Doesn't seem like all of her memory was wiped out, and this cutscene imply that she choose to ally with Tevinter fully know that she already has Ferelden's sympathizer. She chooses to trust in vague promise with Tevinter. All I see from Fiona is "B....but... *insert excuse here*"
The only reason I can stomach siding mages, Fiona gets dressed down by King Alistair.
Doesn't seem like all of her memory was wiped out, and this cutscene imply that she choose to ally with Tevinter fully know that she already has Ferelden's sympathizer. She chooses to trust in vague promise with Tevinter. All I see from Fiona is "B....but... *insert excuse here*"
How does this imply that? She barely says anything to the effect here. And she does say earlier that the mages had no allies and repeatedly tells you she had no choice but to accept a Tevinter alliance. The only other explanation is that she had no clear reasoning for an alliance with Tevinter and had lost her mind.
The only reason I can stomach siding mages, Fiona gets dressed down by King Alistair.
She will always eat a humble pie regardless of who is Ferelden's ruler. It's too bad we cannot judge her or let her face any kind of punishment. She doesn't even question about the missing Tranquil whereabouts. I wonder if she ever knew that her Tevinter friend kidnapping her people left and right.
How does this imply that? She barely says anything to the effect here. And she does say earlier that the mages had no allies and repeatedly tells you she had no choice but to accept a Tevinter alliance. The only other explanation is that she had no clear reasoning for an alliance with Tevinter and had lost her mind.
It's implied that she knew she still has Ferelden's sympathizer who just give them a sanctuary, but choose to give it up to gain protection that she didn't feel she had. You said it yourself. If her memory about Ferelden giving the Rebel Mages a sanctuary was wiped out by Alexius's time magic then she supposed to be confused with the whole situation, confused with why Ferelden's monarchs arrive, not standing still, ready to make an excuse for herself. As you can see from how Fiona react "I assure you. We never intended". She is clearly lost her mind, indeed.
How does this imply that? She barely says anything to the effect here. And she does say earlier that the mages had no allies and repeatedly tells you she had no choice but to accept a Tevinter alliance. The only other explanation is that she had no clear reasoning for an alliance with Tevinter and had lost her mind.
I think that's overstating matters. She very clearly gives you her reasoning in the tavern.
"The war is lost. We needed allies. We're going to become part of Tevinter now."
Her solution to losing the war is to defect to Tevinter with all of her followers.
She's given up on winning.
The thing is, I don't think she gave ANY real thought to how this would be perceived by anyone else. Fiona was only thinking of mages.
Now that's the one of the parts I didn't like about the rebel mages their treatment of the tranquil which how the inquisition got their first creature researcher, she was a apprentice that protected the tranquil from being killed by the rebel mages. Then there's the fact that some of the rebel mages in the main group are fully in support of the alliance with Tevtinor which cemented my dislike even before I found out the rebels were basically join us or we will kill you to the other mages.
Adrian gets my vote. I'm still hoping for a dlc where we can track her down and end her, or at least judge her on the inquisition throne and make the rest of her life as miserable as possible.
Adrian gets my vote. I'm still hoping for a dlc where we can track her down and end her, or at least judge her on the inquisition throne and make the rest of her life as miserable as possible.
In case she was the Rebel Mages's representative who died at the Conslave. Good riddance.
Jowen still holds the crown for me. Man blundered from one self-inflicted folly to the next.
It's implied that she knew she still has Ferelden's sympathizer who just give them a sanctuary, but choose to give it up to gain protection that she didn't feel she had. You said it yourself. If her memory about Ferelden giving the Rebel Mages a sanctuary was wiped out by Alexius's time magic then she supposed to be confused with the whole situation, confused with why Ferelden's monarchs arrive, not standing still, ready to make an excuse for herself. As you can see from how Fiona react "I assure you. We never intended". She is clearly lost her mind, indeed.
I'm sure she was well aware of why Fereldan's monarchs arrived, after all Alexius did turn out the Arl. But nowhere does she show awareness of the protection that Alistair/Anora mention. I find it possible that Fereldan let them stay in Redcliffe and then offered protection from the Templar attack which made the Templars back off. Alexius' time magic rewrote that though so the mages forgot. Indeed nobody in Redcliffe (to my recollection) mentions it at all.
I think that's overstating matters. She very clearly gives you her reasoning in the tavern.
"The war is lost. We needed allies. We're going to become part of Tevinter now."
Her solution to losing the war is to defect to Tevinter with all of her followers.She's given up on winning.
The thing is, I don't think she gave ANY real thought to how this would be perceived by anyone else. Fiona was only thinking of mages.
I agree. She has clear reasoning and certainly her choice was not the best one but it was the only one available to her.
The act of granting refuse is a act of protection because to attack people who has been provided refuge by the monarch is a attack on the monarch something Fiona given her background have to have known which means she knowingly betrayed the protection provided by the Monarch and her actions in permitting the creation of a Tevintor outpost and expelling of Redcliff's rightful lord was a act of war against the monarchy.
I dislike Fiona greatly and I wish we could judge her at Skyhold for her idiotic ways. She should have fought to the death to hold to the ideals that mages should strive for (no blood magic or demonic ****.) Because its on those ideals that mages base that they should be free because most aren't blood mages and most doesn't seek to control everyone with their magic then they go and ally with tevinter hurr durr.
She showed me why mages aren't ready for full independance and I used to be very pro-mage freedom. Fionas and the rebel mages choices was the final straw.
Thats why I gave her the hook and then the boot! 
Its funny that when you side with Templars you get to kill Fiona , she was fairly disappointing , i thought she'd be more of a challenge.
Not pushed for the war in the first place...
But that's too smart for Fiona.
Fiona decides she'd rather die than be enslaved by the Circle.
Also decides being enslaved by Tevinter is better than dying
Sounds legit 
She didn't build a college in mine just outright tried to start another War.
As for the Conscription it was because she had so quickly thrown them to the Venatori without a thought and I felt she was the wrong person to answer for the Mages since many of the Mages you speak to in Redcliffe are extremely unhappy with her alliance with Tevinter.
The Conscription was with the intent to allow them to make good on their quest for Peace without Fiona as their spokes person.
Yet she still speaks as if she's still in charge and it bites her hard in the Viv Ending.
Fiona's not that bad in DAI, if you just think about why she did what she did. She only gave the mages to Tevinter because she feared that the templars were going to attack them (they were). She did it to save her people. It isn't as if she just decided one day to join a group of Tevinter zealots for the lulz (I also very highly doubt that she or any of the other mages knew that Alexius and co. were Venatori; Alexius would be literally the biggest idiot in Thedas if he told people outside his circle that he was a member of a doomsday Tevinter cult). It also isn't as if Fiona made the choice in a vacuum, either, because the Venatori had spies in with the mages, spreading propaganda. There are just as many mages you can speak to who are FOR joining the Venatori, one of them is standing right next to Fiona in the inn at Redcliffe.
Was it the wrong choice to sell the mages to Tevinter? Yes, I don't think anybody is arguing that (Fiona herself even regrets it). But it isn't something to absolutely hate her for when she A. didn't have all of the information when she made the choice, B. only made the choice in desperation, and C. was being fed lies about the Tevinter agents to make them look good.
As for her speaking as if she's in charge... She kind of is. The other mages all followed her willingly. She didn't force them to come with her.
I'm pretty sure that honor goes to the Mage I created in DAO. He wanted to use blood magic, but he passes out at the sight of blood, so when he slit his wrist, he fainted and then got body slammed by an ogre. Worst Mage ever.
I love this post so ****** much!
People still think that Fiona was brainwashed or confused?
Andraste's holy knickers, she and all her lovely mages were given refuge in Ferelden's most prosperous town, in their impregnable (Why do I imagine pregnant castles when I say that?) castle that even withstood the fifth blight where others fell. (or I'm thinking of another town right now but iirc Redcliffe is the only Fereldan town with proper codex entries) Nobody with a reasonable amount of intelligence would assume that Ferelden hated them and templars were going to overrun them. If it weren't for Ferelden's support, they'd be running away from templars in the Korcari Wilds or some other backwater hostile place.
Even if the time magic has effed up her brain, last time I checked she wasn't blind and could see that she was able to safely sleep in Redcliffe even though she started the war, while innocent refugees are struggling to survive in the Hinterlands.
And even when the mages had shelter, food, water and protection, Fiona decided that the best idea was to ally (*ahem* sell *ahem*) the mages to Tevinter? The country that entire southern Thedas despises? Even the qunari are at war with them. Their leaders, the magisters are even seen as the very reason why the Blights started. How could a Grey Warden who, possibly believes the Maker and that story, consciously ally themselves with Tevinter?
Heck, one could even argue she knows how dangerous Tevinter magisters are because she could've assumed the Architect was one and Corypheus was one as well. Granted, this is speculation, but it wouldn't require rocket science to connect the dots and it could've passed through her mind at one point.
I'm sorry, I've tried to appreciate Fiona, but she made some really dumb decisions because her mind was clouded with DUHR HUR freedom. She's pretty much Loghain 2.0, in the past a good and respectable person, but ending up terrible due to extremely biased stupid decisions.
Fiona is a idiot. She was a idiot in the book who kept playing the FEEL SORRY FOR ME CARD!, she's a idiot in DAI who betrayed her own cause and gives crappy excuses for it. Thank god I was able to stab her in the gut at. Haven.
She's also a freeloader who does nothing at Skyhold while er mages risk their life.
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People still think that Fiona was brainwashed or confused?
Andraste's holy knickers, she and all her lovely mages were given refuge in Ferelden's most prosperous town, in their impregnable (Why do I imagine pregnant castles when I say that?) castle that even withstood the fifth blight where others fell. (or I'm thinking of another town right now but iirc Redcliffe is the only Fereldan town with proper codex entries) Nobody with a reasonable amount of intelligence would assume that Ferelden hated them and templars were going to overrun them. If it weren't for Ferelden's support, they'd be running away from templars in the Korcari Wilds or some other backwater hostile place.
Even if the time magic has effed up her brain, last time I checked she wasn't blind and could see that she was able to safely sleep in Redcliffe even though she started the war, while innocent refugees are struggling to survive in the Hinterlands.
And even when the mages had shelter, food, water and protection, Fiona decided that the best idea was to ally (*ahem* sell *ahem*) the mages to Tevinter? The country that entire southern Thedas despises? Even the qunari are at war with them. Their leaders, the magisters are even seen as the very reason why the Blights started. How could a Grey Warden who, possibly believes the Maker and that story, consciously ally themselves with Tevinter?
Heck, one could even argue she knows how dangerous Tevinter magisters are because she could've assumed the Architect was one and Corypheus was one as well. Granted, this is speculation, but it wouldn't require rocket science to connect the dots and it could've passed through her mind at one point.
I'm sorry, I've tried to appreciate Fiona, but she made some really dumb decisions because her mind was clouded with DUHR HUR freedom. She's pretty much Loghain 2.0, in the past a good and respectable person, but ending up terrible due to extremely biased stupid decisions.
Let's also not forgot that the presence of Teagan would ward off attacks because if Teagan was killed by the templars Alistair would have full right to march on them and that's not something the Templars could afford. They where always safe in Redcliffe.
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