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[Jimbo_Gee79]

Why does someones sexuality bother you?  Does the birth canal bother you as well?  You're playing a game that has a history of brothels,  blood magic, violence and different sexual orientations in the past, why act surprised?   Where is the line that must be drawn and why should it be drawn according to your beliefs?  

 

Should the game ask you at the beginning if you're straight as to NOT offend you by removing all those intrusive LGBT topics?  Someones sexual orientation then is offensive on a personal level but a game talking about someone who murdered people...  that is unobjectionable? 

 

I despise agendas as much as the next person and I have felt at times that Bioware beats the LGBT drum frequently but your argument, if you can call it that, is mostly out of hatred and ignorance than with a critical perspective.

Here we go here comes the homophobe train all aboard!  let me set you straight on a few issues son. Firstly, a phobia is a fear of something. I am not afraid of anything. I dislike something. its a bit like disliking sprouts and then 20 vegetarians threatening to kill you because you dont like sprouts.  Secondly they are not introducing these issues in a meaningful way. For heavens sake the only gay character was writtten by a gay man. yet it seems even he cant get some perspective on how that topic should be raised. To your birth canal subject, I understand these things exist yet discussing bowel movements at a dinner table for example is considered innapropriate and vulgar in most customs. Why should it be any different in a video game?  While I may continue to object to such things being  in a game full stop, I understand that i have no direct control over it being in there. My desire to play the game overides this and I can laregy ignore it to a certain extent. I cannot however ignore it when it is placed infront of me with all the subtlety of a woman announcing she is breastfeeding her child in the loudest voice she can muster. What I am saying is, since they seem hell bent on putting this in a game design it in a way that leaves me ignorant of it unless I choose to make myself aware of it. Thats good writing and it makes sense. Make those things relevant to the conversation.  Not "hi my names bob and i sleep with men" or Hi my names krem and I was so unahppy with my gender i decided to change it" its tacky and irrelevant to whatever you may be discussing.

[hong]

Ok first of all sunshine I'm 33 ok?

That young?

[Jimbo_Gee79]

Well done Good sir!

Well Done!

 

That is how my parent's like their steaks, I prefer mine medium rare, but hey we are all entitled to our own opinion's and Taste.

Some said Fable 2 was awesome, I loved Fable 1, but hated the rest. DAO was good, lots of choices but so Tunneled into no open area exploring. This is not 1999 anymore and there are new changes as we can see from DA:O, DA2 and now DA:I. Some like more then others, as did I. I think what they did with this game is Amazing. But again, That is just my opinion. Go one do say I am just a Bioware fan because I am yet I never played Mass effect 3 nor finished half of 2, although I plugged in over 1000 hours in DAO and DA2 with mods and all. Great games, something you keep forgetting though is Change. Not everything can be Exactly how You Like it and if it is Others will hate it for the same reason you hate DAI.

I dont hate the game. As I have stated numerous times they got a lot right. The scenery, music and lore are amazing.The semi open world part was definitley a step forward. The crafting was a little overwhelming but I was glad it was there. The astrariums were good fun too. I just got tired of doing stuff that didnt get me anywhere and waiting for 16 hours to complete a side mission for a mesely 30 influence. Yes I could have just gone straight for the main misson but thats not how i play these games. I like exploring and finding things. I feel bad for Bioware because I know they must have busted their asses making this game. but they are moving in the wrong direction. They are throwing the baby out with the bath water. I liked the fact they took away auto healing and i stand by that decision. I kind of see now where people got annoyed at the fact they took away stats. I was willing to back them but after playing it it seems needless now. I wish they would listen to ALL of the criticism levelled at the game instead of just select parts. How "stop enemy auto waves and using the same levels over and over" sounds anything like "get rid of stats and make the levels as ridiculously complicated and annoying as possible" I have no idea.

[DetcelferVisionary]

 

Here we go here comes the homophobe train all aboard!  let me set you straight on a few issues son. Firstly, a phobia is a fear of something. I am not afraid of anything. I dislike something. its a bit like disliking sprouts and then 20 vegetarians threatening to kill you because you dont like sprouts.  Secondly they are not introducing these issues in a meaningful way. For heavens sake the only gay character was writtten by a gay man. yet it seems even he cant get some perspective on how that topic should be raised. To your birth canal subject, I understand these things exist yet discussing bowel movements at a dinner table for example is considered innapropriate and vulgar in most customs. Why should it be any different in a video game?  While I may continue to object to such things being  in a game full stop, I understand that i have no direct control over it being in there. My desire to play the game overides this and I can laregy ignore it to a certain extent. I cannot however ignore it when it is placed infront of me with all the subtlety of a woman announcing she is breastfeeding her child in the loudest voice she can muster. What I am saying is, since they seem hell bent on putting this in a game design it in a way that leaves me ignorant of it unless I choose to make myself aware of it. Thats good writing and it makes sense. Make those things relevant to the conversation.  Not "hi my names bob and i sleep with men" or Hi my names krem and I was so unahppy with my gender i decided to change it" its tacky and irrelevant to whatever you may be discussing.

 

Is that a transcript quote from Krem?  Fascinating.  Equally so that someones sexuality has to be meaningful in the first place since you don't seem to hold the same standard to your own.  

 

Your comparison of someones sexuality to bowel movements is discrimination.  Your life must have been so sheltered that you're unable to to rationally digest information that doesn't conform to your beliefs instead of accepting them and moving on.  Dismissing someones sexuality as being "irrelevant" because it wasn't on the menu of what you ordered is the mistake.  You're perfectly willing to accept a host of other real world dilemmas, but sexual orientation must remain private?  Why?  Why should a character be delicate with your feelings? 

 

 Eliciting a response,  even if negative is the job of a great story.  I don't like Sera because she has juvenile behavior.  I wouldn't remove her from the game because of it.  

 

If your desire to play the game overrides your hatred,  then why bother mentioning this at all since you can't seem to do it critically?  

[Jimbo_Gee79]

 

 

 

Is that a transcript quote from Krem?  Fascinating.  Equally so that someones sexuality has to be meaningful in the first place since you don't seem to hold the same standard to your own.  

 

Your comparison of someones sexuality to bowel movements is discrimination.  Your life must have been so sheltered that you're unable to to rationally digest information that doesn't conform to your beliefs instead of accepting them and moving on.  Dismissing someones sexuality as being "irrelevant" because it wasn't on the menu of what you ordered is the mistake.  You're perfectly willing to accept a host of other real world dilemmas, but sexual orientation must remain private?  Why?  Why should a character be delicate with your feelings? 

 

 Eliciting a response,  even if negative is the job of a great story.  I don't like Sera because she has juvenile behavior.  I wouldn't remove her from the game because of it.  

 

If your desire to play the game overrides your hatred,  then why bother mentioning this at all since you can't seem to do it critically?  

 

Again, you're reading but not understanding what I'm writing. What I am saying is that if you are going to include gay people then do it tastefully. Those forms that sometimes ask you what sexuality you are I dont bother answering. Why? because its nobodys ****** business whether I'm straight or gay or I put a womans dress on at the weekend. It's completely irrelevant to the subject matter. Theres a darkspawn invasion but I must find out the sexuality of my party first. How in gods name would you bring that up unless you were sexually attracted to the person?  Sera made about as much sense as a meth head. not a word that came out of her mouth made any sense to me. It was complete and utter gibberish. half cockney half manc thing going on? It was like they had all been watching mary poppins just before sitting down to design her. When asked what I think of someone the first thing that doesnt pop into my head is their sexuality or what id like to do to them in private.

 

I was not comapring bowel movements to sexuality again your not reading properly.If you were at your parents house and they asked you what you thought of a certain person and you responed " well I'd giver her one" or they asked you how your day was and you reply "well i had my girlfriend in the shower this morning" Its childish and its the kind of things a teenger says because he cant control his hormones. it doesnt have to be sexual all the time.

[keyip]

 

Again, you're reading but not understanding what I'm writing. What I am saying is that if you are going to include gay people then do it tastefully. Those forms that sometimes ask you what sexuality you are I dont bother answering. Why? because its nobodys ****** business whether I'm straight or gay or I put a womans dress on at the weekend. It's completely irrelevant to the subject matter. Theres a darkspawn invasion but I must find out the sexuality of my party first. How in gods name would you bring that up unless you were sexually attracted to the person?  Sera made about as much sense as a meth head. not a word that came out of her mouth made any sense to me. It was complete and utter gibberish. half cockney half manc thing going on? It was like they had all been watching mary poppins just before sitting down to design her. When asked what I think of someone the first thing that doesnt pop into my head is their sexuality or what id like to do to them in private.

 

I was not comapring bowel movements to sexuality again your not reading properly.If you were at your parents house and they asked you what you thought of a certain person and you responed " well I'd giver her one" or they asked you how your day was and you reply "well i had my girlfriend in the shower this morning" Its childish and its the kind of things a teenger says because he cant control his hormones. it doesnt have to be sexual all the time.

 

Thought the "gay" thing was handled fine. People are fine when character's are openly straight, but when they're openly gay everyone prefers not to see it or for it to be handled in a "tasteful fashion" which is polite-speak for "I really don't want to see it."

 

I actually didn't notice it until a lot of people brought up their "concerns" on the forums.

[RINNZ]

The over sensitivity is too stronk. Valve pls nerf

[One4sakenAngel]

 So, OP, what would you do to change DAI? Just curious. I'm not going to touch the sexuality-related comments because one)I don't agree with your opinion and two)I'd rather not get into an argument.

[DetcelferVisionary]

I'm reading just fine.  

 

Those forms that sometimes ask you what sexuality you are I dont bother answering. Why? because its nobodys ****** business whether I'm straight or gay or I put a womans dress on at the weekend. It's completely irrelevant to the subject matter. Theres a darkspawn invasion but I must find out the sexuality of my party first. 

 

Except you felt compelled earlier in the thread to point out to everyone you're straight.  Apparently, you've implied, you would have been fine with having the time during a darkspawn invasion to romance a heterosexual.  Double standards.  You're only just now starting to speak in broad terms of sexual attraction in general, but that is not how this thread got started otherwise I wouldn't be taking issue with your deplorable ranting.

 

I was not comapring bowel movements to sexuality again your not reading properly.If you were at your parents house and they asked you what you thought of a certain person and you responed " well I'd giver her one" or they asked you how your day was and you reply "well i had my girlfriend in the shower this morning" Its childish and its the kind of things a teenger says because he cant control his hormones. it doesnt have to be sexual all the time.

 

 

You used bowel movements as an analogy.  You were drawing direct comparison with a disappointing choice of words.  Didn't know when you spent time with Bull that we weren't actually in a bar,  we were in our "parents house".

 

Your entire argument is about there being a time and a place yet I have not heard a peep of you discussing Iron Bull's boast of his sexual exploits.  The fact that you can roam Haven and hear women talk about being sore because he's such an animal...  that part doesn't upset you it seems.  At no point are you forced to have sexual discussions with any character.  No one,  ever forced you to click on the inquire buttons.  

 

 Your discrimination is apparent and lamentable. The LGBT people I know have "lives", not "lifestyles" and that was clearly displayed when Krem first introduced himself to you as well, being a mercenary.  Not once during anything that happened before Haven was his sexuality ever brought up.  What you're really saying is "I do not like same-sex sex".  Simple,  then do not participate in it.  If it bothers you,  don't think about it either.  Trying to change the game developers story, any character's forward personality and expressed sexual orientation as being in poor taste (as if one should be ashamed) in the game because it does not cater to your way of life is misguided put mildly and from what I gather from the rest of your rant, hypocritical. 

[AlanC9]

My problem with the writing was that it left me in no doubt as to the characters sexuality whether I wanted to know or not. For example I'm straight Now being straight I do not find men sexually attractive.If a man found me attractive im sure he would find a way of letting me now. however he probably wouldnt stand next to me and go " "fwwooaar look at the arse on that guy" Nor would he be singing YMCA from the rooftops. The only way I  should know thaty a character is attracted to a person of the same sex is if i click on the romance icon.

This doesn't make sense. Since, as you say, "if a man found me attractive I'm sure he would find a way of letting me know," then "the only way I should know that a character is attracted to a person of the same sex is if i click on the romance icon" can't be the rule for male characters when you're playing a male -- unless you really are arguing that Bio should make the gay characters behave in a way they otherwise wouldn't in order to spare your tender sensibilities. But you can't be arguing that, right? That's what the meanies are saying about you, not what you really believe? Am I following this?

[AlanC9]

Thought the "gay" thing was handled fine. People are fine when character's are openly straight, but when they're openly gay everyone prefers not to see it or for it to be handled in a "tasteful fashion" which is polite-speak for "I really don't want to see it."

Yeah, that's always the rule. Personally, I'm more offended by all the heterosexuality getting thrown in my face all the time at the office, but that's probably just because I'm not seeing anyone ATM.

[Battlebloodmage]

Emerald City? They should do a musical based on Dragon Age.

 

One day, Dorian... I mean Dorothy got swiped away from Tevinter. He's now on a quest to Ferelden looking for Corytheus.

 

Dorian could be Dorothy asking for the way back to Tevinter.

Sera is the scarecrow asking for a brain

Cole is the tin man looking for a heart.

Black Wall is the cowardly lion looking for courage

 

Vivienne could be the wicked witch of the West.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

well go and over react then.

[DetcelferVisionary]

Emerald City? They should do a musical based on Dragon Age.

 

One day, Dorian... I mean Dorothy got swiped away from Tevinter. He's now on a quest to Ferelden looking for Corytheus.

 

Dorian could be Dorothy asking for the way back to Tevinter.

Sera is the scarecrow asking for a brain

Cole is the tin man looking for a heart.

Black Wall is the cowardly lion looking for courage

 

Vivienne could be the wicked witch of the West.

 

This would be a blockbuster!

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

that would be an awesom fanfic.

btw Iron Bull is Toto.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Emerald City? They should do a musical based on Dragon Age.

 

One day, Dorian... I mean Dorothy got swiped away from Tevinter. He's now on a quest to Ferelden looking for Corytheus.

 

Dorian could be Dorothy asking for the way back to Tevinter.

Sera is the scarecrow asking for a brain

Cole is the tin man looking for a heart.

Black Wall is the cowardly lion looking for courage

 

Vivienne could be the wicked witch of the West.

 

This is the greatest alternate universe idea ever!

 

Times like this, I wish I could draw. I bet Dorian would look super cute with plaits.

[10K]

I agree with you OP, about Krem anyway. I felt like that entire situation of you finding out Krem was transgender felt forced. It was like BW was saying "look here's a transgender character. See we're accepting of everyone." I like Krem, but the discovery of whom he really is felt shoehorned.

Dorian and Sera's sexuality on the other hand was done really well. I never felt as though they were souting their sexuality from the rooftops.

[Razir-Samus]

I agree with you OP, about Krem anyway. I felt like that entire situation of you finding out Krem was transgender felt forced. It was like BW was saying "look here's a transgender character. See we're accepting of everyone." I like Krem, but the discovery of whom he really is felt shoehorned.

Dorian and Sera's sexuality on the other hand was done really well. I never felt as though they were souting their sexuality from the rooftops.

coincidentally they are the 2 characters i find the strangest and most awkward in DA:I

[Kevorka]

I only hate what I missed from the first game. I think it could only get better. With some cool DLC.

[Jimbo_Gee79]

 

I'm reading just fine.  

 

 

Except you felt compelled earlier in the thread to point out to everyone you're straight.  Apparently, you've implied, you would have been fine with having the time during a darkspawn invasion to romance a heterosexual.  Double standards.  You're only just now starting to speak in broad terms of sexual attraction in general, but that is not how this thread got started otherwise I wouldn't be taking issue with your deplorable ranting.

 

 

 

You used bowel movements as an analogy.  You were drawing direct comparison with a disappointing choice of words.  Didn't know when you spent time with Bull that we weren't actually in a bar,  we were in our "parents house".

 

Your entire argument is about there being a time and a place yet I have not heard a peep of you discussing Iron Bull's boast of his sexual exploits.  The fact that you can roam Haven and hear women talk about being sore because he's such an animal...  that part doesn't upset you it seems.  At no point are you forced to have sexual discussions with any character.  No one,  ever forced you to click on the inquire buttons.  

 

 Your discrimination is apparent and lamentable. The LGBT people I know have "lives", not "lifestyles" and that was clearly displayed when Krem first introduced himself to you as well, being a mercenary.  Not once during anything that happened before Haven was his sexuality ever brought up.  What you're really saying is "I do not like same-sex sex".  Simple,  then do not participate in it.  If it bothers you,  don't think about it either.  Trying to change the game developers story, any character's forward personality and expressed sexual orientation as being in poor taste (as if one should be ashamed) in the game because it does not cater to your way of life is misguided put mildly and from what I gather from the rest of your rant, hypocritical. 

 

How can I not think about it when the games designers make it painfully obvious that this is the case? I have already written this and you clearly misread it or just didnt bother. Why would I complain about asking about the qunari and hearing that? I clearly asked about it. The whole Krem thing had no reason to be there asince most players weren't aware of that situation. If I as a player am not aware of it why would my character be? Again its a signpost that was only there to let fans know that they had included this stuff. it didnt advance the story or need to be there in any way.

 

As a point I am not a big fan of PDA's even with straight people. I find it over the top and it makes my skin crawl. Its called personal preference but because you dont agree I guess its called hypocrisy where you come from eh?

[10K]

coincidentally they are the 2 characters i find the strangest and most awkward in DA:I

I agree that Sera felt as though she didn't belong, couldn't understand a word she spoke. But Dorian was alright.

[Kierro Ren]

* sighs* Parshaara. Dorian was announced, oh IDFK... A year ago? As an "openly" gay character, it's not BW's fault, it's not the mean old neighborhood who kicked your dog, and hosed your cat for crapping in his flower bed (consider it free fertilizer). It's not Mrs. Doubtfire's fault her teeth fell into her wine at dinner. It... is YOUR fault, for not reading up on the game. Not to mention reading the 500-800 page (idk where it's at now) "The Dorian Discussion Thread" here on this site. It wasn't thrown in your face, because 90% of the DAI fans KNEW it already.

 

As for the "Hinting" in a way you can be ignorant to... Happened...  "My father doesn't like the fact, that I prefer the company of other men." There's a follow up investigation response, "Company of other men?". If there was a way it was thrown in your face, was because you asked for it.

 

*cracks gavel* Case close, your claim has been denied, thanks for coming. (Jeff Dunham: Walter in Bailiff outfit) Have a nice day.

[Jaizek]

I dont think it had to be empty, but whats the point of "making it safe" if everything you do is pointless because the enemies are back 5-10-20 whatever mins later. Why couldn't the people have started moving back to the areas you cleaned out over time and start rebuilding? Or something.

I mean people have said to me not to try and clear an area out before moving on, so you clear an area, the enemies are dead, your soldiers start to take up guard positions and things like that, people start moving back into these remained areas, etc. While the areas you havent touched are still filled with enemies and rifts and what have you.

Something like that sounds more productive and meaningful then having enemies you killed 10 times respawn in order to give you more to do while your picking roots and what not...lol

 

You make it sound like creating a game is so simple, like programming that once 30 enemy's have been destroyed, so and so comes in and changes the whole scenery and then this tree moves from X to Y and that fence goes up here and 15 mins later Joe delivers the paper to John house and the news in today's paper is" YOU DON'T DESIGN GAMES AND YET YOU DISCREDIT THE WORK PEOPLE WHO DO HAVE DONE!"

 

I'm sick of reading your post as they are all the same. It's boring as I got to the 3rd one on 5 different threads. This is an OPEN world game, if you do not want enemy's in it, then go play grand turismo or NHL2005. It's like you haven't even played more then 6 hours and you say you played it over 80. I've played 3 play through's and working on a 4rth and Have not experienced any of your problems. Hinterlands is 100% complete and there is nothing to kill there as there's no respawn's, as is EDL and every other area I cleared. You Must be playing the wrong game. Yes I am particularly talking directly to you. I have scrolled over the last 10 messages because i see your name and pic and i know its the Same Crap each post. 

 

Before you talk about how they should do this and that, please go learn and make a video game. It's like when people tell me How easy my job as a Contractor is, I put them on the spot and get them to try to figure out a few things and that shuts them the HELL up fast because they have No freaking Clue what they are talking about. Being someone who Opened up a Private UO server and had a steady 200 people for 3 weeks before we closed it down, I will say even with 3 other people helping, It was a ton of work and the Game was already created we just had to place the Mob spawns and item drops and decorate the towns and add the villagers and shop keepers and make caves interesting. I understand that You cannot just do that in a day, it took almost a month to make it decent. Now you are trying to implement how You would have made this game to Make it Suit Your needs.... well guess you didn't matter as they Received GOTY and 8/10 was their lowest score from the critics. I guess 90% of the people just plainly suck at their jobs.  No offence to you as a person, just get over yourself and idea's as they are not happening and get used to the fact this is HOW they made the game. If you keep picking apart everything you will never like any game because no game will ever fully meet your needs.

[Jaizek]

I agree with you OP, about Krem anyway. I felt like that entire situation of you finding out Krem was transgender felt forced. It was like BW was saying "look here's a transgender character. See we're accepting of everyone." I like Krem, but the discovery of whom he really is felt shoehorned.

Dorian and Sera's sexuality on the other hand was done really well. I never felt as though they were souting their sexuality from the rooftops.

I on the other hand really enjoyed all the conversations with Krem, Dorian, Iron bull even Sera. I thought these were the most creative of all the character's. BUT, that is just my opinion. I'm a straight dude and have quite a few gay friends and 2 trans gender friends, I really thought what Bioware did was totally acceptable. The judgement this world gives people in real life can be super cruel at times that The new age of kids coming into this world are being taught by their elders whats right and wrong. I am glad they introduced this because it can help certain people who would be critical in real life with these situations kind of understand acceptance in the privacy of their own home. Not being worried or scared of what people will think of them if their curiousity wonders into these area's.

 

I really think this was a Super positive step bioware did was Make Krem over the top to really push the point across"Hey I am a Man trapped in a Woman's body" And one of the most Popular and lovable characters(Iron Bull) respected and defended Krem as a Best friend would. To me, this made me want to talk to every character as much as I could until the only option left available was Goodbye. 

 

I hope to see more of this in games as it can have a positive effect on kids growing up as well as adults who are stuck in that harsh critical place in their lives where they are trying to hide who they really are. 

[Fyriaan]

QQ, Bye Bye I guess.

For me DA:I felt like an Dragon Age game. 
So you had a hard time learning something basic... not Biowares fault and it was pretty easy to get it.

And I don't get it why people are saying that there are so many bugs? I only found a few while playing 110+ hours already. 

PS: are gamers more choosy these days? Complaining about every detail, while in the past it was "Nice game, some bugs and things I wish was different but still a good game".