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[Ozzy]

Went Spirit the first time around because my Adaar Mage was the type to defer to Solas' knowledge when it came to spirits and the like. Then I went Human for my second playthrough with my Trevelyan Warrior who thought that there was more to it than Solas was acknowledging. 

 

Ultimately, I like the human path more. Turning him into a spirit is seemingly great as he seems happy but that scene at the end where he forces himself to forget Cole because he feels that he could have saved his life is just heartbreaking. 

In the human path, he acknowledges some of the same wishes but isn't so distraught over it. Having him just sit next to the MC in contemplation was better than the alternative. 

[OsiriNara]

Seeing how upset he is when he's in the Fade ("I made myself forget when I decided to leave" or something similar), my choice would always be for him to become more human. He made a decision and he crossed into this world on his own freewill, and I doubt he'd want to return to the Fade again (unless he reaffirms his nature as a spirit and keeps making himself forget and unlearn whatever experience he's had in the real world, but that's not likely since he left the Fade by choice in the first place).

 

So, a spirit in the mortal world, with only an amulet to protect himself - I don't think that's wise either.

 

And the cutscenes when you take him to lunch and when he experiences angst for the first time - just so heartbreaking and warm and adorable at the same time.

 

My Trevelyan, being the youngest, has always wanted a younger brother.

[Cypher0020]

human, because Cole always seemed for that path, he just had to have the right push

[Knight-Enchanter Lavellan]

I agree with that, but would you allow people to kill a spirit that was ages old if you had the chance to intervene? 

 

I find it funny that people forget that Cole and Solas are in the world by choice.

 

I went with spirit because I wanted to prove that spirits can be more than just the incarnation of a single idea..

I went with human Cole.

 

I may be mistaken, but isn't it stated by Cole in game that essentially (if he becomes more human) spirits embody an aspect and they never learn to grow beyond that, yet because he is more human he now has the ability to learn and grow?

 

What I mean to say is that it would appear that him becoming more spirit like would force him to become just that -- the incarnation of a single idea instead of having the ability to remember/learn and grow beyond that.

[robertmarilyn]

Human...I think it makes him happy and he's excited to have so much to learn. He can still help people too. 

[Angloassassin]

I chose human cause amulets can be lost or broken. 

 

This - All of my this. Plus, Cole's story was so sad. Doing anything short of trying to help him through it felt like telling him to "Man Up", only, he's a spirit. So he'd never learn and grow, and always have the unfortunate possibility of the Amulet going missing or breaking, and having him being bound. Twisting him into a demon. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Human because the whole reading people's mind thing while innocent is a bit creepy. Him gaining humanity lets him put context to it.

I'd like for him to read Isabela's mind after gaining his humanity. 

[SomberXIII]

I chose Spirit because I want him to be a spirit of Compassion.

[Battlebloodmage]

Cole killed people out of compassion or to end their suffering, even if they don't want to. The problem with spirit is they are single minded and can't tell if doing it is actually right or wrong. They can't make judgment. What Cole did even though it was out of compassion is actually evil and more akin to a demon. I can see the argument for being spirit but I find allowing him to actually realizing his actions is actually more beneficial for him to grow instead of just stuck in one place. Moreover, the amulets can be lost, he may do evil things out of compassion in the future and may not even realize it.

[LiquidLyrium]

I went spirit because... he actually seems.. happy as a spirit? And if he becomes human... a lot of bad things happened to him/the real Cole that he experienced? And while there are plenty of admirable qualities to humans (the capacity for growth, change, and freedom) there are a lot of... negative experiences that go along with it. And I was terrified that somewhere down the line, Cole would become unhappy, sad, depressed, and broken down and unable to cope because he hasn't always been human, he wasn't raised as a human and he'd be lost trying to deal with all those negative emotions.

 

Also with the relatively positive outcome on the spirit path, I've been deathly afraid to pick Human lol.

[Battlebloodmage]

I went spirit because... he actually seems.. happy as a spirit? And if he becomes human... a lot of bad things happened to him/the real Cole that he experienced? And while there are plenty of admirable qualities to humans (the capacity for growth, change, and freedom) there are a lot of... negative experiences that go along with it. And I was terrified that somewhere down the line, Cole would become unhappy, sad, depressed, and broken down and unable to cope because he hasn't always been human, he wasn't raised as a human and he'd be lost trying to deal with all those negative emotions.

 

Also with the relatively positive outcome on the spirit path, I've been deathly afraid to pick Human lol.

I have seen both, and personally picked humans. He actually starts to see the world differently and very happy. He actually understands now that the stuffs he did in the past was wrong. People like Sera actually treat him better, so he's no longer alone. As a spirit, no one remembers him or knows who he is. He actually opens up and allows people to see him. The reason he erases people's memories is because he was afraid of getting to know people and losing them, especially after losing his only friend, Rhys. While letting him remain a spirit, he would continue to be afraid of meeting people or getting them get close to him. It's kinda lonely, personally for me. 

[Dragoonlordz]

Human, spirits can be corrupted into something else against their will and used by others much easier I felt than a person who can learn and evolve as a person while not being trapped/changed/controlled or corrupted so easily. I chose human and Cole in mine was better for it, happy too and thanked me for leading him down that path. Sola's also thanked me for picking that option later despite earlier in the game he wanted Cole to remain a spirit.

 

I also think as a spirit Cole could never actually be happy, at best he could be content but would be akin to a machine running on automatic as a spirit essentially forced to continue doing the same thing over and over never learning or evolving because it wouldn't be in the spirits nature to adapt or change on it's own. As a human he would have that ability to learn from mistakes and even if makes more mistakes he at least can learn from them and not forever repeat them, in the end allows for the potential to become a better person by going down the human path even if there is a risk of doing bad things but no less risk than the continuation of the bad things was doing before as a spirit.

 

When we crawled out of the primordial ooze as an early variation of our species, we were probably content in being what we was back then but we would not know of happiness because we was not capable of understanding what happiness was and it is not always for the best that we remain that which once were. I considered same thing for Cole on top of the other elements I mentioned above. Could Cole become a bad human being, yes but unlike being a spirit he has the ability to avoid that fate himself and can correct it if happens while as a spirit he has no control over being mutated or corrupted and no way of undoing that corruption himself.

[Nightdragon8]

Human. It's not explained why Cole is the way he is. He talks about only helping the real Cole, never possessing him, not even his corpse.

 

Cole is either an accident or some spirit-human hybrid. Either way, he is not like the other spirits, and should no longer be held accountable to what they are.

 

I made him a "human." Or rather, more human.

umm... yes he possed "Cole's" corpse its explained in his personal quest, Its one sentence and its in cole speach, Human Cole was killed by a templar, He tried to hard to help Cole and ended up inside his body.

 

For my mage, Spirit, for my rogue, human.

[Starki113r]

umm... yes he possed "Cole's" corpse its explained in his personal quest, Its one sentence and its in cole speach, Human Cole was killed by a templar, He tried to hard to help Cole and ended up inside his body.

 

For my mage, Spirit, for my rogue, human.

He didn't possess his corpse. Solas has stated multiple times that he isn't even possessing a body. He tried to help Cole so much, so thoroughly that he took on his form and became more than a spirit.

 

A corpse can't disappear into thin air and reappear wherever he wants.

[Jackums]

Humanity.

 

Partly out of sadism, partly out of academic curiosity as to what a spirit to human transformation would result in.

[DalishRanger]

Done it both ways in different playthroughs. Not sure which one I like more. In my canon world state, I went the more human route because my dwarf Inquisitor more or less feels like Varric does about the matter.

[sylvanaerie]

Which path did you go: human or spirit? And why?

 

I've done both, to see different content mostly--no real RP reason.

 

I went with Spirit because I felt it was his true nature.

 

On my first playthrough this was his fate, because my Dalish felt that this was his true nature, and the amulet worked to protect him.

 

Humans. Spirits are too pure and can be easily corrupted to be a demon. Humans have emotions like hatred, anger, happy. As spirit, Cole keeps making people forget. He wouldn't learn anything from the experience by hiding. If you get hurt, you learn from the experience, you grow from it. If Cole were to face something bigger than himself and haven't learned to cope with it, at some points, he will start to turn into evil and blow up a Chantry. 

 

Then on my second I did this, because my Circle mage felt that if he was going to be in the world, best he be able to fit in better, and hopefully won't need the amulet to protect him, since he will be too human to bind.

 

Both had 'rp reasons' for doing it but the truth of the matter was, I just wanted to do different things on different playthroughs.  

Both are interesting and viable perspectives, but of the two, I think I prefer making him more human. He's less creepy and otherworldly and I think if he ever lost the amulet, or it broke, or (any number of reasons it may not work anymore) he would still be okay because he'd be too human for a spellbinder to press him into service.

[Big I]

Human, because spirits that can't deal with complexity and conflicting drives are too often twisted into demons by the world, like Justice.

[TheJediSaint]

Human, because the feels.

[Myrmedus]

Human because I falsely believed he was stuck in our world and it would help him live in it immeasurably.

Of course, when I found out later he could return to the Fade I wondered if I chose correctly

[Siluan]

I made him more spirit in my first playthrough because it seemed closer to his "true" nature.
But in my second playthrough I listened to what the Spirit of the Divine tells you - something along the lines that making people forget is not mercy, that it's a mistake born of compassion - and decided making Cole more human. 

I haven't finished my second playthrough yet, so I can't say which path is better, but so far I think I like the human way more. It hurts him more, but it allows him to grow.

[Ranadiel Marius]

Went with human because being unable to learn from his mistakes just seems like a recipe for disaster. Plus this opens up the possibility that all humans are descended from spirits that became more complex. So we need to examine this possibility for the sake of SCIENCE!

 

Also I really enjoyed his feast conversation where he talks about how Cory's attempts at binding him failed because Cole knew exactly who he was.

 

This and i didn't want to be responsible for murder.

Eh, Cole is probably more likely to murder on the Spirit path since as a spirit he doesn't "learn" and is just static so eventually the lesson of "mercy killing out of compassion is still wrong" will eventually vanish.

 

 

I went with spirit on my first playthrough, and after seeing the scene in Val Royeaux for the human side on youtube, I think I will be sticking with spirit. He seems so much happier to me that way. Even his eyes seem brighter. Also I don't think the post-epilogue conversation where he's listening in on Solas's noggin will take place if he's not more spirit-y? I need every little bit that I can get to tide me over until we find out what's actually going on with him.

Forever spirit Cole for me.

That conversation still takes place with a human Cole. His power to make people to forget fades, but he still has the power to read people.

 

I went with spirit because I wanted to prove that spirits can be more than just the incarnation of a single idea..

O_o So to prove that spirits could be more than just a single idea, you removed the aspects of Cole that were not in alignment with Compassion rather than letting him become more complex? Okay sure why not.

[Veloric Wu]

The only logical path is to chase him off like the abhorrent monster he is. 

Says he who uses Dread Wolf as his portrait

[Sifr]

Human, because I love seeing non-human entities in fiction become intrigued by and gradually discover humanity.

 

Mass Effect's Legion and EDI, Star Trek's Data and the Doctor, Wall-E... who doesn't love that story arc?

 

[AlexiaRevan]

if I want him to stab peoples....I go human . If i want him to heal peoples..I go Spirit . So far..Spirit it is .