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[Shahadem]

It saddens me though that her personal quest felt a bit.. short. It may be that I killed the Snowy Wyvern when i was quite a relatively high level, making for a very easy kill. or maybe it's just because I'm spoiled and want more. Possibly both. 

 

What did she even do with it? Use it to make a poison that made her lover drink so he'd die? And I love how I kept asking her what it was for and she kept throwing a hissy fit (remind you of anyone from DA2? <cough> Anders <cough>). Then when I give it to her she lets me come along when she uses it to murder her lover...Why not just tell me that right off the bat when I asked? Why didn't I get to arrest and execute her for killing for noble?

[Ashagar]

You  assuming he wasn't already dying. I believe the potion was supposed to save his live but all it did was wake him up long enough that he gave some final words. Its honestly the closest she comes to openly showing emotion because his death hits her hard but to show that would be suicide in the game.

[Andreas Amell]

So you're agreeing with me, or trying to point something else out entirely? Her goal is to maintain the status quo. Leliana and Cassandra will both express the need of the system to change, even before the Divine decision comes up. You can get this from both of them in Haven. Viv wants it to stay like it is, so she can continue her lifestyle, getting to be Divine just sweetens the deal, I'd imagine, since she hasn't gotten that role in my saves, as of yet, anyway.

Leliana and Cassandra have been through adventures where they questioned the status quo. Vivienne worked her way up within the confines of the status quo and became successful, turning the position of court enchanter to something more than a joke. She already pointed out that not all Circles were the same. Kirkwall was by far the worst, but it shouldn't have been the proof they needed to break up the system, in her opinion. In fact, all the past blood mage encounters give a strong support for the need for Circles rather than the opposite.

[Emmy]

I used to like her until she started bashing my companions in party banter. Additionally, her point of view is so egotistical and skewed to for looks and presentation. She got under my skin in the Exalted Plains when she was talking to Blackwall. 

[robertthebard]

Leliana and Cassandra have been through adventures where they questioned the status quo. Vivienne worked her way up within the confines of the status quo and became successful, turning the position of court enchanter to something more than a joke. She already pointed out that not all Circles were the same. Kirkwall was by far the worst, but it shouldn't have been the proof they needed to break up the system, in her opinion. In fact, all the past blood mage encounters give a strong support for the need for Circles rather than the opposite.

Which comes full circle to what I initially said that got us in this exchange: She wants to maintain the status quo because she's living like a queen under it, and who wouldn't want to keep that.

There's nothing overtly wrong with that, if it were me, I'd want to maintain it too. Under the Status Quo, she's not really living under the rules of the Circle, or even under the rules of the Chantry concerning magic. To wit:

How we're introduced. She freezes mouthy boy, and, if you demand it, will kill him with magic. The only person being "served" is the Herald, since you can let her deal with him, and he embarrasses him and sends him on his way, but it is an option.

She can become Divine. Mages aren't allowed to hold titles or land in southern Thedas, because that's magic ruling over man. So by becoming Divine, she not only doesn't preserve the Status Quo, she turns the whole thing on it's head. I don't know what happens in the epilogue screens if she becomes Divine, as I said, she hasn't gotten that yet, but that's a pretty glaring change to the Status Quo.

[MrGDL87]

As a person who loves Vivienne as a character, I don't know why I entered this topic (a glutton for punishment, I suppose ) but I am glad I did. The Vivienne support posts on the first page are fantastic.

 

I absolutely love the post by TheLittleBird. Using a letter addressed to the OP written in Vivienne's style was pure genius. The tone was spot on. It's the best post I've read in a while and I would give you 1000+ likes if I could   

[Lucrece]

Which comes full circle to what I initially said that got us in this exchange: She wants to maintain the status quo because she's living like a queen under it, and who wouldn't want to keep that.

There's nothing overtly wrong with that, if it were me, I'd want to maintain it too. Under the Status Quo, she's not really living under the rules of the Circle, or even under the rules of the Chantry concerning magic. To wit:

How we're introduced. She freezes mouthy boy, and, if you demand it, will kill him with magic. The only person being "served" is the Herald, since you can let her deal with him, and he embarrasses him and sends him on his way, but it is an option.

She can become Divine. Mages aren't allowed to hold titles or land in southern Thedas, because that's magic ruling over man. So by becoming Divine, she not only doesn't preserve the Status Quo, she turns the whole thing on it's head. I don't know what happens in the epilogue screens if she becomes Divine, as I said, she hasn't gotten that yet, but that's a pretty glaring change to the Status Quo.

 

 

Ironically if she becomes Divine, it's as bloody an outcome as a hardened Leliana. Some mages rise within the circle and can hold titles and lands, but the game tells you "the true power resides with her", including the Templar Order she recreates leashed to her. Basically a supreme mage who can use templars to shut down any rivals/dissenters.

 

So she was doing all this talk about restoring order but her Divine outcome results in a war that she only wins through your support as the Inquisition.

 

And you can be sure the mages holding titles and land are part of the aristocracy. For the common mage few things change.

 

Why would anyone want to put such a superficial woman as the spiritual guide of the world? She looks down on commoners, is obsessed with appearances, and outside allowing mages to join the aristocracy few changes.

 

Unlike Leliana she doesn't open the Chantry to all races or dedicate the Chantry to the poor and charity like Cassandra and Leliana do.

[TheLittleBird]

As a person who loves Vivienne as a character, I don't know why I entered this topic (a glutton for punishment, I suppose ) but I am glad I did. The Vivienne support posts on the first page are fantastic.

 

I absolutely love the post by TheLittleBird. Using a letter addressed to the OP written in Vivienne's style was pure genius. The tone was spot on. It's the best post I've read in a while and I would give you 1000+ likes if I could   

 

Oh, thank you Mary Kirby really wrote a great character, and as one who likes to write the occasional (fan)fiction Vivienne's tone is extremely interesting. I just couldn't pass up on this opportunity.

 

Leliana and Cassandra have been through adventures where they questioned the status quo. Vivienne worked her way up within the confines of the status quo and became successful, turning the position of court enchanter to something more than a joke. She already pointed out that not all Circles were the same. Kirkwall was by far the worst, but it shouldn't have been the proof they needed to break up the system, in her opinion. In fact, all the past blood mage encounters give a strong support for the need for Circles rather than the opposite.

 

Vivienne's views on it all are certainly very interesting, and I agree with a lot of them. But yes, what she thinks is very much based on personal experience. Evidently. I myself wouldn't make her Divine, simply because giving the Sunburst Throne to a mage seems like an extremely terrible idea, but if any mage were to get, Vivienne is the best there is.

 

I might have made her Divine if she weren't a mage, though.

[Draining Dragon]

To clarify, did she poison the duke or try to cure him but fail? I was confused by that part.

[TheLittleBird]

To clarify, did she poison the duke or try to cure him but fail? I was confused by that part.

 

I actually theorized she might have poisoned him (with him actually wanting her to), but it's been pointed out to me that if you give her the fake heart, the Duke dies without waking up. Plus, the book you find in her room during the quest points out the healing capabilities of a Snowy Wyvern's heart.

 

So it seems like she tried to cure him, but failed.

[Gaylonn]

Vivienne is one of my favorite characters in DA:I.   Her banter with other party members always cracks me up....cause 99% of the time she is right about them. 

 

Her views on the Mages/Templars is the most reasonable and most inline with nine.

 

The voice work is among the best in the game.

 

I only with she would not turn me down every time I select that heart option

 

Also wish she had been given a "larger" part when going The Ball.

 

 

AND BEST OF ALL..........she hates Sera and Blackwall.

[TheLittleBird]

Vivienne is one of my favorite characters in DA:I.   Her banter with other party members always cracks me up....cause 99% of the time she is right about them. 

 

Her views on the Mages/Templars is the most reasonable and most inline with nine.

 

The voice work is among the best in the game.

 

I only with she would not turn me down every time I select that heart option

 

Also wish she had been given a "larger" part when going The Ball.

 

 

AND BEST OF ALL..........she hates Sera and Blackwall.

 

That is my major... negative when it comes to the character of Vivienne. She needs more screen-time. I mean, Iron Bull is such a great companion in part because he actually has a reaction to you going to fight a dragon, and the scene where he wants to celebrate with you is among the best in the entire game. I'd have loved to see Vivienne get a scene of her own, especially considering her advisory role in the Imperial Court. Maybe a special interaction with Celene (or Duchess Florianne, or Gaspard)? Or, you know what... that moment when Morrigan comes to talk to you in the ballroom? I'd love to have seen Vivienne interact with Morrigan then, maybe right after the scene ends. Just to give some extra content to the people that decided to bring Madame de Fer.

[Lord of Mu]

I rather like Vivienne, she is a greater counter point to the likes of Anders and Morrigan from the previous games. It's also worth noting that almost every member of the Inquisition has a rough edge of some kind, seeing how they mesh and change is one of the amazing parts of these games.

[Gonzo]

She has some good points, but i cant help myself, i always percieve her attempts to maintain the status quo as attempts to keep her position of power. That said, her VA is great, and her personal quest is kinda sweet, and i loved the "i hates you but i respect you" relationship she had with my inquisitor.

[Pewps]

The most annoying thing about Vivienne is that the developers completely failed on the Inquisitor's dialogue with her. She asks you a few times where you stand on the mage vs. templar debate and you get to make a simple statement of "the mages need their freedom" or " the templars failed", at which point she gets to rebut and the Inquisitor just has to take it. 

 

I SHOULD be able to say that the status quo clearly isn't working. I SHOULD be able to tell her that it's pretty easy for her to judge her fellow mages after she slept her way to relative independence. Instead what I get is my Inquisitor looking like a moron, while Vivienne just magically floats above any and all criticism. 

 

She COULD be a good character, but the fact that I, the protagonist, am completely unable to level any criticism at her makes interacting with her aggravating.

[WildOrchid]

AND BEST OF ALL..........she hates Sera and Blackwall.

 

She doesn't. I have no idea about Blackwall, but she doesn't hate Sera. At all.

In fact, she plays along with her teasings and seems to enjoy it. Vivienne talks to Sera with the same way she talks to others, I had her with me and Sera in missions and nowhere i see "hate" on her part.

 

If you want hate or something, try Cole/Vivienne.

[theluc76]

Just execute her

[Thiefy]

I love her character. She is easily the best companion in the inquisition, both story wise and gameplay wise with her KE tree. 

I love that they made her a stand out character and awesome black woman without falling into the trappings of stereotypes.

She is my BFF in game and I hope I get her for my divine.

 

She doesn't. I have no idea about Blackwall, but she doesn't hate Sera. At all.

In fact, she plays along with her teasings and seems to enjoy it. Vivienne talks to Sera with the same way she talks to others, I had her with me and Sera in missions and nowhere i see "hate" on her part.

 

If you want hate or something, try Cole/Vivienne.

Actually you should see Morrigan vs Vivienne instead. If you take her on "What Pride has Wrought" you get to see it. I'm glad they gave her more screen time for that quest.

[Star Reborn]

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[WildOrchid]

Actually you should see Morrigan vs Vivienne instead. If you take her on "What Pride has Wrought" you get to see it. I'm glad they gave her more screen time for that quest.

 

Ohh? Interesting.

[BroBear Berbil]

I like her. We get along well and I love how she handles Sera.

[BubbleDncr]

I never disliked Viviene. She disliked my first character, but she was charismatic enough that even tho my character didn't agree with her, she almost had me convinced I was wrong and should agree with her.

 

I mostly didn't bring her with me because I was a mage, who was romancing Solas and was bffs with Dorian, so there just wasn't much room for her.

 

My second playthrough is a character who gets along with her, and I bring her a lot of places - and she's amazing when she likes you. Hearing her say, "I always have time for you, darling," just warms my heart.