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[txgoldrush]

Mass Effect is Twilight for the space marine crowd.

And Dragon Age is a wannabe Witcher, see I can play that game too.

[Jaron Oberyn]

1. Doesn;t make it good.

 

2. Bioware mentioned Skyrim as an influence for DAI.

 

3. Fallout New Vegas disagrees, and Dragon's Dogma had far better dragon fights.

 

Once again, you simply ignored what I said about flaws of innovation, which the Mass Effect series has. The later games brought a more consistant PC at the cost of dialogue options. And it also had to handle new players in a way because of the save import feature, which got more prominent. It wasn;t the first franchise to use it, but it was the one that made it popular.

Bioware mentioned the fact that it was open world. Which many games are, you are reading too much into that. 

 

3. That's just your opinion, just like my opinion above that DAI has better dragon fights. Now that we both know each others opinions, what are we going to do? 

 

Mass Effect 1 had innovations, that 2 and 3 quickly did away with. So whats your argument again? A "consistent" PC? Don't make me laugh. You don't give players full control of a player in a trilogy just to strip that control away in the last two titles and call that "consistent". That's anything but consistent. There is no excuse for dumbing down the story or characters to serve the game up to newcomers. Dragon age has always had save importing, and they did not do that. You're going to need to do better than that. 

[Feybrad]

I have a Question for the OP:

 

What the heck did you expect when you posted "Criticism" for the Dragon Age Franchise ... that is mostly based on your personal opinion... IN THE DRAGON AGE FORUMS?!

 

Until you give me a compelling Reason, I'm calling troll on this one.

[Jaron Oberyn]

 

And Dragon Age is a wannabe Witcher, see I can play that game too.

Clearly you've never played a Witcher game if you believe that. Your ignorance is astounding. 

 

[taranoire]

Whyyyyy can't we all just enjoy the fact that there are multiple games in this genre and stick to our lanes instead of bi*ching half the time

[txgoldrush]

Bioware mentioned the fact that it was open world. Which many games are, you are reading too much into that. 

 

3. That's just your opinion, just like my opinion above that DAI has better dragon fights. Now that we both know each others opinions, what are we going to do? 

 

Mass Effect 1 had innovations, that 2 and 3 quickly did away with. So whats your argument again? A "consistent" PC? Don't make me laugh. You don't give players full control of a player in a trilogy just to strip that control away in the last two titles and call that "consistent". That's anything but consistent. There is no excuse for dumbing down the story or characters to serve the game up to newcomers. Dragon age has always had save importing, and they did not do that. You're going to need to do better than that. 

No, it didn;t. The sequels refined them. You just did not like the refinement.

 

And really, you overstate your case that they made it friendly for new comers. That is not the case at all, quite the opposite. Newcomers will get very little out of ME3 nevermind a horrible default state.

[txgoldrush]

 

 

Clearly you've never played a Witcher game if you believe that. Your ignorance is astounding. 

 

 

Please, the racism against Elves, the Witcher did it sooner and a lot better. And the Witcher does the mature dark fantasy better as well.

[skotie]

So Mass Effect being more innovative and influential in the gaming industry is an opinion?

 

Its more than just my opinion.

 

And to add, DA games have scored lower critically than most other Bioware games. Even DAI scored below ME3.

It has it's market, I know of only a few games I'm looking forward too and DAI was one of them, I'm not 100% satisfied with how it turned out but it's still a pretty awesome game.

[Jaron Oberyn]

No, it didn;t. The sequels refined them. You just did not like the refinement.

 

And really, you overstate your case that they made it friendly for new comers. That is not the case at all, quite the opposite. Newcomers will get very little out of ME3.

Stripping out RPG elements is refining them? Yeah, we're done here. You aren't offering nearly enough credible opposition to keep me engaged. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

*shrug*

 

Dragon Age is my favourite franchise. I don't disagree that Mass Effect is generally more popular, though this may have something to do with it being a shooter.

[TheLittleBird]

Please, the racism against Elves, the Witcher did it sooner and a lot better. And the Witcher does the mature dark fantasy better as well.

 

.... aaaaaand you just lost me.

 

Have fun with your opinion.

[TheJediSaint]

Whyyyyy can't we all just enjoy the fact that there are multiple games in this genre and stick to our lanes instead of bi*ching half the time

Because I'm pretty sure the OP is just out to pick a fight.

[HereticDante]

I have a Question for the OP:

 

What the heck did you expect when you posted "Criticism" for the Dragon Age Franchise ... that is mostly based on your personal opinion... IN THE DRAGON AGE FORUMS?!

 

Until you give me a compelling Reason, I'm calling troll on this one.

 

Agreed. Also if you're argument is based on saying they did not make ME3 more accessible to newcomers, you should try googling mass effect 3 newcomers and reading the myriad of articles with quotes talking about how they were making the game more accessible to newcomers. I wouldn't say that in of itself is inherently a bad thing, but I don't seem to share OP's sense of hyperbole and oversimplification.

[txgoldrush]

Stripping out RPG elements is refining them? Yeah, we're done here. You aren't offering nearly enough opposition to keep me engaged. 

RPG elements alone don;t make a game good. In fact, the way it mixes genre is innovative in itself.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Because I'm pretty sure the OP is just out to pick a fight.

One that he is severely ill-equipped for. 

 

 

RPG elements alone don;t make a game good.

Excellent strawman rebuttal. I didn't see that one coming. 

[txgoldrush]

Agreed. Also if you're argument is based on saying they did not make ME3 more accessible to newcomers, you should try googling mass effect 3 newcomers and reading the myriad of articles with quotes talking about how they were making the game more accessible to newcomers. I wouldn't say that in of itself is inherently a bad thing, but I don't seem to share OP's sense of hyperbole and oversimplification.

Which they failed to make ME3 accessable to newcomers.

 

They also talked about making DAI accessable to newcomers as well. So it really isn;t a good argument.

[taranoire]

RPG elements alone don;t make a game good.

Question: let's say you're right. Let's say Dragon Age isn't an objectively "great" franchise. 

 

What's stopping you from enjoying it anyway? What makes you want to take that enjoyment away from others? What's wrong with simply liking things, warts and all?

[Ozzy]

Whyyyyy can't we all just enjoy the fact that there are multiple games in this genre and stick to our lanes instead of bi*ching half the time

 

The OP has liked to court drama for the longest time. I don't understand the appeal but it is what it is. 

 

Heck, the topic he posted before this one was "The most boring, predictable, cliched, and lazy Bioware plotline ever." He throws out the lure, people bite and the cycle continues.

 

 

Cast of memorable characters, that they like to almost entirely forget about, and when they don't, they retcon the character or change them to the point that they only have the same name and similar physical features (Anders). Engaging setting, that is not nearly as original as a brand new world and lore should be, and gos through too many changes from the inconsistency in its writing. Vast array of possibilities, that are either gone through great lengths to not have a real effect, or are blatantly retconned.

 

Obviously the cast of characters is going to change if they're going to focus on a different place and different time. That doesn't make them any less memorable. The fact that they have this vast array of interesting characters is, in and of itself, admirable. 

 

I don't expect everyone to feel the same way because opinions obviously vary. 

 

Anders was exactly the same Anders as the one from Awakening that went through changes that were very clearly explained on a number of occasions, lol. The "engaging setting" is obviously a subjective opinion. It's as "original and brand new" as I need it to be. The darkspawn, grey wardens, gods, magisters, fade and all that **** got me hooked. 

 

By vast array of possibilities, I mean the directions they're able to go in the future and not the import system which will inevitably upset someone. 

[txgoldrush]

Question: let's say you're right. Let's say Dragon Age isn't an objectively "great" franchise. 

 

What's stopping you from enjoying it anyway? What makes you want to take that enjoyment away from others? What's wrong with simply liking things, warts and all?

I am enjoying it, I said the game was good.

 

However, the series could be a lot better than it is right now.

[Enesia]

Whyyyyy can't we all just enjoy the fact that there are multiple games in this genre and stick to our lanes instead of bi*ching half the time

 

 

I'll be honest, it's this kind of attitude that stops growth. I am no less bitching or whining. Simply, can we not admit that all the games have had flaws and discuss them in a kindly fashion on how they should be fixed or why they were flaws and what can be done to fix them? Is this not allowed without someone trying to discount what others see as a flaw or see as something that needs to be fixed? It's not bitching or complaining or whining. It's admitting there were mistakes and it's discussing where they could have went to fix these perceived mistakes or flaws.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Which they failed to make ME3 accessable to newcomers.

 

They also talked about making DAI accessable to newcomers as well. So it really isn;t a good argument.

 

Through Dragon Age Keep, which is essentially a history lesson. Not dumbing down the plot and characters, which Mass Effect opted for. 

[skotie]

Is it strange that I love both the dragon age and witcher series and I think as someone who likes RPG's the gaming world is better off having both, at the very least for more selection?

[txgoldrush]

Through Dragon Age Keep, which is essentially a history lesson. Not dumbing down the plot and characters, which Mass Effect opted for. 

Which is a wreck for newcomers. It gives them a bunch of choices with very weak context.

 

And really the characters got far nmore development in the later games in Mass Effect, something ME1 did not do well. So much for your duming down argument.

[Vox Draco]

The franchise as a whole, Mass Effect dumbed down each subsequent iteration to appeal to newcomers. We had to reintroduce and reestablish relationships with players in each game because they had to satisfy the potential new guy. Dragon Age does not suffer from this, they won't water down their story just because someone didn't play the first or second game, thus ruining the experience for fans who stuck with them from the beginning. The DA franchise is, and always will be the strongest out of the two for that very reason, among many others. Mass Effect 1 may have invented the dialogue wheel, but Mass Effect 3 made it pretty clear that they weren't fond of that invention. You can't argue that fact as it was one of the many reasons people criticized that game for, the lack of dialogue choice and control over what your character says.

 

Spot on, and the reason game-trilogies trying to tell one coherent story will never work as in movies. ME1 was a great start, ME2 went back to status quo instead of building on the premise of part one, and ME3 just did something to finish the series somehow...gladly Dragon Age doesn't seem to make these mistakes. Though all I said before is actually rendered moot with Witcher 3 ... I mean it tells a coherent story (somewhat at least) over teh course of three games. But they did the first one vague enough nobody misses it really to get into the story...while for Mass Effect the first one is the most important I'd say. Up to debate I guess

 

Please, the racism against Elves, the Witcher did it sooner and a lot better. And the Witcher does the mature dark fantasy better as well.

 

Mature? *chuckles, remembers nude-trading-cards after making out with every peasant-girl around*

 

I recommend everyone to read some of the short stories of the author, and you'll see the Witcher world is in large parts a parody on many fairytale-tropes, fantasy-cliches and a good one at this. People make it a lot darker than it actually is...but yeah, maybe it comes across a bit more dark than DA in parts, and it has Triss bathing nude, so ...

 

I am looking forward to Witcher and teh conclusion of the story-arc. I bet its much more satisfying then Mass Effect 3 was, though not necessarily happy.

[Wulfram]

A franchise should be judged on how many of it's games are good.

 

And as the Bard sang, "Two out of Three ain't bad"