There is something wonderful about the Game. I loved Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts so much because of it, and kind of hope we'll get to experience more of the Game by way of DLC. Hopefully in Val Royeaux itself. Maybe at the Divine's coronation? Ooh, I like that idea.
Aside from her being rather shallow. She's mainly with the inquisition for political gain. She says "we need the circles" and wants to keep them in their current state, not because she actually believes in them, but because that's where the heart of her power is. If the circle is gone, she's irrelevant again. She plays yes man for the chantry and says the other mages should just stay in their place. While simultaneously she's running around in a huge palace mingling with the nobility and basically getting free reign to do whatever she wants. She says "Mages are dangerous" then will use her magic against civilians over petty gripes just to make herself look more dangerous and intimidating. She's a hypocrite, she's manipulative, and she cares primarily for her own political power.
Her arguing with Solas 100% of the time constantly talking down to him like she knows so much more, and all the while she's actually talking to a god basically sums up her character. She's blindly arrogant.
All that being said, I don't really hate her.
When did she use her magic against civilians? I'm pretty sure if she did that, her reputation would be ruined.
And who cares if she is helping the Inquisition for "selfish reasons"? I'll tell you a secret: While vacationing in Greece, I gave money to the poorest people I came across not only because I felt bad for them and wanted to help, but also because I wanted to feel good about myself help. Its ultimately selfish if you believe its only the thought that counts, but I helped anyway. Vivienne may be helping herself, but she benefits everyone by succeeding.
Not to mention, Solas being a god... Who cares. That dude still gets rekt if his barrier isn't up and someone decides to punch him. "God" doesn't necessarily mean powerful... And as we saw at the end, he admitted he screwed up and failed the people and was too weak to unlock the orb. He is far from our perception of godlike.
My dear Vordish,
First of all I must mention that I deeply regret stumbling upon this thread while perusing these dreadful 'forums', if one might even call them that, and finding it to be so full of hostile comments towards my character. Truly, it pains my heart to witness such an impugnation on a website that, as far as I've been told, is for the fans of BioWare's work and its characters. It especially saddens me seeing that an esteemed member of the online sphere like yourself would spread such bitter and jaundiced comments about me, right when we all find ourselves in perilous times. After all, it seems that those aspiring to godhood have tried so hard to achieve their goal, that they left nothing but death and ruin in their wake.
Tried and failed, I must remind you, for it was the Inquisition that stopped this threat. An organization of which I am a part, my dear, as you very well know. Since we've reached the subject, it occurs to me; why would such a prestigious ally in the war against Corypheus, for that is the name the threat has evidently been given, care for the, quite frankly yawn-inducing opinions of an individual such as yourself? I see no accomplishment on your behalf, besides being able to use words such as 'loathing' and ' despicable' in coherent sentences, a feat rarely seen on forums such as this one. But then, evidently, there's your absolutely atrocious use of interpunction and the unforgivable absence of an apostrophe. I'll leave it up to you to figure out where exactly this horrible incident occurs.
Most sincerely,
"that B*** Vivienne",
more commonly known as
Madame de Fer
Damn. You flat out WIN.
wait what?
I thought he just watched.
He did it?
he did just watch
When did she use her magic against civilians? I'm pretty sure if she did that, her reputation would be ruined.
The only "civilian" I can recall that she uses her magic against is an ornery, armed Orlesian that had full intention to fight not only her guest, but an agent of the Inquisition to the death right outside her home
And who cares if she is helping the Inquisition for "selfish reasons"? I'll tell you a secret: While vacationing in Greece, I gave money to the poorest people I came across not only because I felt bad for them and wanted to help, but also because I wanted to feel good about myself help. Its ultimately selfish if you believe its only the thought that counts, but I helped anyway. Vivienne may be helping herself, but she benefits everyone by succeeding.
I agree, and I don't quite get the objections to her being there for her own purposes. I couldn't fault anyone for that, because what's the harm in a mutually beneficial arrangement? If in helping the Inquisition to vanquish evil, she hopes to advance politically, then her motivations are now an asset. In any case, I don't believe in altruism anyway. I think we're all out to benefit ourselves in some way or another, and I don't think that should be a bad thing, so long as we can keep it all in perspective and not have it become a direct detriment to others. If in Vivienne's machinations to gain power, she was somehow undermining the authority of the Inquisitor, then it would be a problem, but it clearly isn't.
Not to mention, Solas being a god... Who cares. That dude still gets rekt if his barrier isn't up and someone decides to punch him. "God" doesn't necessarily mean powerful... And as we saw at the end, he admitted he screwed up and failed the people and was too weak to unlock the orb. He is far from our perception of godlike.
I would love to see how Vivienne were to react if she ever found out what Solas is, and what he did. I imagine being a colossal screwup would make her feel a little vindicated.
Yes, that is true. I've also been thinking about the possibility that the heart wasn't actually intended as a cure, but as poison. Maybe Vivienne and Bastien had agreed that the disease was too much for him,and he was suffering. It had to end, and the disease was incurable anyway. So they planned to 'put him out his misery', if you will. When Vivienne gives him the potion, the Duke does seem like he's at peace with death.
"It will be alright, my love."
And afterwards, Vivienne makes it so that the Duke's immediate family feels like the Inquisitor tried to save him, and she establishes a connection between them and the Inquisition to give it more power.
Um no. You have the option of giving her a normal wyverns heart which means he doesn't wake up and just dies, if you give her he special wyvern heart he wakes up for awhile to speak a few words before he dies.
I thought that if you give her a normal heart she recognizes the fraud immediately and the quest ends there. Could be that I misread it, though, as I haven't actually done the quest when going that route.
It's been pointed out to me as well that there is a codex entry mentioning the healing effects of a Snowy Wyvern's heart. Which makes it very unlikely that my post, which you quoted, is plausible. All things considered however, I do think she recognized how the circumstances could help the Inquisition gain power.
I raised her from the lowest Companion-spot on my list a bit upwards after her personal quest showed me she has some kind of heart. But other than that I am not much of a fan of Viv. Mostly disagree everytime she opens her mouth, sometimes only for the sake to disagree with her. A lot like with Kreia from Kotor2 for me...
But she is truly the mistress of Boobmancy. I am sure not even the old Magisters knew of a way to show so much cleavage without them popping out at some point.
And Viv is also the first lucky candidate that could massively profit from a hair DLC or Mod...(2nd is Duchess Florienne, the old ugly biatch, I had to DANCE with her! Still traumatic ....)
P.S. Lowest rank now is dear Cole, our boy from the fade...how annoying can one char be ... and this hat of yours, Cole, just stay in the attic and play pranks on the mice ...
he did just watch
Okay good. Because if he had done it he'd go on my kill it with fire list so fast.
Okay good. Because if he had done it he'd go on my kill it with fire list so fast.
Eh, he knew the kids where there and still didn't call off the attack. This is proven by Cole(which means he lied yet again in his cell)
He's a selfish ****** who has no business to judge anyone.
And Viv is also the first lucky candidate that could massively profit from a hair DLC or Mod...
NO
I like Viv. If you're friendly with her she becomes a very motherly figure toward your Inquisitor and is generally concerned about them.
At her core she's just an incredibly Ambitious Woman that worked hard for where she is and will continue to work hard to hold onto what she has.
Sure she's horrible with people like Sera (No better than a cutpurse in her eyes) and Blackwall (who is a lying murderous git) but that's because they do little to earn her respect and have a tendency to prove her right as the game progresses.
She had such a badass introduction too!
This.
My only complaint about her is that she doesn't throw more extravagant parties for you to attend.
And this!
So out of curiosity, you know how in the viv intro scene at the party she gives you the chance to kill the little turd that's insulting you? Well, the decision bar flashes like it does with important decisions, but does anything actually happen in the game one way or another? I've always just spared the guy but I've wondered if anything happens if you kill him.
So out of curiosity, you know how in the viv intro scene at the party she gives you the chance to kill the little turd that's insulting you? Well, the decision bar flashes like it does with important decisions, but does anything actually happen in the game one way or another? I've always just spared the guy but I've wondered if anything happens if you kill him.
You rid Thedas of a stinky Orlaisian.
You rid Thedas of a stinky Orlaisian.
lol well-played 
I personally can't stand her. I hate every one of views and opinions to the point I can't even role play enough to gain her approval. And this is my second time through the game. And it's too bad because her intro is awesome. Then I got back to Haven and spoke with her...
I agree with this ^^^ Trouble is, she's damn useful in a fight (resurgence and other KE abilities). So I recruit her and just agree with all her Pro-circle, Pro-templar, Pro-chantry BS and mash the ESC button to speed through the responses. Garner massive approval with her in spite of your future choices.
lol well-played
I agree with this ^^^ Trouble is, she's damn useful in a fight (resurgence and other KE abilities). So I recruit her and just agree with all her Pro-circle, Pro-templar, Pro-chantry BS and mash the ESC button to speed through the responses. Garner massive approval with her in spite of your future choices.
Bah I like Viv as a game character, her comebacks are rather hilarious, especially when Sera is calling her evil after that xD, and her tongue is as sharp as Morrigan's. Probably would hated the guts of her if she was real but w/e.
Eh, he knew the kids where there and still didn't call off the attack. This is proven by Cole(which means he lied yet again in his cell)
He's a selfish ****** who has no business to judge anyone.
I'm going to assume he's frozen in horror at that point.
Oh believe me I agree it makes his high horse when it comes to some of Quizzy's decisions utterly laughable.
I'm doing fine now on NM with Dorian and myself as mages lol. Maybe one of these times I'll do as you mention above just for the sake of completionism.
yea idk. I butted heads with viv on one playthrough and I was just never able to recover from it. I kept the relationship tepid at best.
I wanted to strangle her the entire game.
Her entrance was amazing. I was so excited to add her to my party! I ran back to Haven and had a chat with her- and instantly, she's a ******. She treated my elf mage like a dull-witted, dirty, lowly elven servant not worthy of her time. No matter how many times I tried to have a civil chat. She was even nasty to me after I helped her with her stupid potion.
I spent every interaction with her wanting to shove her off the balcony.
So I've heard this from other people with elven mage inquisitors. This has got to be an elf thing because she was chummy chummy with my human mage when I picked agreeable dialogue.
Jeeze. Now I want to roll as an elf for a couple hours just to see what happens.
If you hate her its not a bad thing. You aren't going to like every follower.
I made the mistake of inviting her in my first play through.
Believe me, that mistake was not repeated in subsequent playthroughs. It's profoundly satisfying telling her to go f*** herself and not let her in the Inquisition. Make a name for yourself on someone else's coat tails, ***********.
Enjoy being the Orleasian court jester. Me and mine are gonna go save the world. B****.
Modifié par Craig Graff, 14 décembre 2014 - 08:10 .
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The thing didn't even look like a proper wyvern and certainly wasn't a beast that would need a company of chevaliers to be slain. IMO.
So yes, I definitely think she knew the heart wouldn't save him. It all just seemed a way to get in good graces with the Duke's sister and son. That's definitely whatI thought it was when she had the two come to Skyhold and meet the Inquisitor.
Or maybe she thought the heart could save the Duke and she just tried to make the best of his death. But I'm not so sure of that.
I don't know, she seemed pretty devastated by his death. Sure, she's not going to start moping about it, but that doesn't mean she doesn't care.
So out of curiosity, you know how in the viv intro scene at the party she gives you the chance to kill the little turd that's insulting you? Well, the decision bar flashes like it does with important decisions, but does anything actually happen in the game one way or another? I've always just spared the guy but I've wondered if anything happens if you kill him.
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