for programming is insignificant.

maybe because dai isn't a sex game ???

anyway why should them all bisexual?

 

dai it's not about  to celebrate an orgy with everyone.

it's not like: today i take sera .. and tomorrow i sleep with cullen....hmm next week i will have sex with the iron bull...

and into one hour i meet cassandra...few minutes remain to me... blackwall iam coming....

if i make hurry then i can meet dorian too to enjoy his body.

 

it's interesting how many player cares about the sexuality from all characters.

[Meave]

Nope, sorry.

 

No one's "forcing" LGTBQ issues on you, either.  The fact that gay/trans people exist and have issues relating to their gender/sexuality in exactly the same way as heterosexual people do is simply acknowledging reality.  Dorian's sidequest isn't "shoving gayness" down anyone's throats anymore than Oghren's sidequest was "shoving straightness" down anyone's throat in DAO.

 

are you seriously comparing race to gender?

 

asexual? you mean frigid?

[Teddie Sage]

Isn't that what some people are doing now when people use the wrong pronoun for Krem?

Mostly because they need to be corrected. If you don't like being corrected, educate yourself first.

[Teddie Sage]

are you seriously comparing race to gender?

 

asexual? you mean frigid?

Asexual means you aren't interested in sexual intercourse with anyone. This doesn't mean you can't love romantically though.

[Meave]

maybe because dai isn't a sex game ???

anyway why should them all bisexual?

 

dai it's not about  to celebrate an orgy with everyone.

it's not like: today i take sera .. and tomorrow i sleep with cullen....hmm next week i will have sex with the iron bull...

and into one hour i meet cassandra...

 

it's interesting how many player cares about the sexuality from all characters.

 

you play thru the game for 100+ hours, romance cutscenes takes together +-2minutes, that's hardly a definition for a sex game...

if all characters were bisexual, everyone would romance whoever they want and it would make everyone happy. So why is it a bad idea?

[Meave]

Asexual means you aren't interested in sexual intercourse with anyone. This doesn't mean you can't love romantically though.

 

that's what frigid means...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

::theatrical, "Connor-controlling-Teagan" voice:: Because surely no-o-o-o-o-o-o-obody has ever shoved anything heterosexual down our throats! N-o-o-o-o-o-o! NEVER-R-R!

 

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I wonder where the OP was for these characters so that he/she could scream: "WE GET IT! YOU'RE HERE TO TITILLATE A BUNCHA DUDES ON THEIR COUCHES!" I am willing to bet money this was never screamed/posted to a forum/whined about.

To be fair, characters being sexualized isn't necessarily geared toward a single orientation. For example the examples you provide can be aesthetically pleasing to bisexual men, bisexual women, heterosexual men, homosexual women, pansexual men, pansexual women, etc. That is pretty across the board. 

[Meave]

There's so much transphobia going on, BioWare already confirmed that Krem is a transman and yet some people persist to say that he's a woman pretending to be a man. Those people need to understand that they're just spreading even more hatred and they're not helping themselves if they refuse to acknowledge the existence of other sexual identities and sexual orientations. BioWare games now have many of those characters representing minorities and if bigoted people can't understand that, then BioWare should show them the exit door. Intolerance in our community is what is breaking BSN. People are so entitled to their own personal little world that that some of them would rather stomp on the others if they don't agree with their ideals. 

 

those people are correct. Krem is a woman and if you meet her you're entitled to address her as a female without being impolite in any way. After she tells you that she desire to be addressed as a male well that's up to you... DA have no SRS not even magical way so she still is a woman regardless of how she feels about that.

[Heathen Oxman]

are you seriously comparing race to gender?

 

asexual? you mean frigid?

 

1. Yes.

 

2. No, I mean asexual.

[Teddie Sage]

that's what frigid means...

Not in my book. Asexuals probably don't like being called that either as much as gays and lesbians don't like the f-word and the d-word. Asexuals aren't frigid, they're just not interested in sex. That doesn't mean they can't love back.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

that's what frigid means...

That term used in that context is considered by many as offensive. 

[BioWareMod03]

This thread has run its course. We are done here.