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[garrusfan1]

I see where your coming from OP but at the same time a person is born with magic and can only get rid of it by becoming a tranquil or dying.

[Panda]

uh....if they break into your house and attack you you are allowed too. If you are attacked on the street your allowed to kill them. As long as you have a carrying permit.

 

No.. you aren't allowed to kill people no matter the circumstances in Finland (my country). Lethal self-defence is against of law and gets you charged with manslaughter. It's like that in many country. Also you people don't really have carrying permits cause guns in general are illegal excluding some hunting guns that hunters have with special permit.

[Chernaya]

Think we are getting a bit too political

 

ya think? 

[Sir DeLoria]

If someone invades my property, it's impossible to know if they're armed or not. I'm not thinking of the million reasons this guy could be in my house, I'm thinking of protecting myself and if that means killing the guy thereby removing all threat he poses to me and everyone around me, so be it. If I approached him and asked him to stop what he's doing and he has a gun, I've given him the time to turn around and shoot me.
 
My primary concern is the well-being of myself and those around me, not some random guy that decided that I'd be an easy house to break into.

Uh god, it's this paranoid, inward-looking attitude that just makes me sick.

According to the Bureau of Justice, the vast majority of burglaries is non-violent and that's not even taking into account other home invasions. And according to most reports, the presence of a gun within a robbed household generally increases the likelihood of the homeowner themselves being hurt or killed in a burglary.

Shoot first, ask questions later.

Yep, that attitude seems to be workin real well for the US lately.

He explicitly said "invading" his property. If someone is invading your property (IE breaking into your house), what possible reason could they have that ISN'T intended to cause harm?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, in law, there's no difference between trespass and "home invasion". Yes, believe me, there are reasons why someone could be on your lawn, garage or even house without intending to cause harm.

[raging_monkey]

ya think? 

not at all look at the "proper discussion of a video game" haha

[Colonelkillabee]

Yep, that attitude seems to be workin real well for the US lately.

Can I just say how stupid this comment is, due to being taken out of context? Sorry, but if someone invades my house, shoot first ask questions later is the only way to handle things. You get one life. I'm not risking mine for some ***** morality bullshit you people are on.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Seeing all the paranoid replies in this thread, im not surprised people get shot dead in the US just retrieving property from a neighbours garden

[raging_monkey]

Seeing all the paranoid replies in this thread, im not surprised people get shot dead in the US just retrieving property from a neighbours garden

its really not that bad honest and i live in alabama.

[EmperorSahlertz]

No.. you aren't allowed to kill people no matter the circumstances in Finland (my country). Lethal self-defence is against of law and gets you charged with manslaughter. It's like that in many country. Also you people don't really have carrying permits cause guns in general are illegal excluding some hunting guns that hunters have with special permit.

Likewise in Denmark. You are under no circumstances allowed to kill another person, and weapons are almost a non-factor since you aren't allowed to carry any gun outside of your own property (unless you got a hunter's permit (limited amount of guns available, none of which can be concealed on the person) or are licensed (ie. police, military)).

 

 

its really not that bad honest and i live in alabama.

The fact that it can even happen (and legally in some states) is the problem.

[herkles]

I thought this was going to be another mage-templar debate not a gun politic debate.

[Sir DeLoria]

Can I just say how stupid this comment is, due to being taken out of context? Sorry, but if someone invades my house, shoot first ask questions later is the only way to handle things. You get one life. I'm not risking mine for some ***** morality bullshit you people are on.

Yep and because of this thought innocent people get killed every year. Earlier this year a 17 year old German exchange student accidentally shot a ball into an open garage, went to fetch it and was shot and killed by the homeowner. It's not a solitary case either, things like this happen every year.

And if you don't care about other people, then think about this: Who says that attacking an intruder with a firearm is even a good idea? Who says you're guaranteed hit your mark? Who says you're even going to reach if before the burglar does?

"A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a suicide, homicide or accident than in self-defense" (Kellermann, 1998)

[EmperorSahlertz]

I thought this was going to be another mage-templar debate not a gun politic debate.

Brewing new soup mate.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

its really not that bad honest and i live in alabama.

Yeah, i know its not bad everywhere, just doesn't surprise me that people get shot for little reason so much with some gun owners seemingly not being able to wait to use their gun at the slightest provocation

[Kantr]

Mages need to be trained in how to properly control their magic and how to use their powers to help. However they also should not be locked up where they dont socialise with people or have the chance to have a normal life and family.

 

Give mages freedom and they're less likely to use blood magic or lash out because they're trapped.

 

Have mages and templars work together to track down those who use their magic to hurt innocents.

 

 

Pro-gun control Pro-mage freedom.

[o Ventus]

ut as far as I know, in law, there's no difference between trespass and "home invasion". Yes, believe me, there are reasons why someone could be on your lawn, garage or even house without intending to cause harm.

Home invasion is, by definition, illegal. What reason would someone have to come into your home unlawfully, if not to cause you some kind of harm, be it physical or otherwise?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Uhhhh this is a thread about games right?

[Colonelkillabee]

Yep and because of this thought innocent people get killed every year. Earlier this year a 17 year old German exchange student accidentally shot a ball into an open garage, went to fetch it and was shot and killed by the homeowner. It's not a solitary case either, things like this happen every year.

And if you don't care about other people, then think about this: Who says that attacking an intruder with a firearm is even a good idea? Who says you're guaranteed hit your mark? Who says you're even going to reach if before the burglar does?

"A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a suicide, homicide or accident than in self-defense" (Kellermann, 1998)

A swimming pool is more likely to kill someone in their home than any private gun is. It's also more likely to be used as suicide.

 

As for your example, lol, Soccer* isn't as popular in the US, lol so that's a unique thing not of the states. Accidents happening does not mean one doesn't have the right or that it's not a good idea. If that were the case, no one should ever drive a car, and we should get rid of Police right now. Both kill more innocents than private gun owners.

 

You're done.

[Colonelkillabee]

Seeing all the paranoid replies in this thread, im not surprised people get shot dead in the US just retrieving property from a neighbours garden

You let these sheltered types make you believe that bullshit if you want.

[Sir DeLoria]

Home invasion is, by definition, illegal. What reason would someone have to come into your home unlawfully, if not to cause you some kind of harm, be it physical or otherwise?

First of all "home invasion" is only defined by law in seven US states and nowhere outside the US, second how can you ascertain if a trespasser has violent intent?

[o Ventus]

Yep and because of this thought innocent people get killed every year. Earlier this year a 17 year old German exchange student accidentally shot a ball into an open garage, went to fetch it and was shot and killed by the homeowner. It's not a solitary case either, things like this happen every year.

And if you don't care about other people, then think about this: Who says that attacking an intruder with a firearm is even a good idea? Who says you're guaranteed hit your mark? Who says you're even going to reach if before the burglar does?

"A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a suicide, homicide or accident than in self-defense" (Kellermann, 1998)

When you kick a ball into someone else's garage, you should inform the homeowner of what you did and tell them it was an accident. I'm not saying the kid should have died for it, but just coming onto someone else's property and going into their garage is not an OK thing to do.

 

@ the bold: What do any of these have to actually do with guns? Attacking someone with a firearm is a better idea than attacking them barehanded or with a melee weapon. If you get in close to somebody who is potentialy armed, you're only opening yourself up to danger. Also, you can miss a melee attack as well, which again, only opens you up to danger. If a burglar is able to reach your gun before you are, that's your fault and not a problem with the gun. A burglar who is willing to harm or kill you will harm or kill you regardless of whether they have a gun or not, and you are the least responsible person on the planet if you leave a gun out in the open like that.

[raging_monkey]

Guys/ladies can we drop this it not DA related anymore... stopped 3 pgs ago

[Sir DeLoria]

A swimming pool is more likely to kill someone in their home than any private gun is. It's also more likely to be used as suicide.

Where did you pull that one from? Firearms accounted for 50.9% of suicides in the US last year, drowning 1.1%.
 

As for your example, lol, Soccer* isn't as popular in the US, lol so that's a unique thing not of the states. Accidents happening does not mean one doesn't have the right or that it's not a good idea. If that were the case, no one should ever drive a car, and we should get rid of Police right now. Both kill more innocents than private gun owners.

That argument is silly and what does it have to do with soccer? Fact is, having a gun accessably in the house puts you and others in far greater danger than not having one.
 

You're done.

You didn't discredit any of my arguments, pal.

[Colonelkillabee]

Ah yes, there was so much stupidity in that post, I completely forgot to address "Hurr durr, what if you miss? Sure that's a good idea?"

 

One, keep it somewhere you know you'll always find it. Guarantee it'll be quicker than the police.

 

Two, if you're worried about missing, even though a basic revolver gives you six shots, use something with a clip that holds more shots. 9 mil holds anywhere from 15 to 17 rounds generally.

 

Three, I guarantee attacking a burglar's better than just letting him do whatever he wants. Tell a rape victim they shouldn't attack.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Home invasion is, by definition, illegal. What reason would someone have to come into your home unlawfully, if not to cause you some kind of harm, be it physical or otherwise?

My elderly neighbor once fell down his stairs in his home, luckily I heard the commotion and ran to his house. I had to kick the door in to get to him.. But I suppose he had every right to blow my head off with a shotgun... After he had stopped the bleeding from his own cracked skull of course... I mean, how dare I enter his house uninvited?