That is exactly what I just said. Yes.
I was agreeing with you. You are absolutely correct, that little line has no source. No verification, it's also unreliable, and regardless whether Fiona and her followers got mind control or she joins the Venatori willingly it's all happens because she made a bad decision. I'm not going to cut her some slack when her stupidity got her people into this mess.
The tipping point for me with the mages is there are children in their ranks. If I could have gutted Fiona (she's the Inquisition version of Isolde as far as I'm concerned) I'd have done so. When Alexius is talking about how he will make use of the mages he's enslaved, he says something about them being used in Tevinter's wars and Fiona's aghast saying "there are children among us". She's guilty of doing crap on the spur of the moment and not making long range plans (that's how this whole mess began in the first place).
She may be competent as a mage, but as a leader she sucks ass majorly. Her only real claim to fame is she was a former Grey Warden and secretly Alistair's mother. The latter is all but confirmed when she asks if you spoke to the man and 'did he seem happy?' Yea, dumba$$ he was overjoyed you got his uncle kicked out of his home and placed a hostile foreign power on Ferelden soil... 
I hate that stupid character even more than I do Isolde, and that's saying a lot because the only person in the franchise I hate more than Isolde was Rendon Howe.
Game needs Rincewind.. just saying.
A wizzard did it ...
I always had the (maybe wrong) impression that Fiona was partly urged by some of her mages to accept the offer from the Tevinter to escape Templar-Anihilation. Is she the Queen of mages? I thought it was more like the head of the mage-committee, and the majority was for becoming slaves to the TEvinter to prevent being slaves to the chantry...
Whatever, my Magequisitor freed them all, paving the way to ultimate Magocracy .. what could possibly go wrong? 
Through Blood Magic of which we learn, the Venatori can only bind them to Coryethuses will if they accept the ritual in the first place.
This is why you can reason with The Wardens at Amaranthtine and turn several to your side, even with them being weak to Coryethuses manipulation because of the Taint.
So Fiona willingly accepted a Blood Magic ritual for her and the other mages on their behalf.
No, see I think of this the other way, where the blood magic was pretty much forced on her, because she didn't foresee this. Each theory makes sense because we don't what really happened to her, other than the mages are all crazy puppets now. And, the Wardens? You can convince some of the non mages, but the mages, nope. All puppets. Unless you break the hold on them.
No, see I think of this the other way, where the blood magic was pretty much forced on her, because she didn't foresee this. Each theory makes sense because we don't what really happened to her, other than the mages are all crazy puppets now. And, the Wardens? You can convince some of the non mages, but the mages, nope. All puppets. Unless you break the hold on them.
You can't help the warden mages. They have been bound by the Venatori guy's (I forget his name) ritual at Adamant, and are Cory's slaves at that point. Gonna guess they did something similar to the mages under Fiona's 'care', but since the game never spells it out, I can only assume.
I only side mages to protect the mage children anyway.
Alexius turns up two days after a huge explosion when templars are murdering mages, and offers her support. She'd be stupid not to accept
Bad choice or no the ones willing to make that choice and pay for the consequences are usually picked to lead.
She did both.
So I'll vote the inventor of Icarus's flight spell in Morrowind as the worst mage ever.
Not because he wasn't talented, but because he lacked common sense to realize that the ground is a solid surface.
don't like her either, but i think the whole thing when you side with the templars and she attacks haven is kinda out of character for even her
anyone else notice that now da has a school for magic.. hmm
Will we see the rise of the great hero Harry Nughead?
Yes. Yes she is.
Couldn't kill her fast enough.
Hail Templars!
One thing i find weird is when you fight her at Haven and if you have VIvi in your party they don't even exchange words! I would assume one of them would at least say something to each other since they know each other decently well
It's really easy to criticize Fiona's choices but what would you have done in her position with no allies, mages (both disguised Venatori and not) pushing for a "Tevinter" alliance and the threat of a Templar attack?
Not pushed for the war in the first place...
But that's too smart for Fiona.
It's really easy to criticize Fiona's choices but what would you have done in her position with no allies, mages (both disguised Venatori and not) pushing for a "Tevinter" alliance and the threat of a Templar attack?
She has at least a sympathizer. Ferelden's monarchs who happens to sympathize the Rebel Mages give them a sanctuary at Redcliffe, and Templars wouldn't dare attack Redcliffe when Arl Teagan, his soldiers and many civilian is still there. That will be declaring war with Ferelden, but she threw that Ferelden's protection away when she chooses to ally with Tevinter. That is when Alexius evicts Teagan and his soldiers, some civilian from Redcliffe. She loses her Ferelden's sympathizer the moment she ally with Alexius. She just gives the Templars, and Ferelden every right to lay siege on Redcliffe.
This is the worst mage, ever.
She has at least a sympathizer. Ferelden's monarchs who happens to sympathize the Rebel Mages give them a sanctuary at Redcliffe, and Templars wouldn't dare attack Redcliffe when Arl Teagan, his soldiers and many civilian is still there. That will be declaring war with Ferelden, but she threw that Ferelden's protection away when she chooses to ally with Tevinter. That is when Alexius evicts Teagan and his soldiers, some civilian from Redcliffe. She loses her Ferelden's sympathizer the moment she ally with Alexius. She just gives the Templars, and Ferelden every right to lay siege on Redcliffe.
Alexius turns up two days after a huge explosion when templars are murdering mages, and offers her support. She'd be stupid not to accept
I believe what you mean to say is she would be stupid to accept an alliance that required her to betray the country she is currently in (losing the protection of said country), trek across two countries with no escort, and then fight for ten years in a conflict against the most brutal forces on the planet (being generous and ignoring the children fighting since she didn't know that at first). The correct response in that situation was to have her mages help the soldiers protect Redcliffe against the Templar attack (that we have no indication was ever coming) and aid the villagers in anyway possible. She chose the stupid option instead....which ended up being even stupider than it initially should have appeared to be.
Except she allied with Tevinter to gain protection that she didn't feel she had. So either Fereldan didn't offer protection but rather a place to stay, there was some form of miscommunication, Fiona thought the Templars would attack anyway (and why not since they had already rebelled against the Chantry) or Alexius' magic (time or otherwise) did something weird and made her forget.
You make it sound like her emotion get the better of her, and that make her look like a poor leader even more. She just handed over her sympathizer who could protect her and her people over vague promise with Tevinter. Ferelden offer her a sanctuary, a place to stay but it's also accounted as protection so long as Tegan and his soldiers remain in Redcliffe, the Templars wouldn't dare attack the town or lay siege at his castle out of fear that Ferelden will take it as a declaration of war. Could you please give me an evidences of this miscommunication or how Alexius's time magic made her forget that she has Ferelden sympathizer. Because either way it looks like Fiona just drop her brain somewhere in the Deep Roads.
I believe what you mean to say is she would be stupid to accept an alliance that required her to betray the country she is currently in (losing the protection of said country), trek across two countries with no escort, and then fight for ten years in a conflict against the most brutal forces on the planet (being generous and ignoring the children fighting since she didn't know that at first). The correct response in that situation was to have her mages help the soldiers protect Redcliffe against the Templar attack (that we have no indication was ever coming) and aid the villagers in anyway possible. She chose the stupid option instead....which ended up being even stupider than it initially should have appeared to be.
Fiona could easily have that wiped from her memory because of Alexius' time magic.
Doesn't seem like all of her memory was wiped out, and this cutscene imply that she choose to ally with Tevinter fully know that she already has Ferelden's sympathizer. She chooses to trust in vague promise with Tevinter. All I see from Fiona is "B....but... *insert excuse here*"
I think there's no way around the idea Fiona made a really stupid decision. What she wanted was Tevinter to come in behind the Mages and accept them as citizens of Tevinter so they would no longer be in danger and "end" the war by immigrating there. The thing is, that's more or less immigrating to Mordor and offering them the chance to become slavers.
Fiona had given up on fighting the war and was now defecting.
Still? My reaction.
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