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[MadMaximoff]

She got mind controlled via blood magic...from Venatori. It's not like Templars had ways to compel Ser Barris to fight you, and when Lucious had that revered mother knocked cold Barris stood there and did nothing like the ***** he is. When you offer him the chance to join you, he follows that blabbering fool.

 

Here's the thing, the Templars were force fed Red Lyrium so they fought to the bitter end.

 

Blood Magic wouldn't work on an unwilling Mage, Fiona was clearly willing to go through with the Venatoris request to dabble in the art, thus binding her and whatever mages did it to the Venatori, any mage that resisted was likely cut down. again, Fiona put them in this situation.

[skotie]

Off topic but... Is there somewhere to find more info on her in regards to her being Alistair's mother? Just kind of wondering about the story of her and Maric.

[katling73]

The only reason I offered the mages an alliance was because they had no choice about the Venatori thing and I didn't want to punish all of them for one person's idiotic decision. Because Fiona made that decision for them, not with them, and many of them were very unhappy about it. I was more annoyed that you didn't get to pass judgement on Fiona at Skyhold. She deserved that for allowing Tevinter forces to gain a (temporary) hold in Ferelden at the very least. Or I'd have cheerfully handed Fiona over to Queen Anora for judgement if she'd asked me to.

[Sully13]

Wiki i suppose.

[skotie]

Wiki i suppose.

That's where I was looking but not really seeing anything about it other than that she is Alistair's mother. Trying to fit how exactly that is in my head I mean the wiki says

 

As a child of seven, she was bought as a slave by Count (now styled Comte) Dorian, who kept her as a "pet." She was sexually and physically abused. Eventually she realized she had magical talents and used them to kill the Count, an act that nearly killed her the first time she used magic. Instead of leaving her to die or summoning the city guard, the Count's widow sent her to the Circle of Magi outside of Montsimmard.There, she was recruited into the Grey Wardens by Commander Genevieve after Fiona begged to be allowed to join. Fiona also saw fellow recruits Duncan and Riordan through their Joining.

 

Where in all of this did she have time to meet Maric? Or was that later after she become a mage and grey warden?

[Chari]

Where in all of this did she have time to meet Maric? Or was that later after she become a mage and grey warden?

 

In a novel written by David Gaider? The Calling

[skotie]

In a novel written by David Gaider? The Calling

Hmm ok thanks, guess I'll have to read the books, they don't seem to want to list how's it's all connected in the wiki.

[Bigdoser]

Well when you first meet her in Val she was making a smart decision like any sane leader would in a bad situation potentially join the inquisition gain refuge etc and then time magic happened which screwed her over. . 

 

Hell you can blame Barris for not preventing the issues with the templars by inaction one screw up by making a hard choice in a crap situation and one allowing it to happen by being inactive. You can blame them both for silly decisions in my opinion. 

[Chari]

Well when you first meet her in Val she was making a smart decision like any sane leader would in a bad situation potentially join the inquisition gain refuge etc and then time magic happened which screwed her over. .

Hell you can blame Barris for not preventing the issues with the templars by inaction one screw up by making a hard choice in a crap situation and one allowing it to happen by being inactive. You can blame them both for silly decisions in my opinion.

Fiona is a leader, ser Barris is but a follower. Leaders hold more control, responsability and as a result are targets of heavier judgement and punishment. Always

[DarkSpiral]

Fiona is a leader, ser Barris is but a follower. Leaders hold more control, responsability and as a result are targets of heavier judgement and punishment. Always

You are, strictly speaking, correct.  However!

 

Fiona manages to fail upwards.  And, regardless of you conscript or ally with the mages, she does nothing significant for the cause.  Possibly because she knows she's blown her credibility to hell, but that's subjective speculation on my part.  And biased.  Its totally biased, too.

 

Barris, if you side with the Templars, rises to the occasion after all the ranking officers are either killed or converted.  He's a man I can respect.  Also completely biased of me.  Shucks.

[Lumix19]

Hasn't this "I hate Fiona" thread been done so many times? She made the best decisions she could under trying circumstances. And she's not dragging the Mages into doing whatever she wants. If people actually talked to Mages they would find some of them actually agreed with her. The College could not have been born if she didn't have supporters for it. If she didn't create it someone else would have.

[Deebo305]

The moment I fought Fiona at Haven I knew she was an idiot, joining up with the Venatori....smh

[Lumix19]

The moment I fought Fiona at Haven I knew she was an idiot, joining up with the Venatori....smh

She didn't know they were Venatori though did she? It's not like Alexius introduced himself as a Tevinter supremacist working for Corypheus. And by the time she shows up in Haven isn't mind-controlled or something.

[pottman]

The moment I fought Fiona at Haven I knew she was an idiot, joining up with the Venatori....smh

She was mind controlled with BLOOD MAGIC. How about cutting her some slack.

[Milan92]

She was mind controlled with BLOOD MAGIC. How about cutting her some slack.

 

No.

 

She shouldn't have sold herself out to Tevinter to begin with. She got herself into that mess, I'm not gonna give her any slack for it.

[pottman]

No.

 

She shouldn't have sold herself out to Tevinter to begin with. She got herself into that mess, I'm not gonna give her any slack for it.

 

Wow, you really took the bait. 

[Milan92]

Wow, you really took the bait. 

 

Not really. You simply gave me an oppertunity to moan about her.

 

Thanks! I really needed that.

[DarkSpiral]

She was mind controlled with BLOOD MAGIC. How about cutting her some slack.

Says who?  The Prima guide?  That's the only place I've ever seen claim that she'd been brainwashed.  Because game guides are always the first place to go looking for reliable information!  Oh, wait...

 

Anyway.  Do you actually have something backing that up, or is it an assumption?

[pottman]

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Fiona

 

"If the Inquisitor chooses to meet with the templars instead of the mages, then Fiona and her compatriots would be brainwashed by the Venatori and used in the attack on Haven, in which the Inquisitor is forced to kill her." 

 

Unless some other source says otherwise, I'm going to trust the Wiki.

[Milan92]

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Fiona

 

"If the Inquisitor chooses to meet with the templars instead of the mages, then Fiona and her compatriots would be brainwashed by the Venatori and used in the attack on Haven, in which the Inquisitor is forced to kill her." 

 

Unless some other source says otherwise, I'm going to trust the Wiki.

 

You do know that the Wiki can be edited by anyone right?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Fiona

 

"If the Inquisitor chooses to meet with the templars instead of the mages, then Fiona and her compatriots would be brainwashed by the Venatori and used in the attack on Haven, in which the Inquisitor is forced to kill her." 

 

Unless some other source says otherwise, I'm going to trust the Wiki.

Aaaaannd that happens because she sold herself, her people out to Tevinter to begin with. She got herself and her people into that mess, she has no one to blame but herself. Grand Failure Fiona, indeed.

[DarkSpiral]

Quite.  That little line has no source.  No verification.  It's unreliable, until those things change.  It could be true; she might have been brainwashed.  Or Fiona could be making yet another really bad choice in a series of bad choices she's made in the last few years.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Quite.  That little line has no source.  No verification.  It's unreliable, until those things change.  It could be true; she might have been brainwashed.  Or Fiona could be making yet another really bad choice in a series of bad choices she's made in the last few years.

Still, she made a bad decision in the first place. 

[DarkSpiral]

Still, she made a bad decision in the first place. 

 

That is exactly what I just said.  Yes.

[MadMaximoff]

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Fiona

"If the Inquisitor chooses to meet with the templars instead of the mages, then Fiona and her compatriots would be brainwashed by the Venatori and used in the attack on Haven, in which the Inquisitor is forced to kill her."

Unless some other source says otherwise, I'm going to trust the Wiki.

Through Blood Magic of which we learn, the Venatori can only bind them to Coryethuses will if they accept the ritual in the first place.

This is why you can reason with The Wardens at Amaranthtine and turn several to your side, even with them being weak to Coryethuses manipulation because of the Taint.

So Fiona willingly accepted a Blood Magic ritual for her and the other mages on their behalf.