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[KneeTheCap]

What a vague topic title, I really do suck at making those...

 

Anyway, I've always wondered why all the "work" for romances & stuff has to be done by the player, wouldn't it be nice if NPC's tried to do those too? I mean, would it work if they started to flirt with you and tried their luck in starting a romance with the player? I can think of only one example of this, and that's Anders in DA2. Did it get that much backlash that the idea was never re-used?

 

Am I making any sense? For some reason it's rather difficult to explain my point here and I seem to have lost the ability to write coherent sentences

[Shechinah]

Oh no, it makes sense, don't worry

I think the reason they decided to change it was due to some people's reactions both in Origins and DA:II.

[ElofValant]

I can think of only one example of this, and that's Anders in DA2. Did it get that much backlash that the idea was never re-used?

 

 

 

I remember that a LOT of people really, really hated the Ander's romance thing... how they were ropleplaying their character a certain way, and Ander's trying to shove himself on you really did not suit them. I do remember quite a bit of backlash on the Bioware Social forums about this aspect to Ander's... so it wouldn't surprise me if they did indeed decide not to have companion's flirt with you due to the hatred ppl had for this when Ander's did it.

 

Edit: Just want to add, I personally had no issue with that. Only issue I had is the only way to reject his was pretty blah. Oh, and the timing of the flirting... very inappropriate imo. I've done all romances types in games where offered (ie m/f, f/f, m/m).

[SirGladiator]

Both Morrigan and Leliana hit on the player in DAO, that was very positively received, it was really cool.  Isabella hitting on the player in DA2 was also a very positive and fun thing.  The only thing people didn't like was Anders doing it, and primarily when he hit on male PCs.  It's safe to say that so long as they stick to female NPCs hitting on the PC there won't be any kind of backlash to it, it'll be received very positively as it has been in the past.  And I do enjoy that, I think it's nice to have a mix of romances where you're the one who starts the flirting, and ones where the NPC does.  Hopefully we'll have more of that in the future .

[Shechinah]

I also think it had something to do with the responses you had and how Anders responded to rejection with rivalry.

[Nimlowyn]

While still in Haven, when I spoke with Blackwall after I began looking for his Grey Warden thingies, he flirted with me. I was kind of taken aback, but not in a bad way. 

[Veruin]

I also think it had something to do with the responses you had and how Anders responded to rejection with rivalry.

 

It was both.

 

The homophobic ones took offense at Anders flirting with them, while everyone else took offense at how poorly Hawke shoots him down.  Which, if I recall, was basically a sneering "You and me?  As if, ******." or maybe it was just a rude "**** off".

 

I will never understand why you cannot swear on forums for games rated 'mature'.

Modifié par Veruin, 14 décembre 2014 - 02:07 .

[Seishoujyo]

If you re talking about romances here i have a quick question and i don't want to open another "romances" thread.

 

So my question is whic oneh of those 2 romances is longer between Cassandra and Josephine ?

 

I like them both but I m kinda affraid that Josephine's romance is half assed like Kelly Chambers in ME2 and isn't a fully romance like Cassandra because she's not really in your party.

[caradoc2000]

You don't get to canoodle with Josie,

[Seishoujyo]

You don't get to canoodle with Josie,

 

Canoodle ? Uhm what ?

 

You mean no "sex scene" with her ?

[caradoc2000]

You mean no "sex scene" with her ?

Correct.

[Battlebloodmage]

David Gaider stated that it would never been done against due to the angry nerdstorm against a guy hitting on them. 

[Seishoujyo]

Correct.

 

So there is only this kissing scene with Josephine and that's all ? No more content for the romance after that ?

[caradoc2000]

Solas and Josephine get only a kissing scene, others get sex scenes as well. At least they got rid of the awkward underwear scenes this time.

[KneeTheCap]

So there is only this kissing scene with Josephine and that's all ? No more content for the romance after that ?

 

I still can't grasp the idea that a romance scenario is considered to be missing something if it doesn't show a sex scene. Isn't it supposed to be about characters and their story, no?

 

Edit. Typo.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

 

Both Morrigan and Leliana hit on the player in DAO, that was very positively received, it was really cool.  Isabella hitting on the player in DA2 was also a very positive and fun thing.  The only thing people didn't like was Anders doing it, and primarily when he hit on male PCs.  It's safe to say that so long as they stick to female NPCs hitting on the PC there won't be any kind of backlash to it, it'll be received very positively as it has been in the past.  And I do enjoy that, I think it's nice to have a mix of romances where you're the one who starts the flirting, and ones where the NPC does.  Hopefully we'll have more of that in the future .

 

 

Alistair and Zevran also hit on the player. The difference between the DAO flirting and Anders was in DAO you could choose a variety of positive or negative responses, where in the DA2 Anders one you had 2 positive and one really really negative response, no option to be neutral or politely rejecting. It felt forced on you regardless of how you feel about romancing Anders. The other problem with Anders,of course, was how it was immediately after you helped him kill Karl, The timing was just bad. I suspect some stuff was cut out. The writers are usually better than that.

 

I found Isabelas offer to be eye-rollingly stupid.Mostly because they 'tweaked' it in the demo to make it sound more suggestive than it actually was. It was pure manipulation, which doesn't sit well with me.

 

 

 

 

David Gaider stated that it would never been done against due to the angry nerdstorm against a guy hitting on them. 

 

Then, sadly, he missed the point.

[Seishoujyo]

I still can't grasp the idea that a romance scenario is considered to be missing something if it doesn't show a sex scene. Isn't it supposed to be about characters and their story, no?

 

Edit. Typo.

 

Well maybe because a romance leads to sex in real life ? And only a small kiss that's something really disapointing.

 

But more than a sex scene it seems Josephine has not that much of content compared to Cassandra, so as a male player you only have 1 real romance option, that's a big let down compared to ME3 or DA2. Well whatever, Cassandra is a great character so for once I won't say anything.

[Chaos17]

David Gaider stated that it would never been done against due to the angry nerdstorm against a guy hitting on them. 

The case of Anders is mainly because it was guy hitting a guy and not a girl hitting on a guy or the contrary.

If Bioware want to avoid this, they may let the player initiate this "switch/flag" by asking if the character is okay to be liked by the same gender.

It's just a gentle way to introduce the romance with baby steps instead presuming that players can flip over their gender preferance in a blink of the eye.

 

*cough*

I'm just trying to say usually when you fall in love with someone (whatever the gender) it's because you came to love him/her with time and not just because there was a flirt option to do so XD Unless it's motivated by lust.

*cough*

 

Just tryin to give some ideas because I like the idea of the OP, I wish smarter companions that don't (always) wait for me to come talk to them.

[Riverway_Inca]

Exactly, I didn't like that it was always on me to initiate something with the companion. I don't like being the pursuer and am not used to it. They treated the romances like they were prizes, another achievement to get by clicking on that little heart button as often as possible until it leads to the sex scene. As such, the romances didn't seem to grow organically as there was no give and take, and there was no pacing concurrent with the main story beats.

[MillKill]

Because Anders flirting with the PC caused someone on the BSN to demand a "gay toggle" be patched into the game.

[XMissWooX]

I'd also like it if some of the LIs took the initiative in the romance.

I can understand why people might have been unhappy about the way in which Hawke turns Anders down - personally I always picked the 'flattered, but not serious' response, but the rejection seemed quite harsh. And then of course getting rivalry for it was odd, since rivalry was not supposed to be the same thing as disapproval, and why would you consider someone a rival because they turned you down?

But it was something I missed in DAI, and if it really won't be making a return in future titles I'll be a little bit sad.

[Nefla]

I still can't grasp the idea that a romance scenario is considered to be missing something if it doesn't show a sex scene. Isn't it supposed to be about characters and their story, no?

 

Edit. Typo.

I agree. By those standards Pride and Prejudice wouldn't be a romance either

[Jaron Oberyn]

David Gaider stated that it would never been done against due to the angry nerdstorm against a guy hitting on them. 

 

To be fair it wasn't only Anders. Isabela hit on both males and females in da2 as well.

 

As for the OP, that certainly would be an interesting dynamic to have an NPC try to court you rather than the other way around. The way they did it in DA2 wasn't so much that as it was a single pass of sorts. I can see it being well received if done well. But then again you'd have to deal with people who would get offended by such things. I wonder how they'd react to that situation in real life, given they could hardly handle it in a video game.

[snackrat]

I would like it if there was more NPC agency, yes. Personally I did like having Anders (and in DAO, Alis) being a little flirty/affectionate. Otherwise it feels like the Protag just gets what they want. And if they want your tail - BEND OVER AND TAKE IT, MUAHAHA

 

Ultimately however, I think it would be a bad idea to implement it. Did you SEE how people reacted to Anders? Egad. People are terrified of non-compatible orientations touching them with their gay/oppressing them. Others are upset that he takes rejection personally (like almost any person does), despite the fact that approval is REALLY EASY to get for Anders, wow seriously, the easiest.

 

It doesn't matter that majority of the people will take it in stride. EA needs to be able to market to the minority that don't, as well. Especially in countries/states where those people are NOT the minority.

[Corwyn]

To be fair it wasn't only Anders. Isabela hit on both males and females in da2 as well.

 

As for the OP, that certainly would be an interesting dynamic to have an NPC try to court you rather than the other way around. The way they did it in DA2 wasn't so much that as it was a single pass of sorts. I can see it being well received if done well. But then again you'd have to deal with people who would get offended by such things. I wonder how they'd react to that situation in real life, given they could hardly handle it in a video game.

 

Yeah but it was Anders that set off the storm for the most part.  There were a lot of post that started with "I'm not homophobic but".   

 

Personally I'd like it if the companions were more proactive in general not just in romance.  So many games it seems like companions are just kind of there waiting for the player to interact with them and they have no life of their own.  That's hard to do right I suppose but I think it would add a lot to the game.