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[EmperorSahlertz]

Mind if I ask where you live where you do not have those fears?

Denmark, suburbs to Copenhagen.

[AtreiyaN7]

not to mention the potential for a demon to take over, and that one constently hears whispers from the fade to let the demons take over. Not to mention the nightmares and dreams from the fade.

 

though, atreiyaN7: mage life in tevinter is good, but then again you are also part of the ruling class if you are a mage there.

 

Quite so - I did mean that life sucks in general for non-Tevineter mages. Although in Tevinter, I'm under the impression from Dorian that unless you're an altus or higher, it doesn't exactly sound like life is entirely wonderful over there either. And being a magister actually almost sounds as bad or worse then playing the Game in Orlais, heh.

[Deanna]

The people that live across the street from me has been robbed 3 times in the past month. I have a 5 and 6 year old and home alone with them most of the day, do you know how scary that is? ACROSS THE STREET I feel safe knowing a gun is in the next room I know I can defend me and my kids. Call the police? Do you know what can happen in 45 min? Yes I live out in BFE it takes that long.

[Chernaya]

Well... this will go endlessly back and forth until it's locked. The first reply by Veeia was perfect, though. Thread should've been locked and stickied to the top of the forum for everyone to see right after that post.

 

[o Ventus]

You get jailed for killing people here. I know that it isn't so in US but that doesn't mean it should be accepted everywhere

I can't tell if this is genuine ignorance or a painfully unfunny joke.

[Colonelkillabee]

Mind if I ask where you live where you do not have those fears?

Lala land.

[Dave of Canada]

You don't kill someone if he breaks in. You normally call the police.

Someone who breaks the law by invading my property shouldn't expect the law to save them, they've forfeited that right.

[Sir DeLoria]

I'm a licensed sport-shooter, but I'm absolutely for moderate gun control. I'm not saying guns should be banned, but acquiring them should be registered, require proper training and be limited to certain types of weapons. Criminals and people with severe mental handicaps shouldn't be allowed to obtain any.

Someone who breaks the law by invading my property shouldn't expect the law to save them, they've forfeited that right.

Killing an unarmed invader of personal property should count at the very least as manslaughter. There's a million reasons why someone might find themselves on someone else's property without intending to cause any harm.

I remember quite a few cases where some psycho shot a kid in the face for trying to fetch his football from the guy's lawn.

[Panda]

I can't tell if this is genuine ignorance or a painfully unfunny joke.

 

I was being serious. And by gun law views comes from that viewpoint as well.

[o Ventus]

I was being serious. Maybe you live in some kind of country where it's okay to kill people. I don't. And by gun law views comes from that viewpoint as well.

I think you should step away from this thread before you say something truly stupid. I don't think anybody lives in a country where it's okay to kill people, and your remark about people not being jailed in the US for killing people is not only ignorant, but insulting.

 

I get that the US is the easy target and that it's cool to make fun of us (even though nearly every single issue we face is also a thing in other countries, but don't tell that to the idiots who think they're clever for giving us sh*t for it), but saying sh*t like that is actually harmful.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Someone who breaks the law by invading my property shouldn't expect the law to save them, they've forfeited that right.

The law should protect everyone equally, even those who breaks it. Otherwise you are on a slippery slope towards preferential treatment.

 

Lala land.

Yeah, most people who hear about scandinavian (and even canadian) society usually think it is imaginary. No skin off my teeth.

[o Ventus]

I'm a licensed sport-shooter, but I'm absolutely for moderate gun control. I'm not saying guns should be banned, but acquiring them should be registered, require proper training and be limited to certain types of weapons. Criminals and people with severe mental handicaps shouldn't be allowed to obtain any.


Killing an unarmed invader of personal property should count at the very least as manslaughter. There's a million reasons why someone might find themselves on someone else's property without intending to cause any harm.

I remember quite a few cases where some psycho shot a kid in the face for trying to fetch his football from the guy's lawn.

He explicitly said "invading" his property. If someone is invading your property (IE breaking into your house), what possible reason could they have that ISN'T intended to cause harm?

[herkles]

The law should protect everyone equally, even those who breaks it. Otherwise you are on a slippery slope towards preferential treatment.

 

Yeah, most people who hear about scandinavian (and even canadian) society usually think it is imaginary. No skin off my teeth.

I agree with you. I would kind of wish that america was more like scandiniva, but saddly it is not.

[Panda]

I think you should step away from this thread before you say something truly stupid. I don't think anybody lives in a country where it's okay to kill people, and your remark about people not being jailed in the US for killing people is not only ignorant, but insulting.

 

I get that the US is the easy target and that it's cool to make fun of us (even though nearly every single issue we face is also a thing in other countries, but don't tell that to the idiots who think they're clever for giving us sh*t for it), but saying sh*t like that is actually harmful.

 

 There is law that you can shoot people invading your home in US, right? Many states also execute people and that's killing people too. I'm sorry if you find that insulting, but it isn't untruthful. I don't get why US laws should be something above criticism?

 

EDIT: Sigh, I already said I'd drop this but people kept calling my country and other countries with strict gun laws as Lala lands and neutered I think was the word. Well at least I learned new word from these convos. However this is leading thread to non-DAI direction..

[EmperorSahlertz]

I agree with you. I would kind of wish that america was more like scandiniva, but saddly it is not.

We do pay up to 60% taxes...

[o Ventus]

 There is law that you can shoot people invading your home in US, right? Many states also execute people and that's killing people too. I'm sorry if you find that insulting, but it isn't untruthful. I don't get why US laws should be something above criticism?

 

EDIT: Sigh, I already said I'd drop this but people kept calling my country and other countries with strict gun laws as Lala lands and neutered I think was the word. Well at least I learned new word from these convos. However this is leading thread to non-DAI direction..

It's insulting because you evidently have zero knowledge of how our laws work, yet you're trying to lecture me and other people on them. You also keep playing the ignorance card, where you end all of your points in a strawman. Nobody said that US laws are above criticism, nor did anybody say anything of the sort to even imply that. I don't know if you're a kid and don't know or if you're genuinely an idiot, but stop talking about things you clearly have no idea of.

 

Quite literally the only case where it's legally acceptable (as per federal law) to injure or kill another person in the US is in self-defense. What constitutes "self defense" varies on a state-by-state basis. You also (and others here) keep saying "the US" like it's a monolith, completely ignoring the "States" in the name of the country. Something that's legal in New York might not be legal in Florida. In Florida, there's the stand-your-ground law, which says that a person is not legally required to retreat from any place they are lawfully allowed to be, and that they are able to use force if they reasonably believe themselves to be in imminent danger or are under threat of bodily harm or death. I.E. If I'm walking down the street and I get assaulted by someone with a weapon, I can retaliate and attack that person if they threaten to kill me.

 

But please, continue to tell me how it's legal to kill people in the US, because you seem to know.

[Panda]

It's insulting because you evidently have zero knowledge of how our laws work, yet you're trying to lecture me and other people on them. You also keep playing the ignorance card, where you end all of your points in a strawman. Nobody said that US laws are above criticism, nor did anybody say anything of the sort to even imply that. I don't know if you're a kid and don't know or if you're genuinely an idiot, but stop talking about things you clearly have no idea of.

 

Quite literally the only case where it's legally acceptable (as per federal law) to injure or kill another person in the US is in self-defense. What constitutes "self defense" varies on a state-by-state basis. You also (and others here) keep saying "the US" like it's a monolith, completely ignoring the "States" in the name of the country. Something that's legal in New York might not be legal in Florida. In Florida, there's the stand-your-ground law, which says that a person is not legally required to retreat from any place they are lawfully allowed to be, and that they are able to use force if they reasonably believe themselves to be in imminent danger or are under threat of bodily harm or death. I.E. If I'm walking down the street and I get assaulted by someone with a weapon, I can retaliate and attack that person if they threaten to kill me.

 

But please, continue to tell me how it's legal to kill people in the US, because you seem to know.

 

I know from news example that lethal self-defense is legal in US and executions are used as well. I was cutting words too much, I admit that. So I guess rightfully it would be: "In some states in US there it's okay to kill people in self-defense circumstances or when executing criminals. I edited those post slightly.

 

I can't have full experience or knowledge in another country but I still can know what's going on there in general which is executions is okay, lethal self-defense is okay and it's okay to have guns which all aren't okay in my country. Also that "stand you ground"-law obviously isn't in my country. In some cases it might be needed, but generally maybe not. Anyways, sorry if my generalisation and simplification was hurtful ^^ And let's stop dragging this thread along.

[Dave of Canada]

Killing an unarmed invader of personal property should count at the very least as manslaughter. There's a million reasons why someone might find themselves on someone else's property without intending to cause any harm.

 

If someone invades my property, it's impossible to know if they're armed or not. I'm not thinking of the million reasons this guy could be in my house, I'm thinking of protecting myself and if that means killing the guy thereby removing all threat he poses to me and everyone around me, so be it. If I approached him and asked him to stop what he's doing and he has a gun, I've given him the time to turn around and shoot me.

 

My primary concern is the well-being of myself and those around me, not some random guy that decided that I'd be an easy house to break into. Shoot first, ask questions later.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I support the free mages. The Circle keeps them confined to one place. Once gunpowder is invented in Thedas and firearms appear, their edge will begin to become neutralized. Keeping them rounded up in Circles simply allows for quick extermination should someone decide that should be the route.

[Broganisity]

Comparing real world scenarios to scenarios in a Fantasy world is a tricky matter. Tread lightly, my friends.

 

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On the one hand we are talking about a tool. It has no morality, it has no will. It used by the person who picks it up and points it, be it for good or for ill. You do not blame the sword, but the swordsman. You do not blame the car, but the driver.

 

On the other hand you have people. People born with a simultaneously great and horrible power. You can mend wounds and treat illness (but not in DA:I you can't! ), but you can also burn down a house with a snap of your fingers, electrocute someone until they erupt in a fountain of inner fluids...and we haven't even started going on about all the crazy things that going on about blood magic, The Fade, Demons possessions ( and thus Abominations)... But they are still people. They still have morality, they still have will, but all that other stuff must still be accounted for.

 

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If anything, I would compare the situation with Varric and Bianca (the crossbow) in regards to real world gun issues...can you imagine if every soldier, every guard, every civilian, and every thug in Thedas had a crossbow of the quality and magnitude of Bianca? One man would have the firing accuracy, stability, and speed of multiple...It would be a bloodbath whether the crossbow was used for good or for ill, at least according to Varric.

 

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I'm a law man, and I'm avoiding the rest of this thread discussion entirely as it's no longer fully related to initial topic.

 

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Griffins?

[o Ventus]

I know from news example that lethal self-defense is legal in US and executions are used as well. I was cutting words too much, I admit that. So I guess rightfully it would be: "In some states in US there it's okay to kill people in self-defense circumstances or when executing criminals. I edited those post slightly.

 

I can't have full experience or knowledge in another country but I still can know what's going on there in general which is executions is okay, lethal self-defense is okay and it's okay to have guns which all aren't okay in my country. Also that "stand you ground"-law obviously isn't in my country. In some cases it might be needed, but generally maybe not. Anyways, sorry if my generalisation and simplification was hurtful ^^ And let's stop dragging this thread along.

Lethal self defense is legal in a fair number of places. It's neither a negative point of the US nor is it exclusive to us. The death penalty is also not a thing in 28 of the 50 states in our country, which is more than half. It isn't as if people are dying left and right in the streets, or that our government pulls the trigger on every other convicted felon in our prisons. In 2012, there were 43 issues of capital punishment in the US. We may be #5 in the world when it comes to the death penalty, but when the total number is less than 50 in a country with more than 319 million people, that's nothing at all.

[raging_monkey]

Think we are getting a bit too political

[Colonelkillabee]

I know from news example that lethal self-defense is legal in US and executions are used as well. I was cutting words too much, I admit that. So I guess rightfully it would be: "In some states in US there it's okay to kill people in self-defense circumstances or when executing criminals. I edited those post slightly.

 

I can't have full experience or knowledge in another country but I still can know what's going on there in general which is executions is okay, lethal self-defense is okay and it's okay to have guns which all aren't okay in my country. Also that "stand you ground"-law obviously isn't in my country. In some cases it might be needed, but generally maybe not. Anyways, sorry if my generalisation and simplification was hurtful ^^ And let's stop dragging this thread along.

Ok to have guns is also a general sweep that is incorrect. There was a black woman arrested in New York for having a weapon that was legal in another state, but not there. People are rooting for her though, as she did nothing with the weapon and even told police she had it and why. The license to carry was from another state, that's her only crime. New York is special like that.

 

And since you know that the only time killing another person is ok is when its in self defense, generally, I ask, what the **** is wrong with that? Only time it's an issue is when the self defense law is abused for obvious murder like in Treyvon Martin's case. But that's another matter entirely, and not about in home defense from invaders.

[garrusfan1]

Unnecessary. Such thing doesn't really happen and seldom cases it does you have mobile phone which you can use to call cops. You are only allowed to use non-lethal force as self-defense anyways so if you have gun in that situation you end up jail for manslaughter pretty fast.

uh....if they break into your house and attack you you are allowed too. If you are attacked on the street your allowed to kill them. As long as you have a carrying permit.