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[ZoliCs]

Great character that you can both hate and love at the same time. 

 

Well I love hating her

 

Not like some of the DA2 companions that I never want to see again...

[Kantr]

I was talking about this:

 

 

 

 

Which looks like this translated:

inb4 they call you racist, misogynistic and wrong.

 

He DIDN'T call the OP that, but thought someone would.

oh, but his response to teddie made it seem he meant the First post was racist.

 

I havent seen any posts about the colour of her skin or that shes a woman. Just based on her personality

[Myrmedus]

oh, but his response to teddie made it seem he meant the First post was racist.

 

I havent seen any posts about the colour of her skin or that shes a woman. Just based on her personality

She's a ******! There does that satisfy one requirement? =D

[TheLittleBird]

The phrasing was just terrible.

 

I agree with that. It was.

[Teddie Sage]

... And this is why I'm not a people person. 

[uncledolan]

She is a ****** and I have a love hate relationship with her - but I def respect her. Its just too bad you cant romance her because I think there is a softer side, you could tell she really cared about the Duke when he died.

[TheLittleBird]

Why run the chantry thingy then?

 

Because it's awesome, regardless of whether or not you're a people person? xD

[Teddie Sage]

Why run the chantry thingy then?

That's irrelevant to this thread.

[Myrmedus]

I don't see that at all. She has principles. "Magic must serve man. Not rule over him." I think that's important to her.

 

Just because she plays the Game doesn't make her inhuman. It's a flaw of hers, but I see no reason to disparage the whole character.

She doesn't though.

I mean, at some point in the back of her mind she follows that, but every opinion she has whether it be on Mages or outside of it is purely centred around herself. Even the Divine she becomes illustrates this, where all of her machinations are purely to engorge her own power (and it is stated as such).

For example, she found the Circles weren't that bad (probably partially because she was there for a few years) so they're all good. The Game has benefitted her so it's all good.

 

Having strong views and opinions is absolutely OK but it should come with the wisdom of knowing when someone else makes a good case against your beliefs, and even being open to changing them if someone is more enlightened than you are. She is not strong viewed, she is obstinate and ultimately ignorant. She is unable to take in any information that may correct her narrow beliefs and as such is not only often wrong but ignorant to the fact she was wrong. And this is someone who can potentially become Divine - jesus.

 

There is no strength there merely a shell, a wall that she has put up to cover her weak interior. Nothing gets through, even reason or wisdom, because she lacks the strength to evolve or challenge her own beliefs.

Perfect example is her assessment on Cole. She has been taught narrowly by the Circle, thus Cole is a demon. Even when it is shown that Cole is actually a spirit of compassion, nope he's a demon.

Her thoughts: "He's definitely a demon because he has to be a demon because that is what I was taught and no other is more knowledgable about such things than me or those who taught me. He's a demon. It's been shown to me he's not but he is, he must be because if he's not that means I'm wrong. And what else could I be wrong about then? No, he's a demon."

She's actually the opposite of what she appears. She appears strong, she is not. It is a facade, a shell. Just as the Game teaches you to present a mask, she presents a mask all the time.

[Vilegrim]

I actually had to re-read his post for fear that I may have misinterpreted it.  Nope.  Illogical nonsense.

 

Vivianne was without question was morally driven first and foremost, and if it aligned with her ambitions,  all the merrier.  She helped prepare, in her own way, the inquisition for how others might perceive them.  She is the most realistic of the bunch, a strong willed woman who knows what she wants and cares very little about what anyone else thinks.  As well as she should!

 

She is so ambitious I find it repulsive,  but that doesn't mean I don't respect her character a great deal.  Her reasoning for keeping circles,  her shrewd sense of explaining why Cassandra would make the better divine without once mentioning herself was pitch perfect.  Not too much,  but just enough to influence and motivate.  So like her, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

Listening to her verbally rip to shreds anyone who stood in her way was glorious.  I'm going to say it...  think the OP is petrified of a woman who knows what she wants and knows how to get it.

 

 

I can admire her, but I could never like her.  

[ZipZap2000]

 

There's a new 'Rush Hour' in cinemas isn't there?

[Myrmedus]

She didn't say the Circles weren't bad. She said the root of the problem was that all Circles were different. That you could never really know what was going on. And she says Kirkwall was the worst of them.

 

Does anyone even LISTEN to her?

 

If anything, her solution is consolidating the Circles.. to try to make the same experience across the board.

After the first five "dears" and "darlings" no.

But things like inconsistency across the Circles is only scratching the surface, the problem is with the Circles themselves and the Mages would just rebel again eventually. It's a form of imprisonment, regardless of how you want to twist it.

All that being said, it's not even her stance on the Circles that bothers me as I've explained. Having differing opinions is absolutely fine, it's her personality that makes her abhorrent.

[TheLittleBird]

Perfect example is her assessment on Cole. She has been taught narrowly by the Circle, thus Cole is a demon. Even when it is shown that Cole is actually a spirit of compassion, nope he's a demon.

Her thoughts: "He's definitely a demon because he has to be a demon because that is what I was taught and no other is more knowledgable about such things than me or those who taught me. He's a demon. It's been shown to me he's not but he is, he must be because if he's not that means I'm wrong. And what else could I be wrong about then? No, he's a demon."

She's actually the opposite of what she appears. She appears strong, she is not. It is a facade, a shell. Just as the Game teaches you to present a mask, she presents a mask all the time.

 

Yet what lies behind that 'facade', that mask that she presents in true Orlesian fashion, is also a caring person. One that, if inspected close enough, actually seems to care about Cole. yet Vivienne does not want to admit that. Why? Because it's a weakness. In the Game. And when playing the Game, showing a weakness is the equivalent of jumping into the abyss. It will ruin you.

[N7KnightSabre]

I'm not a fan of Madame de Fer, no.  In order for me to become friends with her in the game, I have to basically kiss her butt.  I'd have to pick choices that are so contradictory to what I have believed since Origins just to appease her.  I hate her talking down to me and other characters and her seeing herself as above everyone else.  She wants power in position and she ain't getting it from me.

 

She is a well written character, though, and she has fantastic fashion sense.  All in all, I love hating her.  It just adds to the experience.

[_Motoki_]

She is a ****** and I have a love hate relationship with her - but I def respect her. Its just too bad you cant romance her because I think there is a softer side, you could tell she really cared about the Duke when he died.

 

Or you could interpret the whole thing as an act. She definitely used his passing for her own political advantage and set things up so his devout and influential relatives could see that she got the Herald of Andraste him/her self to help try to save the Duke.

 

I'm certain she knew all along that heart wouldn't save him and the whole thing was an elaborate act to get the pieces together just where she wanted them for her own advantage.

[Amirit]

Bioware,

 

You have apparently designed her character very well to evoke such strong loathing from me concerning this character. I find her to be utterly despicable, rude and downright insulting.

 

Sera said it right; She is a b*****. So did Blackwall. She is a snake.

 

It has been a long while since Ive hated a character so much. Good job on that.

 

/rant off.

 

PS; people made a "slap morrigan" mod for DAO. I want one for this game called "Slap that Bi*** Vivienne"

 

God I wish I could share your passion! I was so looking forward to meet Vivien! Imagined all these conversations we could have, her bi...ing about everything... I think I was expecting Qara with style, instead I've got a young Wynne (yes, I repeat it everywhere) - rumbling and lecturing, merely annoying rather then aggravating. To me she is one of the disappointment of DAI. 

[Vortex13]

I like her, but I was slightly heartbroken that she would not even consider a romance with my Inquisitor.

 

 

WHY MUST YOU TEASE ME WITH HER 'HEART' OPTION BIOWARE?!!

[Roninbarista]

I thought it wasn't a bad thing to dislike or make fun or Orlesians. That's to be be expected. No?

Vivienne plays the game well, and her elitist, pro-Circle views is something I knew before I bought the game. I can't hate her, knowing I included her as a companion after absorbing all the info I could read before playing DAI.

I've siad it before, I don't mind her disagreeing with my character. I don't mind her point of view. I think she's fun, well-written, and occasially grating. She can be quite the sniper with comments and nastiness. There are times when I wish she would turn off the attitude. At least Sera points out that Vivi can't shut the snottiness off. I suppose Orleasians don't let up.

One thing I will say, if Vivienne exudes confidence, and authority. Her viewpoint if very adamant. I suppose that could rub people the wrong way. Furthermore she's a powerful mage, and excellent in the battlefield. In that regards she is valuable and worth suffering through some banter. At least for me.

[TheLittleBird]

Or you could interpret the whole thing as an act. She definitely used his passing for her own political advantage and set things up so his devout and influential relatives could see that she got the Herald of Andraste him/her self to help try to save the Duke.

 

I'm certain she knew all along that heart wouldn't save him and the whole thing was an elaborate act to get the pieces together just where she wanted them for her own advantage.

 

The thing didn't even look like a proper wyvern and certainly wasn't a beast that would need a company of chevaliers to be slain. IMO.

 

So yes, I definitely think she knew the heart wouldn't save him. It all just seemed a way to get in good graces with the Duke's sister and son. That's definitely whatI thought it was when she had the two come to Skyhold and meet the Inquisitor. 

 

Or maybe she thought the heart could save the Duke and she just tried to make the best of his death. But I'm not so sure of that.

[Roninbarista]

My dear Vordish,First of all I must mention that I deeply regret stumbling upon this thread while perusing these dreadful 'forums', if one might even call them that, and finding it to be so full of hostile comments towards my character. Truly, it pains my heart to witness such an impugnation on a website that, as far as I've been told, is for the fans of BioWare's work and its characters. It especially saddens me seeing that an esteemed member of the online sphere like yourself would spread such bitter and jaundiced comments about me, right when we all find ourselves in perilous times. After all, it seems that those aspiring to godhood have tried so hard to achieve their goal, that they left nothing but death and ruin in their wake.Tried and failed, I must remind you, for it was the Inquisition that stopped this threat. An organization of which I am a part, my dear, as you very well know. Since we've reached the subject, it occurs to me; why would such a prestigious ally in the war against Corypheus, for that is the name the threat has evidently been given, care for the, quite frankly yawn-inducing opinions of an individual such as yourself? I see no accomplishment on your behalf, besides being able to use words such as 'loathing' and ' despicable' in coherent sentences, a feat rarely seen on forums such as this one. But then, evidently, there's your absolutely atrocious use of interpunction and the unforgivable absence of an apostrophe. I'll leave it up to you to figure out where exactly this horrible incident occurs.Most sincerely,"that B*** Vivienne",more commonly known asMadame de Fer

This has got to be my favorite post on BSN. Well played. The Game is over, and we have a winner.

[Ashagar]

The thing didn't even look like a proper wyvern and certainly wasn't a beast that would need a company of chevaliers to be slain. IMO.

 

So yes, I definitely think she knew the heart wouldn't save him. It all just seemed a way to get in good graces with the Duke's sister and son. That's definitely whatI thought it was when she had the two come to Skyhold and meet the Inquisitor. 

 

Or maybe she thought the heart could save the Duke and she just tried to make the best of his death. But I'm not so sure of that.

 

Keep in mind how high level you are when you go to kill it though, I was between level 15 and 20 when I did so I could have likely cut down a company of Chevaliers and have time for tea and crumpets afterwards. Having done that Quest I say that the duke death did hit her harder than anything else that's happened but she's not the sort who would show such a thing in public and especially not to someone powerful like the inquisitor.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I don't practically like or dislike Viv, im pretty meh on her, she's stuck between "panto villain" & "sassy black woman who needs no man" also says darling & dear too much to the point of annoyance

[PaganOak]

yes, shes kinda also useless D: