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[Milan92]

He also greatly approves if you help him become a spirit again then take him to Val Royaeux.

I know. Its really up to the player how they like Cole more.

[Battlebloodmage]

I picked spirit in one game and human in another. I like spirit better because it lets him keep the fullness of what makes him special, and he also seems much less tortured. On the human path he couldn't stop talking about how much pain he was experiencing.

If he does something bad, then he should feel bad for it, so he wouldn't doing it again. The only reason why doesn't do bad thing is because other people told him to, he doesn't understand why it's bad. If he feels bad then he knows why it's bad. That's why I find letting him becoming more humans to be better because he can grow, experience and grow. 

[cae37]

I went with spirit just because I wanted to keep Cole's true nature but I had my reservations with it.

 

My concern is with Spirit Cole's power of making people, and himself, forget. It seems useful but I feel that forgetting things isn't the best way to solve problems.  

[SabreTastic]

I chose 'human' my first playthrough because my somewhat anti-magic, templar-sympathizing Warrior!Trevelyan was...not thrilled by the 'abundance of weird,' shall we say? All that waffling between 'demon' and 'spirit.' If he came into the world and started carrying on like a person, wanting to help, wanting to learn how to be better at helping...'It's not how a person would do it, I know.' Well, you can learn that! And he did seem happy going to lunch, 'sticking,' and being 'real.'

 

But then in my second playthrough, my status-quo hugging Warrior!Adaar listened to the 'Fade Expert' and told him he needed to forgive and focus on his purpose (because the surefire way to protect him was probably getting that amulet to work. 'Magical abilities and magical vulnerabilities' and all that). At first, I thought perhaps I'd made the wrong decision because Cole seemed somewhat...'melancholic.' But after taking him out to lunch, listening to how genuinely pleased/excited he was to be helping even those little hurts--'She'll laugh, but she'll do it, because she loves you'--I came around to the idea that the two paths are very different and Cole does seem 'happy' either way, but I'll probably lean heavily toward Spirit in the future. Even though I do feel rather horribly when Varric mutters 'He could've been a person.' And when Cole has his...'crisis moment' about the Spire. When I hear him say 'But you didn't change, didn't make me change...' it feels right, somehow.

[RobRam10]

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[littlebrightpanda]

I thought both choices had their ups and downs and that was why it felt like a meaningful choice. The human path is good because Cole appears to be on that path anyway due to Rhys. However, he can feel pain now and is not as effective at "healing people". But he adapts, which I saw as good.

 

Spirit Cole is also interesting, because he embraces his spiritness, which helps him help people better. However, he will not learn and might make people forget because it is convenient. He might lose his drive to help people, if he makes himself forget too much, at least that was my interpretation. 

 

I liked both versions of Cole. 

[SandiKay0]

Cole is a beautiful being, I thought it was neat both ways but more meaningful for him to become a person.

[Tensai]

I went with Spirit because I felt it was his true nature.

 

This and i didn't want to be responsible for murder.

[_Motoki_]

I feel like he's already transformed so much that he can't go back to what he was. It was very clear when he went to the Fade he's quite different now than what he used to be and no longer felt at home or like he belonged there.

[Lewie]

The first playthrough I chose spirit, for two reasons; we have never really 'known' spirits apart from anders who was not a good example; this is the first time we have actually seen a good spirit turned wrong because of human nature (Solas: quest faded for her). Both of those reasons are one and the same, evidently. Humans are assholes at times. This game did change my perspective though. 

 

Cole said spirits are damaged by being pulled through without their consent and Cole has already decided himself to live as a human so I think either choice is fine. It is really up to the player what they think is best for him. 

 

Bearing in mind Justice had no say, neither did the spirit of wisdom. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Boy, I really agonized over this one, like no other decision in the game.

 

Spirit.

 

Being human is not necessarily good, for one thing. Two, Solas -- while I do not share many of his opinions -- is more knowledgeable on this subject than the guy advocating for the alternative (which is Varric... I mean, wtf). Third, I think it may be valuable for mortals and spirits to learn how to coexist in our world. Cole shows how he can help people in ways only a spirit can. Still unsure about my decision, but in the heat of the moment, that is what I chose.

[Kittn]

I went with spirit on my first playthrough, and after seeing the scene in Val Royeaux for the human side on youtube, I think I will be sticking with spirit. He seems so much happier to me that way. Even his eyes seem brighter. Also I don't think the post-epilogue conversation where he's listening in on Solas's noggin will take place if he's not more spirit-y? I need every little bit that I can get to tide me over until we find out what's actually going on with him.

Forever spirit Cole for me.

[Estelindis]

I chose human.  My logic was that he had already come into the human world because humans interested him, so that aspect of his nature was calling to him more.  That doesn't mean I think the spirit choice would be bad...  But the human-choice cutscene with Varric was so beautifully touching that I find it very hard to imagine taking a different choice in future playthroughs.

[MWImexico]

"More human".

Anyway, technically, whatever we decide he's stays a spirit, right?

I suppose that's a difficult question because spirits are entities of the Fade; I don't think they are meant to exist in the material world so, what's the point of asking Cole to stay true to a "nature" that don't really makes sens in a tengible world?

Also, blind compassion can be dangerous or considered as moraly wrong depending of the context. I don't know much about the spirit path for Cole but if he forgets all the time what he has learned, how could he learn how to help people more effectively if he doesn't understand them? Sometime pain can give the knowledge to survive or the motivation to achieve things, it's not always necessarily a bad thing. Can a "more spirit" Cole make the difference?

[robertthebard]

I totally missed the opportunity the first time, I forgot to do the war table mission. The second time, I went human, because I felt like that was what he was trying to attain.

[DetcelferVisionary]

Spirit.  Because as you find out, he's not really a spirit of compassion. Oh no, no no... he's a spirit of love making.  Just continue on his personal quests...  you'll see.  He's a naughty little spirit.  Oh yes he is.  Naughty.  

[Xionanx]

I went with human, because IMO this whole game was about exploring what it meant to be a spirit or a demon.. and Solas is a hypocrit time and time again.  On the wand, he wants people to think about spirits differently, then on the other hand he himself refuses to believe that a spirit could be "more" then what they are.

 

So I went with human to prove that spirits can be more then just the incarnation of a single idea..

[Lewie]

I went with human, because IMO this whole game was about exploring what it meant to be a spirit or a demon.. and Solas is a hypocrit time and time again.  On the wand, he wants people to think about spirits differently, then on the other hand he himself refuses to believe that a spirit could be "more" then what they are.

 

So I went with human to prove that spirits can be more then just the incarnation of a single idea.

I agree with that, but would you allow people to kill a spirit that was ages old if you had the chance to intervene? 

 

I find it funny that people forget that Cole and Solas are in the world by choice.

 

I went with spirit because I wanted to prove that spirits can be more than just the incarnation of a single idea..

[samuelkaine]

Human.

Pinocchio deserves to be a real boy.

Also, in hindsight Solas's advice seems to be as much hubris as anything else, that if Cole can go from spirit to mortal then surely he'd have heard about it before.

[CreepingShadow]

Human, Thedas is his home now, and as we've seen he's started to grow as a person, he's no longer the representation of an ideal. Making him more human continues his growth, and better adjusts him to the challenges of the world.

[draction]

Sprit, it is what he is and, after Justice/Anders I know better than to mess up spirits by trying to get them to be human. NEVER try to bend a spirit into what it is not, that makes it a demon. Sure Cole is content either way for now, but what about DA:4, does making him more human give you a new Anders or, possibly Anders and comany of such spirit/human hybrids? I don't even wnat to think of the havoc that would create, look what one did, and I'm trying to fix that mess.

See I came to the opposite conclusion I believe Justice became twisted because he was trying to exist as a spirit in the human world thus leaving his nature open to being corrupted like any other spirit so long as he remained in the material world. If on the other hand he'd became MORE than simply a spirit of justice his nature would have been more complex and he'd also would have gained a greater understanding of both himself and people in general thus less likely to be subverted but that's just my belief.

[Myusha123]

Human. Thought it'd be interesting to see where it would lead to have Cole join the society he was helping. 

Plus seeing him perform a memory lobotomy over his identity as Cole after the Temple of Mythal...was so sad.

[Ryzaki]

Human because the whole reading people's mind thing while innocent is a bit creepy. Him gaining humanity lets him put context to it.

[Tsunami Chef]

Spirit...I was roleplaying a warrior warden who has no fucken idea what to do with the fade and everything...not risking telling him he's something even he knows he's not.