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[MadMaximoff]

Firstly she is part of those Responsible for voting to start the Mage Templar War.

She throws away the Mages Freedom in a heartbeat to Alexius and the Venatori.

She moans and complains when you punish this act of poor Judgement by conscripting the mages.

She complains even harder when you build a Mage tower when you are trying to be accommodating to Mages that are unhappy with their sleeping and studying arrangements.

When Given a choice of Rejoining a circle where all the Mages That rebelled Fears have been put to rest she refuses and tries to start ANOTHER Mage Rebellion.

Fortunately the other mages in this particular play through disowned her as an idiot and returned to the Inquisition and Circles quite happily and prospered.

The more I think about it, the more I realise the Mage Rebellion is Fionas selfish desire to make Southern Thadeas more like Tevinter. She isn't interested in peace, nor respect for Mages, she's more Power Crazed than Cory!

Worst Mage Ever.

 

Edit: To add, people quoting the literature, her Ambition to start a revolt was shown when she tried to Disband the Circle prior to Dragon Age II, she was outvoted as many held Wynne in the highest regard.

 

Following the main events of Dragon Age II, she used the Mages fear of what was happening at Kirkwall to re-establish the vote and won (Wynne was no longer around to be the voice of reason)

 

Other than being Alistairs Mother, Fiona has done nothing but seek open Rebellion and War in the guise of Freedom, I feel DA: I showed her true intentions, she wanted the Mages to be upheld as Superior like they are in Tevinter, unfortunatley for her, most Mages weren't buying into her "Fear Talk" anymore and abandoned her.

 

To add, because of her Selfish actions, Many Tranquil were murdered, she's responsible for a lot of innocent lives being lost.

[Chuvvy]

I think that guy in the mage origin who set himself on fire would like a word with you.

[Sabbatine]

I did not think any of her arguments for mage freedom really made sense (which is a shame because there are several valid options) but when you have a desperate person unable to think of a rational solution you get a disaster... or in this case, the mage rebellion.

[JeffZero]

I think that guy in the mage origin who set himself on fire would like a word with you.

 

If he can casually have a word with the OP whilst aflame I'd argue he's a pretty good mage.

[BronzTrooper]

[MadMaximoff]

I did not think any of her arguments for mage freedom really made sense (which is a shame because there are several valid options) but when you have a desperate person unable to think of a rational solution you get a disaster... or in this case, the mage rebellion.

She is given a rational chance and a fresh slate after guiding mages in the wrong direction, the Mages concerns are heard and the rebuilt circle is exactly what a lot of them want. (More rights, better treatment, Templars as protectors and not jailors)

Fiona just goes off and tries to start another War.

Seems there's a lot more to her quickly accepting Alexiuses offer than first thought.

[KonguZya]

I hated Fiona. My mage Hawke should have been leading the rebellion.

[Marakov7]

Worse than Uldred? Worse than that psycho mage who killed Hawke's mom? Worse than Idunna from DA2? Worse than Coryphydoodle? Yeah, right...

[MadMaximoff]

Worse than Uldred? Worse than that psycho mage who killed Hawke's mom? Worse than Idunna from DA2? Worse than Coryphydoodle? Yeah, right...

Fiona used some of those as an excuse to start the Mage Templar War

[Myusha123]

Eh. Fiona is represented in the books way better from what I'm told.

She's snarkier and essentially she was sexually abused by a Count in I believe Tevinter? Ironically named Count Dorian. No connection. 

Anyway she killed her rapist, begged to join the wardens, took a stand against the Architect when everyone else was indecisive or joining him. 
Then she essentially decided to return to the Mages Circle, being kicked out of the Wardens after the taint in her was somehow removed, and rose to Grand Enchanter. Fiona's vote led to the Rebellion, yes, but this was what mages voted for.

Anyway she's smart enough to go straight to the Inquisition to seek refuge for her people and give it the power necessary to close the Breach. Basically make the Inquisition power, have a good bargaining standpoint, make Mages heroes. 

Time magic fucked her sideways and makes her look lame. Which sucks. She is Alistair's mum.

[MadMaximoff]

Eh. Fiona is represented in the books way better from what I'm told.

She's snarkier and essentially she was sexually abused by a Count in I believe Tevinter? Ironically named Count Dorian. No connection.

Anyway she killed her rapist, begged to join the wardens, took a stand against the Architect when everyone else was indecisive or joining him.
Then she essentially decided to return to the Mages Circle, being kicked out of the Wardens after the taint in her was somehow removed, and rose to Grand Enchanter. Fiona's vote led to the Rebellion, yes, but this was what mages voted for.

Anyway she's smart enough to go straight to the Inquisition to seek refuge for her people and give it the power necessary to close the Breach. Basically make the Inquisition power, have a good bargaining standpoint, make Mages heroes.

Time magic fucked her sideways and makes her look lame. Which sucks. She is Alistair's mum.

It seems Bioware may have been grinding an axe for her since she opts to ignore whatever the new Divine intends except for Freedom (Leliana) in which she still ends up building a mage conclave which may become a threat in future.

Which is precisely against a lot of what the Mages whom have seen what Uncontrolled Magic causes (Connor, Viv, several different former Apostates and Circle members)

Fiona comes off in DA: I as an incredibly selfish and incompetent leader that puts her own desires and vision of mages against the others (why in the Viv as Divine ending, a large bulk of the Mages outright disown her and walk away)

[Myusha123]

It seems Bioware may have been grinding an axe for her since she opts to ignore whatever the new Divine intends except for Freedom (Leliana) in which she still ends up building a mage conclave which may become a threat in future.

Which is precisely against a lot of what the Mages whom have seen what Uncontrolled Magic causes (Connor, Viv, several different former Apostates and Circle members)

Fiona comes off in DA: I as an incredibly selfish and incompetent leader that puts her own desires and vision of mages against the others (why in the Viv as Divine ending, a large bulk of the Mages outright disown her and walk away)

The thing is there's several Divine endings. Consider this.

Vivienne holds the Templars on a leash and the Mages have more responsibilities, more smaller freedoms. Basically lots of good chance here. 
Fiona's Enchanter College could jeopardize Vivienne's plan, and the Mages enjoy the Circle. No need for that College.

Cassandra reestablishes the Templars and Circle. A small reform, but relative same system. Mages might still suffer injustices even if the punishments are harsh. 
Thus an equivalent forms with the Enchanter's College. A belief in Mage Autonomy and it's an issue of importance albeit strife. 

Leliana essentially has the Mages go willy-nilly to govern themselves. 
Fiona creates a solution and a school where free mages can educate themselves and not harm others. 

Depending on your Divine, Fiona can look downright stupid or a godsend for all those untrained mages. 
But her College isn't necessarily uncontrolled magic. It's just Mages governing themselves, an attempt at that. Similar to the Tevinter Imperium but with a whole less blood magic, demon, evil spin to it. 

[Cid Revolution]

I'm pretty sure that honor goes to the Mage I created in DAO. He wanted to use blood magic, but he passes out at the sight of blood, so when he slit his wrist, he fainted and then got body slammed by an ogre. Worst Mage ever.

[Pi2r Epsilon]

If he can casually have a word with the OP whilst aflame I'd argue he's a pretty good mage.

If he can do that, his name is probably Ignus, and we should be wondering how Chris Avellone et al managed to infiltrate Bioware.

[Otter-under-the-mountain]

Really? Even worse than this guy?

 

 

Because last I checked, Fiona didn't escape custody to kiss a girl for the first time and then deliberately spread (false) rumors that she's a blood mage because she thinks it makes her sexier. He's so pathetic, even Isabela wasn't interested.

 

Okay, I concede your point. And least Fiona still has a better haircut.

[Johnsen1972]

And I always thought my Inquisitor was the worst mage ever. Glad there is someone worse 

[SomberXIII]

Woah. There are a lot of mages worse than Fiona. I think the writers couldn't set up her arc for DAI.

[Soulgazer]

Kinda have to disagree with you on some points.

 

 

-She throws away the Mages Freedom in a heartbeat to Alexius and the Venatori.

 

She was faced with Annihilation of both her and all the magi.  Furthermore, the rebal ranks were infiltrated with Venatori agents to spread Tevinter Propaganda.

-She moans and complains when you punish this act of poor Judgement by conscripting the mages.

 

Yes, you just took her people into conscription, I fail to see why you think this is unreasonable.

-She complains even harder when you build a Mage tower when you are trying to be accommodating to Mages that are unhappy with their sleeping and studying arrangements. 

 

Do you have dialogue for this one?  I have never run across this.

-When Given a choice of Rejoining a circle where all the Mages That rebelled Fears have been put to rest she refuses and tries to start ANOTHER Mage Rebellion. 

 

Which fears?  How were their fears and problems with the Circle put to rest.  Besides, the College isn't a rebellion.

[Rake451]

Fiona's an excellent mage, just kind of a shitty leader.

[MadMaximoff]

Kinda have to disagree with you on some points.


-She throws away the Mages Freedom in a heartbeat to Alexius and the Venatori.

She was faced with Annihilation of both her and all the magi. Furthermore, the rebal ranks were infiltrated with Venatori agents to spread Tevinter Propaganda.
-She moans and complains when you punish this act of poor Judgement by conscripting the mages.

Yes, you just took her people into conscription, I fail to see why you think this is unreasonable.
-She complains even harder when you build a Mage tower when you are trying to be accommodating to Mages that are unhappy with their sleeping and studying arrangements.

Do you have dialogue for this one? I have never run across this.

-When Given a choice of Rejoining a circle where all the Mages That rebelled Fears have been put to rest she refuses and tries to start ANOTHER Mage Rebellion.

Which fears? How were their fears and problems with the Circle put to rest. Besides, the College isn't a rebellion.

She didn't build a college in mine just outright tried to start another War.

As for the Conscription it was because she had so quickly thrown them to the Venatori without a thought and I felt she was the wrong person to answer for the Mages since many of the Mages you speak to in Redcliffe are extremely unhappy with her alliance with Tevinter.

The Conscription was with the intent to allow them to make good on their quest for Peace without Fiona as their spokes person.

Yet she still speaks as if she's still in charge and it bites her hard in the Viv Ending.

[Ozzy]

I was expecting someone different, given her presence in the books. Someone with actual presence. A larger than life character. Someone who's charismatic and dynamic. Someone who'd serve as a counterpart to Vivienne.

 

I suppose indenturing yourself to a Magister and having all the timey wimey stuff around you does mess with your mojo though.

[pvpgirl]

While I believe she is Alistair's mother, does she ever come out and say it in game or have it confirmed in any other way?  

 

There's conflicting time lines all over the place.  The World of Thedas timeline shows her being in Ferelden in 9:10, and Alistair bein born in 9:14 or something like that, while another source is showing both events happening in 9:10.  And while it would be pretty far fetched to have 2 of Maric's son's with basically the same story (illegitimate prince, Grey Warden connections, etc) I wouldn't put it past BW to throw something like that in as a plot twist.  

 

If it is possible to get her to admit to being his mother, steps to get it to happen would be appreciated.

[Chari]

You know what does ser Barris, the templar representative if we side with them? He goes to the world saving mundies and mages alike and eventually gets promoted
What does Fiona? Sits in a safe fortress and whines. Also as far as I know if we side with mages ser Barris gets killed for fighting Corypheus and red templars. But if we side with templars Fiona joins Corypheus and fights us
So, yeah, my respect for her reached zero

[Lucrece]

You know what does ser Barris, the templar representative if we side with them? He goes to the world saving mundies and mages alike and eventually gets promoted
What does Fiona? Sits in a safe fortress and whines. Also as far as I know if we side with mages ser Barris gets killed for fighting Corypheus and red templars. But if we side with templars Fiona joins Corypheus and fights us
So, yeah, my respect for her reached zero

 

 

She got mind controlled via blood magic...from Venatori. It's not like Templars had ways to compel Ser Barris to fight you, and when Lucious had that revered mother knocked cold Barris stood there and did nothing like the ***** he is. When you offer him the chance to join you, he follows that blabbering fool.

[Sully13]

Game needs Rincewind.. just saying.