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[TristynTrine]

David Gaider stated that it would never been done against due to the angry nerdstorm against a guy hitting on them. 

.-. idk I would feel flattered lol, I guess I'm weird. 

[Natureguy85]

Alistair and Zevran also hit on the player. The difference between the DAO flirting and Anders was in DAO you could choose a variety of positive or negative responses, where in the DA2 Anders one you had 2 positive and one really really negative response, no option to be neutral or politely rejecting. It felt forced on you regardless of how you feel about romancing Anders. The other problem with Anders,of course, was how it was immediately after you helped him kill Karl, The timing was just bad. I suspect some stuff was cut out. The writers are usually better than that.

 

Well put, but the other major problem with Anders is that it's out of nowhere considering his heterosexuality from Awakening. Secondly, unless I am not remembering correctly, there is no indication from Anders of a romantic relationship between him and the other mage if Hawke is female. The problem wasn't a gay character hitting on a male Hawke; it was changing an established character and the inconsistency, rather than creating a new, well developed character.

 

Edit: I found a video of the scene of Anders and Karl with a female Hawke and there is a bit of what could be inferred as romance between them, but Anders doesn't make it clear as he does with male Hawke.

[BroBear Berbil]

I still can't grasp the idea that a romance scenario is considered to be missing something if it doesn't show a sex scene. Isn't it supposed to be about characters and their story, no?

 

 

 

No.

[Shechinah]

Ah, I still remember the posts about players who thought Zevran's offer for a massage was just for a massage. Good times.

[Myusha123]

I think the major thing wasn't that Anders hit on you. It was the fact you got negative approval for turning him down. Or "rivalry". 

[pengwin21]

Well put, but the other major problem with Anders is that it's out of nowhere considering his heterosexuality from Awakening. Secondly, unless I am not remembering correctly, there is no indication from Anders of a romantic relationship between him and the other mage if Hawke is female. The problem wasn't a gay character hitting on a male Hawke; it was changing an established character and the inconsistency, rather than creating a new, well developed character.

 

Edit: I found a video of the scene of Anders and Karl with a female Hawke and there is a bit of what could be inferred as romance between them, but Anders doesn't make it clear as he does with male Hawke.

 

Anders was bisexual in Awakening and in DA2. He was never gay or straight.

[nightscrawl]

Then, sadly, he missed the point.

No, he didn't, he simply got fed up with it. People complaining about it appeared in practically every romance thread (this is not an exaggeration). He tried to explain numerous times that getting rivalry for one response was not really a big deal, was in fact pretty realistic (no one likes getting rejected), that you could very easily regain any points lost as a result, and how hypocritical people were in not complaining about being hit on by Isabela. People didn't want to hear it.

Even if that was his opinion -- I'm not going to take some random forum person's word without a sourced quote -- it doesn't really show in Dorian's writing. You initiate one flirt and Dorian picks right up on it and makes various comments from that point on. I see absolutely no problem with the way it all worked out in DAI.

[rda]

Ah, I still remember the posts about players who thought Zevran's offer for a massage was just for a massage. Good times.

Well, they're 10 year olds whose parents bought them M games.

[ManleySteele]

I'm one of the ten people who actually liked DAII.  I'm a straight male and that's what I play in game. I didn't find Anders's overt sexuality a problem. I thought it was easy to avoid and not very play breaking. I didn't like his constant whining and therefore seldom took him on a mission.  The same with any character.  I view the ability of a writer to make me dislike a character to be good writing.  That's realistic. You won't like everyone you meet and you can be forced to work with people you dislike.  It doesn't bother me in a game. I don't expect to like every companion. That's just my two cents worth.

 

As fro the OP's point, I agree. Your PC is one of the most powerful people in this fantasy world. He probably should have to be fending off advances from every third person he meets. Or not fending them off. LOL. Why can't I play a playa?

[ShadowWeaver2012]

Solas and Josephine get only a kissing scene, others get sex scenes as well. At least they got rid of the awkward underwear scenes this time.

 

Ah, I'm romancing Solas and figured it would be just a kiss. I'm ok with that, but he sure plays hard to get. I mean he was easy to tick off... he says he's not black and white but sees things more like in greys, but let me tell you! He has specific interests and if you don't agree with him he gets snippy. He's not very open-minded at all, in my opinion. But I think he's cute anyway.

 

 Romance is nice, but we should be given more of a choice to either go "earthy" or "etheral" in our romance culmination.

[sylvanaerie]

I liked in the Alistair romance, yes, it's initiated by the player, but if you wait to do his woohoo scene till after his personal quest with Goldanna, he will initiate it in his awkward, sweet manner.  Zevran's initial come on is brought out in a serious (for once) question about the warden's intentions with him--followed by a short musing about how nice it would be to have a true friend if you decline his advances.  Morrigan's come on was humorously over the top, and I can't recall if you lose any approval for turning her down, but I don't recall it as being much if you choose your answer well.  She will actually have 2 in the game.  If you don't talk with her except to do her personal quest, and wait till after you give her the grimoire, she will ask "If there would have possibly be anything between her and the warden".  I found her response of "I've never had a male friend before" to be rather touching.  And Leliana's can be drawn out by an 'oblivious' warden into a playful dance of seduction.

 

My objection to Anders was 1) highly poor timing--5 minutes after murderknifing his friend/lover, he's trying to get into Hawke's pants/skirts and 2) no way to put him down gently/civilly.  And he acts like a petulant child who got a toy taken away when you say "no".  Plus, I found him creepy and greasy, very unappealing.  Just...no...not even.

 

I'm all for NPC's making the initial moves, but if they do have NPCs initiating anything, there should be an option to respond in a mature manner that won't be received like a spoiled brat by the NPC.

[KneeTheCap]

No.

 

With Sten's voice?

[FaWa]

Anders turned me gay, thanks Bioware. I knew EA was behind the homosexual agenda. 

[N7KnightSabre]

Ah, I still remember the posts about players who thought Zevran's offer for a massage was just for a massage. Good times.

 

 

You've got to be kidding me.  People actually thought it was just a message?  From Zevran?     He made it pretty clear it'd be more...

[Andraste_Reborn]

 

You've got to be kidding me.  People actually thought it was just a message?  From Zevran?     He made it pretty clear it'd be more...

 

I learned one thing from the 'I accidentally a whole elf' complaints: some people don't read. Or listen to dialogue. (OK, I've worked in tech support, I already knew that.)

 

Alternatively, DAO was played by a surprising number of naive twelve-year-olds. Zevran is a lot of things, but subtle is not one of them.

[canarius]

What a vague topic title, I really do suck at making those...

 

Anyway, I've always wondered why all the "work" for romances & stuff has to be done by the player, wouldn't it be nice if NPC's tried to do those too? I mean, would it work if they started to flirt with you and tried their luck in starting a romance with the player? I can think of only one example of this, and that's Anders in DA2. Did it get that much backlash that the idea was never re-used?

 

Am I making any sense? For some reason it's rather difficult to explain my point here and I seem to have lost the ability to write coherent sentences

My straight male Hawke was really pissed at Anders for trying to bang him at every opportunity. My Hawke had to watch his *ss everytime Anders was in the party. So I am thankful Bioware changed that from DA2. It should be up to the player.

[Mushashi7]

What a vague topic title, I really do suck at making those...

 

Anyway, I've always wondered why all the "work" for romances & stuff has to be done by the player, wouldn't it be nice if NPC's tried to do those too? I mean, would it work if they started to flirt with you and tried their luck in starting a romance with the player? I can think of only one example of this, and that's Anders in DA2. Did it get that much backlash that the idea was never re-used?

 

Am I making any sense? For some reason it's rather difficult to explain my point here and I seem to have lost the ability to write coherent sentences

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I think you're right.

It would most certain bring an extra dimension into the game. More realism.

NPC's are more or less without independent behavior. In that sense they are dead and without life. But it shouldn't be very hard to code an outseeking behavior. It's just a matter of adjusting to the idea and get it done.

From offensive to defensive romance? Eh... or is it the other way around?

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

No, he didn't, he simply got fed up with it. People complaining about it appeared in practically every romance thread (this is not an exaggeration). He tried to explain numerous times that getting rivalry for one response was not really a big deal, was in fact pretty realistic (no one likes getting rejected), that you could very easily regain any points lost as a result, and how hypocritical people were in not complaining about being hit on by Isabela. People didn't want to hear it.

Even if that was his opinion -- I'm not going to take some random forum person's word without a sourced quote -- it doesn't really show in Dorian's writing. You initiate one flirt and Dorian picks right up on it and makes various comments from that point on. I see absolutely no problem with the way it all worked out in DAI.

Well, yeah sure. But the actual problems in that scene were drowned out by the idiots you mention.

I'm not following your second paragraph.