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[Ashevajak]

Nobody ever lets a bait thread die with 3 only replies around here do they? 

 

The trolls must be fed.  It's cruel and inhumane treatment, otherwise.

[Malkavian]

Yes, I said, it.

 

Why?

 

Because many reasons.

 

1) All three games are very flawed. DAO was far too dated, had poor gameplay balance, had a very cliched plot and characters and followed Bioware formula too closely. DA2 had a much better plot and characters....

 

Literally stopped reading there...

[OHB MajorV]

Yes, I said, it.

Why?

Because many reasons.

1) All three games are very flawed. DAO was far too dated, had poor gameplay balance, had a very cliched plot and characters and followed Bioware formula too closely. DA2 had a much better plot and characters, but the game was rushed out the door and it shows with its wildy uninspired level and world design and moments where the story simply seemed unfinished. DAI on the other hand, lacks a lot of focus, goes against the strengths of Bioware by filling the game with fetch quests and busy work, goes back to a cliched, formulaic plot, and has an overall weak and rushed plot. DAO and DAI also follow Bioware's bad habits of telling about things and not showing them.

2) The series has an identity crisis. First game wants to be Baldur's Gate in a KOTOR shell, but the success of Mass Effect comes along and now it wants to be Mass Effect, hence DA2, Now it wants to be Skyrim, hence DAI. Instead of establishing its own identity, like the Mass Effect series did, which in turn influenced the entire industry, the Dragon Age series mooches off others for its identity (hell, FFXII is another influence), and then changes the identity of the next game to respond to "fans". Its a mess. All three games are wildly different in a bad way. Hell, i would compare it to whats going on with the Final Fantasy franchise right now.

3) Its not innovative. There is no influence, no new things that seperate this franchise from other fantasy franchises. All it does is combine a bunch of influences from other games, but those other games do what DA does, but better. FF12 has a much better comabt system than DAO does, with more enemy variety and better boss battles. As for DAI, Bethesda and Obsidian's Fallout New vegas does exploration and quests better, Dragon's Dogma does combat better, especially against large foes and dragons, Suikoden does the "Keep" and recruiting agents and characters much better, and Mass Effect does the protagonist better (however DAI's wheel is a step in the right direction, too bad the inquisior is not as memorable as Shepard). And this lack of innovation makes all the flaws less forgivable because they are not flaws from doing something new or creative (This is why ME1's flaws were not criticized harshly).

Dragon Age is easily Bioware's lesser franchise against Mass Effect. It will really show once everybody starts talking about the next Mass Effect once its revealed for real and DAI's honeymoon period is over. Why? Because Mass Effect has an identity, it has innovated and influenced the industry (look at the games that use dialogue wheels or similiar paraphrasing systems), it has taken more risks, and the games are straight up, better than the DA games. Then the new IP will further overshadow DA.

While DAI is a good overall game, its simply not the series definer Bioware needed.

I see the OPINIONS of trolls are also bigger in Texas. What are ya gonna do though. Meh.

[Penumbract]

Please, the racism against Elves, the Witcher did it sooner and a lot better. And the Witcher does the mature dark fantasy better as well.

 

That is so dumb an argument I can't stop smiling. Thanks for the laugh... you have my like for this one. Please write more.

 

Sadly it looks like the diet you guys serve him is unbecoming, or he's just taking a nap; maybe he comes back.

[Steelcan]

Oh OP never fails to amuse me with his fanboyism. You'd think ME is the next Halo based on what he says

[Midz]

Except racism against elves or by elves has done before the Witcher games so its hardly new and wither Witcher does the mature dark fantasy better is a matter of opinion.

 

As for the series in General I will say that Mass Effect is the only Bioware series I didn't finish, the first game was good but the second game was blah, just couldn't get into it while I enjoyed every entry in the dragon age series even if I disliked the over simplified elements of DAII.

Except racism was far better done in Arcanum ..change  orcs to elves  and  you have the watered down system Witcher and  other games used .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Still trying to prove Mass Effect is better, tx?

[KaiserShep]

This sucks because [insert screed]. Something something so it is written, so it must be true!

[Darth Death]

A bold post. I happen to agree with most of what was said, especially:

 

 

 

2) The series has an identity crisis. First game wants to be Baldur's Gate in a KOTOR shell, but the success of Mass Effect comes along and now it wants to be Mass Effect, hence DA2, Now it wants to be Skyrim, hence DAI. Instead of establishing its own identity, like the Mass Effect series did, which in turn influenced the entire industry, the Dragon Age series mooches off others for its identity (hell, FFXII is another influence), and then changes the identity of the next game to respond to "fans". Its a mess. All three games are wildly different in a bad way. Hell, i would compare it to whats going on with the Final Fantasy franchise right now.

 

 

I've said something similar in the past, and indeed quite true. There are also contemporary notions plaguing this game, more than any other DA game to date. It's preventing me from starting another playthrough.  

[EmissaryofLies]

I love Origins and I loved the story that DA II tells.

 

I am starting to turn on DAI; the more that I play anything non-human, non-Andrastian, the more that I despise core components of the narrative.

[dsl08002]

In my opinion DA would have been better if bioware didnt start to experimenting as they have done

[cronshaw]

What's a "great" franchise?

is that a term the industry uses?

do critics use it?

Does Dragon Age need to be a "great" franchise to be enjoyable?

You don't have any answers to these questions OP

so I'm going to assume you are just looking to ****** people off

[Rannik]

I couldn't agree more, especially with the second point.

 

Sales are not an opinion btw.

[AshenShug4r]

Dragon Age:Origins was fantastic. Bioware has been struggling to recapture that kind of quality since. No, DA:I did not hit the mark.

[dantares83]

OP: nobody cares about your opinions. 

 

all i want is for this franchise to succeed and have more and more installments.

 

ok, bye.

[Rannik]

OP: nobody cares about your opinions. 

 

I do, your argument is therefore invalid.

 

Feel free to leave now 

[hairlessOrphan]

I love the series, and I've played the first two twice (super rare for me). But I agree. It's not very good. I love it despite itself.

 

I keep feeling like if only the franchise were given to someone with a little focus, discipline, and/or vision? Wow, what a game DA:I could have been.

[GreyLycanTrope]

 

Seriously though Dragon Age is decent enough. Certainly not my favorite Bioware universe, but there's nothing inherently terrible about the series, it has enough lore and conflict between various groups to keep things interesting. I will grant you that ME has somewhat more influence, in the sense that there's a reasons they're not strictly following that games formula anymore.

 

So Mass Effect being more innovative and influential in the gaming industry is an opinion?

Yes and one you can't even back up as the only innovation it brought in was the dialogue wheel and that only appears in other bioware games. A game score isn't exactly a mark of how influential a game is. The only thing it seemed to influence is other Bioware games, and using ideas from previous titles in newer games is pretty old hat for Bioware, you can pretty directly follow certain mechanics from Kotor to Jade Empire to ME to TOR to DA. You can count on that new IP they're working on to follow suit.

[hairlessOrphan]

Yes and one you can't even back up as the only innovation it brought in was the dialogue wheel and that only appears in other

 

I would argue that the main innovation out of ME was giving the protagonist an actual voice. Like, a voice actor. And what a huge difference that made to the presentation.

 

I don't mean just reading a linear script. I mean the thing ME did.

[lLord Bhaal]

@OP.

Poppycock.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

 

 

"); Dragon Age simply put, isn't a great franchise

[AresKeith]

OP you obsessed with Mass Effect

[Vox Draco]

Your name should be Vox Draconis if you intended to be voice of the dragon? Right now it just means voice dragon. Sorry, former classicist here...

 

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