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Aguycalledhaney

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Heya folks...

 

I seem to be having an unusually hard time hitting moving targets with Twin Fangs, Flank Attack and Deathblow. This can be a target at a full run, or just a target casually walking. I've had this issue with AoE and single target daggers. I've had this issue regardless of whether or not I'm hosting. Not sure if I'm just doing something wrong or not.

 

Any workarounds to this issue?


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Torkelight

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Heya folks...

 

I seem to be having an unusually hard time hitting moving targets with Twin Fangs, Flank Attack and Deathblow. This can be a target at a full run, or just a target casually walking. I've had this issue with AoE and single target daggers. I've had this issue regardless of whether or not I'm hosting. Not sure if I'm just doing something wrong or not.

 

Any workarounds to this issue?

Yep, get better timing and a better understanding of the physics. It's actually nescessary on some skills. For example it is best to use fangs on enemies who arent moving forward fast, better against slow moving enemies or enemies standing still. Take your time, and practice. If you try to use fangs on enemies that are moving you really need good timing.


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Aguycalledhaney

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I'm not sure what you mean by good timing. If a target is running past me, and I start the attack, facing the correct direction, AS they pass me, I STILL miss.Literally if I am directly adjacent to them when I initiate the attack, it misses. So what do you mean by timing?



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I'm not sure what you mean by good timing. If a target is running past me, and I start the attack, facing the correct direction, AS they pass me, I STILL miss.Literally if I am directly adjacent to them when I initiate the attack, it misses. So what do you mean by timing?

By timing I mean that you initiate the attack earlier if you are attacking from the side. If you are attacking a fast moving target from behind, dont even bother. Wait till he is standing still or moving slower. You CAN hit a moving target with a sideways attack if you have the right timing. Executing the skill to early or too late results in a miss. Of course harder to do, the worse the connection/lag/latency is.

 

If I understand you correctly you are saying that you stand in front of a target that is moving quickly towards you but may not be aggroing you. If you then use fangs, you will make a forward leap, and then the target has most likely moved past you or on the side of you. As an assassin I rather autoattack moving minions in the back, and use skills when they have stopped or gone into a slower movement. Usually if you are stealthed most characters will be standing still if they have not aggroed anything or are ranged units. This is the best moment to use skills to attack.

But with some practice you should be able to hit every skillattack. "It takes skills".
 



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tbxvividos

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Right before they stop moving

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Kraun

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Dont use twin fangs on (stairs, from behind a moving target, through any obstacle in the path)

 

Pretty much, only use it on a stationary target OR from the front.



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VilniusNastavnik

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I use shadow strike.. bowl them over mid run. It is rather fun watch them go flying in the air as you hit them right before they strike a mate.



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Cryos_Feron

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I might sound like a smart-ass, but twin fangs really needs practice.

and if you want to hit a moving target from behind: don't.

but it is possible! if your distance is small

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I would never use those words, or in that way... but mostly, yes it is.

Except its not, the truth is theirs many occasions when using it does not provide the results it should.

 

It should be able to hit a moving target, more often than not it cant (twin strike specifically).

 

What you call getting better is adapting to poor performance in the animations, sure you can make the best of it but at the end of the day its anoying to deal with. lets be honest in perilous you cant afford to let a moving target live long and twin strikes is never going to hit.

 

For a class that relies on striking from behind its a huge issue.



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SLooPPy JOE

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Haven't had any issue hitting flank attack.

For twin fangs I'm assuming your issue is hitting melee enemies as they charge towards your team mates. Remember that templar and venatori grunts stop and raise their sword in the air before they charge. Get used to the timing of hitting them when they stop to raise their sword. Also, team mates using powers like chain lightning will stagger them long enough for you to hit.

Deathblow has no reach, like... none. Use on stationary targets.

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Torkelight

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Except its not, the truth is theirs many occasions when using it does not provide the results it should.

 

Well, maybe it is 50% working around bad game mechanics, it can still be called "skill" though.

I do not have the same problem as you or the OP describe, I used too in the beginning though.... but not anymore. So what you and the OP are doing wrong, I dont know....



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Well, maybe it is 50% working around bad game mechanics, it can still be called "skill" though.

I do not have the same problem as you or the OP describe, I used too in the beginning though.... but not anymore. So what you and the OP are doing wrong, I dont know....

Try hitting a guy with it which is chasing your ally who is running in a circle and weep in misery.



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Torkelight

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Try hitting a guy with it which is chasing your ally who is running in a circle and weep in misery.

You think I havent experienced that before? I usually just use autoattack then - which is effective as a rogue as it is from behind, and usually almost every strike will hit. No skill use nescessary. I've said a few times in this thread already, do not use fangs on a fast moving target from behind, usually dont use it on moving targets at all. It is that simple. In other occasions it can come down to basic skill shots.



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[quote name="Torkelight" post="18077930" timestamp="1418511350"]

You think I havent experienced that before? I usually just use autoattack then - which is effective as a rogue as it is from behind, and usually almost every strike will hit. No skill use nescessary. I've said a few times in this thread already, do not use fangs on a fast moving target from behind, usually dont use it on moving targets at all. It is that simple. In other occasions it can come down to basic skill shots.[/quote
Then you are not on perilous because it will aggro you and take half your life if you are autottacking.

You also said it wasn't a problem and it was a skill you learn, it's either one or the other not both.

So which is it? A skill that u get good at with practice or a skill which had poor ability to hit moving targets
You also said you don't have the same problems as we describe yet you say you don't use twin strikes on moving targets... I mean wtf

So we agree it's a problem on moving targets, glad that's finally sorted.

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A thing i do is right when they are about to pass me by is the moment i use my moves for the side flank damage.