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[BloodyTalon]

I found her more like a kindly grandmother type then a a snake or the like, even with some disagreements she still keeps things polite and looks after you.

[Roninbarista]

I made the mistake of inviting her in my first play through.
 
Believe me, that mistake was not repeated in subsequent playthroughs.  It's profoundly satisfying telling her to go f*** herself and not let her in the Inquisition.  Make a name for yourself on someone else's coat tails, ***********.
 
Enjoy being the Orleasian court jester.  Me and mine are gonna go save the world.  B*tch.

You use that kind of language, and then call Vivienne out for her behavior?

[Trickshaw]

You use that kind of language, and then call Vivienne out for her behavior?

 

See my avatar?

 

<<-----

 

That's my care face.  Get a good look.

[Roninbarista]

True intelligence and quality in its finest form. It's wealth, depth and maturity underwhelms me greatly.

I digress.

[DemGeth]

She stole my furniture so I went and killed that wyvern and sold the heart.

[hellbiter88]

See my avatar?

 

<<-----

 

That's my care face.  Get a good look.

 

lol haha this is funny

[Trickshaw]

She stole my furniture so I went and killed that wyvern and sold the heart.

 

lol'd

[DLaren]

I'm used to my character being the one who inspires others, but her confidence in herself is infectious and unmatched -- when she's in my party I just feel safer...like no matter what happens, she'll get us through it.

 

She should have been the Inquisitor, and I, her humble tag-along.

[Lost Mercenary]

I was not a fan of Viv. She was well written, no question about that but after you give the Mages a full alliance she is constantly at odds with you and is just making fun of you for your supposed idiocy. She is not even willing to look at anyone else's point of view on the matter other than her own. She is right. You are wrong. That's all that matters to her.

[Capeo]

I was not a fan of Viv. She was well written, no question about that but after you give the Mages a full alliance she is constantly at odds with you and is just making fun of you for your supposed idiocy. She is not even willing to look at anyone else's point of view on the matter other than her own. She is right. You are wrong. That's all that matters to her.

Precisely. You can disagree with other characters about the chantry, religion, etc and unless you're a complete ass to them they at least consider your words. Viv on the other hand is obnoxiously snide and condescending.

[PhoenixDasma]

First of all, I despise Vivienne. I totally agree with this thread. 

 

Second of all, even though I hate her, I still think that she is a well written character.

 

A lot of people failed to see Vivienne as an insecure woman. Most people who blindly follows her cannot grasp her truth. Contrary to what some people say or believe, she is NOT a confident or secure woman.  

 

Insecurity rears its ugly head in a number of ways: jealousy, controlling personalities, condescending remarks, criticism, and even physical violence. 

 

Many people fail to understand that the arrogant person, the "know-it-all", the heckler, as well as both the verbal and the physical bully are actually very insecure at heart. These people's desire to constantly trump, "one up", out do, compete with, make fun of, push around, or endlessly argue with others simply highlights their need to place themselves above others.

 

Ironically, Vivienne's need to outshine or rise above people is the very thing which gives her well masked insecurities away.

 

True confidence is expressed in a relaxed disposition, not in a hostile or demeaning one. True confidence is expressed naturally by not having a need to express it at all. The truly confident woman has no need to posture or postulate. 

 

The sad truth is that people who like Vivienne's personality and facade are the insecure people who are drawn to her arrogance in which people unwittingly mistakes for bold confidence.

 

No self-confident, self-resepecting person would put up with a person like Vivienne (if she was real). 

 

Overall, I like the way Vivienne is written. However, I would rather not have her in my inner circle. 

 

Reference:

http://www.thorinpre...ays/insecurity/

 

 

 

 

[DetcelferVisionary]

I was not a fan of Viv. She was well written, no question about that but after you give the Mages a full alliance she is constantly at odds with you and is just making fun of you for your supposed idiocy. She is not even willing to look at anyone else's point of view on the matter other than her own. She is right. You are wrong. That's all that matters to her.

 

That is because she IS right...  and you ARE wrong my dear.   She makes the most compelling arguments in the story as to why the circle must exist and why it would be a travesty to have world without it.  Untrained and unprotected mages are like 5 year olds walking around with a loaded gun.  Funny enough,  perhaps it is you who isn't willing to look at another point of view?

[Ryzaki]

Me and Vivi got along great.

 

Even when I conscripted the templars.

[DemGeth]

Me and Vivi got along great.

Even when I conscripted the templars.

Well yeah she gets along great with Templars.

[Teddie Sage]

At least Blackwall redeemed himself and isn't a thug anymore.

[TheJiveDJ]

I find Vivienne intelligent, but utterly intolerable at times. Shes overly defensive and shes got a wicked tongue...which actually makes her come across as very insecure, IMO, instead of confident.

[Petiertje]

Leave Vivienne alone!

 

Alright, I will do just that. 

[Massa FX]

Hilarious thread!  Thank you. -Viv is sublime in game. She's rude, bossy, snide and all around adorable! I love her for her strength of character and absolute conviction that her way is the only correct way of being. My Inq's clash with her, but we are never bored of her. I especially love how she takes the Bull by the horns and makes him a kitten.

[Kirikou]

I was not a fan of Viv. She was well written, no question about that but after you give the Mages a full alliance she is constantly at odds with you and is just making fun of you for your supposed idiocy. She is not even willing to look at anyone else's point of view on the matter other than her own. She is right. You are wrong. That's all that matters to her.

Uh I gave the Mages their freedom and she still liked me and considered us friends. It's quite easy to be on her good side.

[Angloassassin]

That is because she IS right...  and you ARE wrong my dear.   She makes the most compelling arguments in the story as to why the circle must exist and why it would be a travesty to have world without it.  Untrained and unprotected mages are like 5 year olds walking around with a loaded gun.  Funny enough,  perhaps it is you who isn't willing to look at another point of view?

 

While that is true, you don't teach someone to fear it - you teach them to understand it. Did Morrigan turn out bad for not being trained in the Circle? I'd argue her, and Solas are the two examples for Non-Circle Mages that are in control of their magic. Both of them make mistakes, but to err is human. Not mage-specific either.

 

Personally, she's disillusioned to Circle Life, because she uses her political leanings to make things more cushy for herself, and to get more freedoms. She believes that everyone else has to play The Game to earn the same, and when Morrigan swoops in as an "Unwashed, Untrained Apostate." Yet still does arguably as good/a better job that Viv could have done.

 

She is masterfully written, but inherently flawed. Her dependence on the Status Quo to maintain her relevance and cushy lifestyle. Where you get Dorian, trying to set an example that Not all Tevinters are blood-magic sociopaths. Solas (Who's admittedly as selfish as Viv, for very different reasons), who's an Elven apostate, willingly joining an organisation that's supposed to go hand-in-hand with the Chantry, Endangering himself.

 

Like if you speak to him during the "Drinking Tea'' cinematic and he mentions wanting to run away before they were going to execute him.

 

 

People who like Viv are okay in my book, People who Dislike Viv Are okay in my book.

 

Viv, however - is not okay in my book.

[EmissaryofLies]

While that is true, you don't teach someone to fear it - you teach them to understand it. Did Morrigan turn out bad for not being trained in the Circle? I'd argue her, and Solas are the two examples for Non-Circle Mages that are in control of their magic. Both of them make mistakes, but to err is human. Not mage-specific either.

 

Personally, she's disillusioned to Circle Life, because she uses her political leanings to make things more cushy for herself, and to get more freedoms. She believes that everyone else has to play The Game to earn the same, and when Morrigan swoops in as an "Unwashed, Untrained Apostate." Yet still does arguably as good/a better job that Viv could have done.

 

She is masterfully written, but inherently flawed. Her dependence on the Status Quo to maintain her relevance and cushy lifestyle. Where you get Dorian, trying to set an example that Not all Tevinters are blood-magic sociopaths. Solas (Who's admittedly as selfish as Viv, for very different reasons), who's an Elven apostate, willingly joining an organisation that's supposed to go hand-in-hand with the Chantry, Endangering himself.

 

Like if you speak to him during the "Drinking Tea'' cinematic and he mentions wanting to run away before they were going to execute him.

 

 

People who like Viv are okay in my book, People who Dislike Viv Are okay in my book.

 

Viv, however - is not okay in my book.

 

Bravo.

 

I especially enjoyed the part where your dislike for her can't be summed up as "she opposes me. Therefore she is bad".

[Veloric Wu]

My dear Vordish,

First of all I must mention that I deeply regret stumbling upon this thread while perusing these dreadful 'forums', if one might even call them that, and finding it to be so full of hostile comments towards my character. Truly, it pains my heart to witness such an impugnation on a website that, as far as I've been told, is for the fans of BioWare's work and its characters. It especially saddens me seeing that an esteemed member of the online sphere like yourself would spread such bitter and jaundiced comments about me, right when we all find ourselves in perilous times. After all, it seems that those aspiring to godhood have tried so hard to achieve their goal, that they left nothing but death and ruin in their wake.

Tried and failed, I must remind you, for it was the Inquisition that stopped this threat. An organization of which I am a part, my dear, as you very well know. Since we've reached the subject, it occurs to me; why would such a prestigious ally in the war against Corypheus, for that is the name the threat has evidently been given, care for the, quite frankly yawn-inducing opinions of an individual such as yourself? I see no accomplishment on your behalf, besides being able to use words such as 'loathing' and 'despicable' in coherent sentences, a feat rarely seen on forums such as this one. But then, evidently, there's your absolutely atrocious use of interpunction and the unforgivable absence of an apostrophe. I'll leave it up to you to figure out where exactly this horrible incident occurs.

Most sincerely,

"that B*** Vivienne",
more commonly known as

Madame de Fer

 

This guy needs to write for a Vivienne DLC, which is now going on my top wish list for BioWare's XMas gift alongside Solas' post-ending DLC 

[Mihura]

First of all, I despise Vivienne. I totally agree with this thread. 

 

Second of all, even though I hate her, I still think that she is a well written character.

 

A lot of people failed to see Vivienne as an insecure woman. Most people who blindly follows her cannot grasp her truth. Contrary to what some people say or believe, she is NOT a confident or secure woman.  

 

Insecurity rears its ugly head in a number of ways: jealousy, controlling personalities, condescending remarks, criticism, and even physical violence. 

 

Many people fail to understand that the arrogant person, the "know-it-all", the heckler, as well as both the verbal and the physical bully are actually very insecure at heart. These people's desire to constantly trump, "one up", out do, compete with, make fun of, push around, or endlessly argue with others simply highlights their need to place themselves above others.

 

Ironically, Vivienne's need to outshine or rise above people is the very thing which gives her well masked insecurities away.

 

True confidence is expressed in a relaxed disposition, not in a hostile or demeaning one. True confidence is expressed naturally by not having a need to express it at all. The truly confident woman has no need to posture or postulate. 

 

The sad truth is that people who like Vivienne's personality and facade are the insecure people who are drawn to her arrogance in which people unwittingly mistakes for bold confidence.

 

No self-confident, self-resepecting person would put up with a person like Vivienne (if she was real). 

 

Overall, I like the way Vivienne is written. However, I would rather not have her in my inner circle. 

 

Reference:

http://www.thorinpre...ays/insecurity/

 

 

Hum no, Vivienne is indeed insecure and afraid, also knows away to well what is to be a mage in the circle. She is an ambitious woman who lives in Orlais, which would make sense that most of her exterior is only a protection. Her arrogance is a tool for the Game, where either you play or die. If you hate Vivienne than you have to hate all of Orlais.

 

People are drawn to her and have a degree of respect for many reasons, she does not pretend that mages are just like everyone, mages can be dangerous and need to learn to control their talents. If you talk with Connor you can see the true extent of the fear that mages need to dealt on a daily bases and why some would prefer to be in the tower. Also see Bethany in DA 2.

Vivienne does care about them as people and would prefer if they did not die but an alliance with Tevinter to me is a huge dealt breaker. And she is right.  

I also do not share Vivienne views about the abuse a lot suffered, she says it is not that common but I doubt it. She was fortunate to be in Orlais and not in Kirkwall. The Circle had problems and even Cassandra acknowledge that, the Seekers could had done something to change things and they did not.

[Ascendra]

Me and Vivi got along great.

 

Even when I conscripted the templars.

 

Same here, I did ally with Templars though and that got a lot of her approval.

Just shows how well she is written. People either hate her or love her. I personally love her.

[TheLittleBird]

I don't know, she seemed pretty devastated by his death. Sure, she's not going to start moping about it, but that doesn't mean she doesn't care.

 

Oh, she did, but I never said otherwise. One can still be devastated by something yet make the most of it at the same time. Vivienne excels in such a situation, as her personal quest clearly shows.

 

This guy needs to write for a Vivienne DLC, which is now going on my top wish list for BioWare's XMas gift alongside Solas' post-ending DLC 

 

You give me too much credit. It was all Madame de Fer, for which we have Mary Kirby to thank. Viv is so brilliantly written that her... manner of speech is quite inspiring. 

 

Though I won't take a compliment like that for granted (you flatter me, really). Thank you