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[Dakota Strider]

To borrow a phrase from Comrade Lenin, EA/Bioware must be pleased for the "useful idiots" that gladly attack their critics with such fervor.  It must be blissful to live a life that requires such low standards to be content.

[Blue_Shayde]

Honestly, a reviewer named Chris Breault seems to put my feelings into perfect words...

 

 

Many chores in this game have been mislabeled as quests. Close four rifts. Establish seven camps. Free seven villagers. Find 22 shards. Collect 48 copies of a book someone lifted from the library. Pick up a billion grains of sand someone left on the beach.

 

It’s clear that Bioware couldn’t scale its storytelling up to the world its artists made. In Origins, even a transitional area like the Brecilian Forest could hide a paranoid hermit and the talking tree that he hated. In Inquisition, you’ll scour the wilds in vain for a scene like that, finding only “kill the guy” or “collect the thing” tasks that nobody had time to work up into a story. There are no surprises, no complicating action, no conflicting agendas, no one to use your knife on. You greet people in these areas only to get a work order, and you return to deposit the result for a word of thanks. Having a conversation with them is like talking to a mailbox.

 

Inquisition feels slick but siloed. The story and exploration parts of the game are boxed separately, and the latter is full of prefab errands with few ties to the themes of the Dragon Age setting. Change a few names and you could drop them into any other RPG: here’s the forest zone, the ice zone, the desert zone. The two halves of Inquisition only talk to each other through the War Table, a big token-strewn game board back at base. A cat could run across the thing and destroy your whole campaign.

 

 

The rest of the article is here...http://killscreendai...n-all-business/

 

He does a real good job of capturing my own thoughts and feelings on the game.

[theluc76]

unbiased reviews is hard to find

[DaemionMoadrin]

Hrm. I'm on the side of the critics as well but I see no reason to insult or belittle other gamers for their different opinions. I am sure we are all mature enough to agree to disagree without resorting to namecalling and insults. That's not only not productive, it derails threads like this one.

 

So there are people who enjoy the game and think BioWare is awesome, so be it. Their voice is worth exactly as much as ours and no one here has the right to impose their truth as gospel.

 

Have you ever considered that we, the critics, might be wrong? I -know- I'm right but I'm only human and prone to mistakes. Logically the truth can be found somewhere in the middle, so perhaps DA:I isn't quite as bad as we say and probably not quite as good as others believe.

 

I understand that it is difficult to differentiate between facts and emotions when it comes to games. Games are entertainment and your enjoyment of that is always subjective. It is certaintly a mood thing, too. Not to mention time. Your gaming experience depends on so many factors that it is nearly impossible to rate a game objectively. Personally I don't want to be a professional game reviewer, it sounds like a job you can never get perfectly right. Someone will always complain.

 

I say I don't have a lot of fun with DA:I and while I still feel that it is true, I still spent ~80h playing it. Mostly to get it over with but also because I want to see how the story ends.

[Ashen Nedra]

Paraphrasing myself again: DAI=Buffet ; good RPGs = French cuisine. The sauce is missing.

 

And I still think the War Table is more akin to a Facebook game than a complicated, non-loot based, back-to-text-based-games-artsy-you-don't-get-my-genius something....

 

But sssssh don't wake up the kids fans.

 

@ stalitegirl Retired at 34, congratulations! I thought I did at 30 and then I met some overly nice tax people.  Are you available for online lessons?

[DaemionMoadrin]

Honestly, a reviewer named Chris Breault seems to put my feelings into perfect words...

 

 

 

The rest of the article is here...http://killscreendai...n-all-business/

 

He does a real good job of capturing my own thoughts and feelings on the game.

 

Very, very good review. I wish I could put my thoughts into words like that.

[Ashen Nedra]

You are pretty much spot on the definition of what constitutes a fan. Never understood that myself.  Even as a kid.  And the video game industry is taking a nasty turn these days, imho.  So much aggressiveness between peers...so much marketing bs...

 

It really is quite impressive and scary.  The independent-crowd is still nicer, I think. Crowdfunding will be big in the next years I think.  and independent, privately owned companies.

[Blue_Shayde]

Paraphrasing myself again: DAI=Buffet ; good RPGs = French cuisine. The sauce is missing.

 

And I still think the War Table is more akin to a Facebook game than a complicated, non-loot based, back-to-text-based-games-artsy-you-don't-get-my-genius something....

 

But sssssh don't wake up the kids fans.

 

@ stalitegirl Retired at 34, congratulations! I thought I did at 30 and then I met some overly nice tax people.  Are you available for online lessons?

 

Yeah, the war table could have been way cooler. In the end, its turned into a time-management facebook game in my eyes.

[Blue_Shayde]

Honestly, I'm sort of annoyed with most of the quest rewards. You just get power. And to be honest, you get 200+ more power then what you need by the end of the game. I even stopped doing requisition quests because all I got was power and nothing else out of them. Not even some new tents to show I'd actually achieved something boosting the Inquisition by completing said requisition.

 

I would have preferred Inquisition perks over power. Or money. Money would be wonderful.

 

So between the empty quests that haven't really dragged me in and made me care about the world, the lack of any true reward for doing those quests, the broken rigging in the arms of elves (the race I want to play as most), and the lack of...darkness to the story (really, this world is sooo much happier compared to DA2 and DAO's settings. ), I really find that when I put the game down, I don't really have anything to worry over and ponder what could have been. Nothing in the game has really grabbed me outside of the events of Adamant Fortress, and that only grabbed me because it involved wardens, who I have a deep bond with thanks to the first game. But even the end of that mission was a joke in my eyes. Why would I sacrifice a certain special character over a random warden? (since in my game timeline, Ali is king, Lohgain is dead, Carver is a templar... ). Heck, even if any of those three were my warden in that choice, I wouldn't sacrifice that special character. So the choice wasn't even a hard one. There are really only three characters i'm really attached to. Dorian, because he's adorable and awesome and fun. And Varric, because again that bond was built in DA2. Dagna showing up had me ecstatic, because again...it drew from the bonds I formed in DAO.

 

I'm not sayings its wrong to really love this game and think its the best. Heck, I would probably have agreed if not for all the small things that keep popping up and ruining the game little by little. (broken arms, bugs, the wrong personality for my special character, large abundance of human only armor or otherwise race blocked armor, Dorian continuously trying to play tank, etc... )

 

But for me, personally, its not the best. It doesn't hold a candle to the character and story of DAO or DA2.

 

For me...this game is a blatant example of quantity over quality.

 

Some people like that...but I'd rather have quality myself. So all I can say, as I've repeated before, is if I reviewed this game, my final opinion would be......... "It's good, but forgettable."

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

strange i dont care if you finish ot not either.

 

Ok jokeing asside god the game can be a chore after elf root and resorse survay number 700.  

[Digitalprowler]

Haven't played in three days.  Was waiting on the hotfix for patch 2 so my graphics would go back to ultra and just haven't had any interest in cranking it back up with all those long load times,  I've got 8 cores running at 4.3 ghz, 32 gigs ram and a pair of R 270's in crossfire and the thing still takes enough time for me to get up fix a cup of coffee and come back in time to see a new location finally load.

You need your OS on an ssd. Processor and ram barely mean anything anymore as games aren't designed for 8 core processing and in most cases even today they just utilize 2 cores.  6 and 8 core is for multitasking......like playing a game, streaming a movie and writing an essay while surfing the net for content

[Ashen Nedra]

Not strange at all...that's kind of the problem between us gamers these days....And I'm out of jokes for tonight.  darn it...

[Dakota Strider]

If this game would have removed all references to Thedas, and the events of the past, and had just been a stand alone game, I would have enjoyed it far more, and would have been a bit more forgiving of the controls being geared towards the console market, as opposed to the PC.  But, I expected a game that was a successor of my favorite game, and one of my favorite game worlds, and in that regard, it did not deliver.  The story was... ok.  The best parts for me, was when they made an effort to connect to events that happened in the past, that our former characters "lived".  More of that would have been good for me, but I suppose there are too many people who have never played DAO, that just would not get it. 

 

Basically, I am saying, I can understand why some people like this game better than I do, warts and all.  They did not have the same expectations, based on past experiences with this franchise.   Perhaps if they had tied all the lose threads at the end of DAO, it would have been easier to start fresh.  But, Bioware created a game world that players felt they were involved in, and they cared about what happens.  And when they play a sequel, they expected much more of what they enjoyed with the original to be used in DAI. 

 

But it was not just the technical changes in the interface, but the very lore of Thedas has changed from game to game.  There is barely any resemblance of the Qunari from Sten in DAO, to the Arishok in DA2, to Iron Bull in DAI.  The rules of magic seemed to have changed, even though what could be done and what could not be done were made very clear in DAO.  And interaction with our companions, just seems to lack something.  In DAO, and even to some degree in DA2, the hero and his companions felt like a big, dysfunctional family.  They may have attempted that in DAI, but it never really felt like they got it right to me.

 

The funny thing is, I am an optimist.   I keep hoping that they will get it right, and return to their roots in how they produce #4.  However, I am not too old of a dog to learn new tricks.  Not going to pre-purchase the next game based on EA/Bioware promises.  Won't pay full price, until I see actual player reviews.  And if they are tepid, I will wait before spending my money.  When it comes down to it, that is the only power the players have in trying to influence a game producer, either spending or withholding our money.  I used to buy Bioware games with no question, even over-priced expansions, because I supported how they made their games.  I don't support the way they do things now, so now I won't pay full price.

[Elhanan]

But is it truly optional? the f...ing Hinterlands is the first area of the game, and it's.... not good, bloated, no story.  Try to see where I'm coming from.
 
Dai is a huge change from previous BW games since 20 years.
 
Between the PC controls, the lack of story -or use of an alternative method of storytelling, I don't care-, the 'flashy' look of the combat, the MMO/FPS like type of controls (do you agree, as a MMO player?), the bugs (the banter one - I got it, so no or little banter, 35 hours in the game when I realized it, still no clear response from BW), the kill the wolves and...nothing type of quests and so on, it was too much for me.
 
If you aren't hooked by the main story, which is, to say the least, mediocre imho (yeah political themes are interesting and all, and the death of a pope hasn't really been done too much in video games, except for JRPGs, but it's basically a trope in fantasy books), you're done when you realize how Mark Darrah wanted you to play his masterpiece.
 
I read everything in a game, or in real life. I even enjoyed/loved reading Wasteland 2 little radio or ambient descriptions this year.  I couldn't be bothered to read all these letters.  And always the same thing....pick letter, go to point A on your GPS, kill something or pick something.
 
 
Pffffffffffffffffff....

This is where I believe you are incorrect. The Hinterlands is a region in chaos; a smaller representation of the Mage/ Templar War, and the results on the local environs. If by bloated you mean full of smaller tales, I agree; the area is full of this and that, including the main story which is linked directly to the past games. Personally, I loved the place.

My PC controls were fine, as I remapped them to more familiar Keys. I lowered the flashy effects, as well as Gore; options available to all. While it does play a lot like SWTOR, I prefer the Pause and Tac-Cam functionality in DAI, and my fingers do not ache nearly as much after sessions.

I have had no problems with banter or major bugs; have seen a few minor ones out of a lot of time spent in a game (eg; floating loot, Seara not able to wear Elven armor, etc). Nothing game stopping at all.

The Main story seems to be a continuation of the past games in the series, which was anticipated by myself. I am a fan of the plat, as I have one canonical Warrior that sides with the Templars, and the remaining ones with the Mages. And while there is a lot to read in the game, much like Skyrim, I tend to skip the longer entries initially and focus more on the journals and notes; not nearly all are part of fetch quests.

I get that some are jaded by seeing what may be common in MMO's (SWTOR is my only experience), but one does not have to complete or perform every quest. I would like to be able to remove entries from the Journal, but even then they serve to remind me of what I choose to avoid for RP reasons. This approach also helps in selecting side-quests; do not wish to collect Shards, then do not use the Oculariums. If one dislikes collecting Mosaic tiles, then skip them; have yet to complete one myself. Etc. The silly Bottle quest is the only one that ruffles my aged feathers; the rest are pick and choose.

Personally, am having a grand time, though I do believe I prefer DAO as an overall experience (ie; DAO > DAI > DA2), IMO.

[Elhanan]

@kw27028
 
On your last point, did you also notice that all 'likable and powerful' people present in the game, except for your companion characters, are, to the best of my knowledge, women?
 
God deliver us from evil political correctness done without subtlety in fiction.

OTOH, we have Cole and Vivienne; contrasting that opinion strongly.

[BartDude52]

I honestly have never been so disappointed in a game than with Dragon Age: Inquisition; the fact that I've been anticipating this game for so long just makes it so much worse. There are just so many problems.

 

1): Maybe I've just been lucky, but in the previous two Dragon Age games (and in the Mass Effect games), I've rarely encountered bugs, and even then the very few that I did encounter were very minor and easily remedied/avoided. But in this game alone I've probably encountered more bugs than I had in the entirety of the previous games (and the whole Mass Effect series) combined. Broken abilities, dialogue randomly stopping mid-conversation (particularly during important quests), agents not actually counting as agents (despite the game saying 'agent acquired'), randomly getting thrown into the air in a battle, characters disappearing from Haven/Skyhold, sound cutting out etc. It's just a complete and utter mess.

 

2): The main quest-line is way too short. I've just finished Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts and, according to the Dragon Age Wiki, I've apparently got only three more main quests left. Seriously, Bioware? A game this big and I'm almost finished already? I've not even been going that quick (I've clocked up about 60+ hours but only a small amount of that time was actually doing the main quests).

 

 3): The side-quests in this game are just so dull and uninteresting, for the most part. Like, honestly, they feel so pointless and are mostly just filler, if you ask me. I mean, I barely even remember most of what happened in the side-quests that I've done, the people I've 'helped'; not like in, say, Origins, where I actually remember helping someone such as Bella start a new life away from Redcliffe, or helping a mother in Orzammar discover the fate of her son, and actually caring, feeling good about myself, feeling emotionally invested etc. after doing said quests. In Inquisition, with most of the side-quests I'm just sort of like 'meh' after doing them. Even Dragon Age 2 had better side-quests.

 

4): What's the point of most areas? I mean, sure, some of them are very nice to look at, but really, there's no compelling reason to go any of them (in Origins you actually had a reason to go areas such as the Brecilian Forest or Orzammar because they are part of the main storyline to begin with). You could probably complete the game just by going to the required areas. Even if you actually do go to areas such as the Emerald Graves or Emprise du Lion, the side-quests there aren't very good anyways. If these big areas had something like a main quest attached to each of them I'd feel much more compelled to actually thoroughly go through each area.

 

5): Some of the customisation options are just poor if you ask me, such as the hairstyles (honestly when creating my human male character I only found, like, maybe two hairstyles at most that I actually liked) and the voice options (while I appreciate that we have two to choose from for both genders, I honestly don't really most of them. The American male voice is just horrible, the American female sounds so dull and monotone, and the British female, while she does actually have a nice voice, she just sounds off in certain conversations. The British male voice is great by comparison).

 

6): The companions aren't really that good, in my opinion. For example, you've got the likes of Blackwall (who has got to be the absolute epitome of the word 'boring'), Cole (who's too weird for my tastes), Iron Bull (I found him to be a bit of a weirdo. Prime example is the scene in Skyhold where he wants you to hit him with a stick - actually hitting him just made me really uncomfortable) and Sera (who's a bit of a psycho and can be quite annoying). Even the advisors aren't that great - Cullen's not really that interesting to me, Josephine is very sweet but like with Cullen she isn't particularly interesting either, and Leliana is just awful compared to what she was like in Origins (at least for me anyways. She's just way too cold-hearted and confrontational for my liking). The only companions that I actually like to an extent are maybe Cassandra, Solas, and Varric. The rest I find to be either a combination of annoying, boring, weird, or (at best) tolerable.

 

All in all this has been a rather un-enjoyable experience so far (the fact that I've had this game since release and have still yet to actually finish it says a lot). Honestly, this game just feels like a massive slog - even in games like Dragon Age 2 or Mass Effect 3, where there were maybe some aspects of the game that I didn't like, I still actually enjoyed playing them for the most part and was eager to finish them right through to the end. With Inquisition, it just feels like a chore that needs to done rather than an experience to be savoured. Blue_Shayde actually describes the game pretty well: forgettable.

 

I honestly never thought that I'd be able to be this disappointed and underwhelmed with a game. However, Bioware, by producing Dragon Age: Inquisition, you managed to succeed. Well done.

 

P.S. Look, I don't hate this game, it's got some good aspects to it - some of the areas are very beautiful, and the few main quests that we do get are (so far for me, at least) good (they're just so few and far between, and too short) - it just could have so much better. I'm not angry, I'm just very disappointed.

[Elhanan]

Personally, I try and focus on the quests that appeal to that character. For my initial Inquisitor, he is about aiding the refugees, so those types of quests are more of a priority. However, my power-hungry Mage may not care, but still may do some like these to endear the masses to his cause. It depends on the quests; depends on the personality.

And I have 2800+ hrs in Skyrim, and scores of playthroughs in DAO and several in DA2, so it is not like I have no experience at all.

[Thane4Ever]

Things I love about this game:

 

The characters and their stories, even more than DA:O.  They feel very alive, authentic and rich, and are the main reason I came back to play a second time immediately after finishing.

 

The romances - again, much more organic and believable.

 

The main story, and the politics with Grey Wardens/Mages/Templars, the wonderful DA lore.

 

The graphics - I think it's gorgeous to look at.

 

Things that are just okay:

 

Side quests, they seem pointless in a game that's supposedly defined by the player's choices.

 

The Inquisitor has kind of a flat personality.  The snarky answers seem most interesting.

 

The dialogue choices (see above).  Could be more varied.

 

The villain - I can only hope the larger threat will be fleshed out in a DLC or expansion

 

Things I don't like (I'm hesitant to say "hate" here):

 

The fact that our choices really don't seem to matter at all, nothing like they did in DA:O where you could have so many different outcomes throughout and in the end.  All of the war table quests, some side quests, and dialog choices really don't seem to have any impact on the outcome.  You battle Cory, you win!  That's it.  You might have some disgruntled companions but again that doesn't seem to affect the Inquisition's standing.

 

Each map area is so freakin' huge, it's overwhelming.  I don't think it's smart to have a main story so short and the additional world so large in comparison.  

 

Loot is awful and almost always under your current level, why?  It's a disincentive to explore.

 

Crafting is tedious and difficult - why can't I see the schematic level range when I'm purchasing or picking up?

 

The inventory menu is clunky and disorganized, and why bother animating armors on people that can't wear them?  Why can't I sort?

 

I have about 300 hours into Skyrim.  IMO that gave you incentive to explore after the main story because you knew that around the corner or in that cave, you would probably find some really good **** or stumble into some weird ritual that could send you into Oblivion or whatever.  In this game once I finished I thought "What's the point? I've already beaten the threat".  Let's hope DA:I has some great DLC's or expansions that will rectify some of these issues.  Maybe Skyhold will eventually be attacked, who knows?

[Weltall]

Oh oops, I'm sorry. I never meant to imply you have no experience. I meant to say that this specific game bogs you down because you need do certain things for that power. First few times, not a big deal but as you play or at least for me it was like OMG not this again!. You may find your power hungry male has to do things that won't fit with who he is. That's how I see it anyway. You get points from making the place safe and helping people but how is that in line with a power hungry male? You need those points to move forward. You have to get them. See what I mean? That's always there as a shadow over the game. You have to figure out what you need and do just that. And that means to a degree helping a few people. You will need power for quests and power for opening locations. Locations are cheaper than quests. Quests seem to cost around 20 for some of them. Locations usually 4-8 I think. Maybe you could roll just doing rifts. I'm not sure if that's enough. I always had more because I wanted to open areas before I needed them in case I wanted to go in a different order.

I suppose you could compensate for that by making a few dozen resource bundles.