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[Bigdoser]

A.) That war was happening no matter what.  You can't use and abuse the most powerful people in all of Thedas and *not* expect them to go off the hinge and start nuking sh*t.

 

B.) It's called blood magic.  It's why she doesn't remember ever even meeting the Inquisitor in Val Royeaux and why she has other holes in her memory in subsequent cut scenes.

 

And finally, you'd be a little b*tchy if you were conscripted too so get off your high horse.  Next time try making them allies instead of slaves?  That tends to make people a bit more accommodating.  Just sayin'.

I made them allies for a similar reason as blackwall says it people fight better as allies than soldier slaves and this will give them the chance to learn what an alliance actually means and how the world actually works. 

 

Hell the inquisitor can say the same thing. 

[Trickshaw]

Blackwall didn't torture the the dog, he did something far worse turned his back and ignored it.

 

He was a kid.

 

You can't fault an ADULT of 40 years for what they did or did not do as a child.

 

And besides, it's not like he did it and then is BRAGGING about it.  It's one of his great regrets in his life.  Do you people simply not LISTEN to these cutscenes or what?  It's like 1/2 of you hear or read something then decide to run with it completely out of context.  It's idiotic behavior like this which make this world, the real world, a huge pile of dog sh*t.

[MadMaximoff]

A.) That war was happening no matter what.  You can't use and abuse the most powerful people in all of Thedas and *not* expect them to go off the hinge and start nuking sh*t.

 

B.) It's called blood magic.  It's why she doesn't remember ever even meeting the Inquisitor in Val Royeaux and why she has other holes in her memory in subsequent cut scenes.

 

And finally, you'd be a little b*tchy if you were conscripted too so get off your high horse.  Next time try making them allies instead of slaves?  That tends to make people a bit more accommodating.  Just sayin'.

 

Blood Magic can't be used on the unwilling, nor can transference of souls, etc, this is explained later in the game by Flemmeth and shown at Amarathtine by the Wardens (The Warden Mages were already bound by the ritual as they had been the first to accept it)

 

Fiona makes a complete catastrophe catalog of Errors and is in no position to demand any kind of alliance, especially when King Alistair is in the middle of withdrawing all support for them and about to kick them out of Fereldan, Alistair being an extremely fair and charitable ruler of all things.

[Ryzaki]

This is the worst mage, ever.

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I liked this because I had a giggle fit. God I remember that jerkwad. Bwahahaha.

[EmissaryofLies]

Yeah, meanwhile you have Leliana, Solas, Josephine, Cole, Blackwall and Dorian who all sympathize with the rebel mages to varous degrees. Morrigan is also a non-circle mage with a head on her shoulders and crucial to the plot. Dorian considers the Circles a prison and highly dissaproves if you conscript the Mages, so yes he has a stance on the issue.

 

So I'm really not sure where you get the idea Bioware wanted us to think all non-circle mages were idiots. They put dissenting voices in Redcliffe itself for a reason. They just showed mages make bad decisions like everyone else; hell if you don't save them the Templar order pretty much all become Red Templar monsters, they don't look much better. Cory is the Big Bad here, but guess what, the Big Back back in DA2 was a Templar.

 

They muddled up the issue by making sure it's not Nazi Templars vs freedom-loving Mages like it somewhat was in DA2. Doesn't mean every Mage that doesn't like the Circles is put in a bad light, far from it.

 

You're not sure where I got the idea that Bioware strongly dislikes Libertarians and like minded people? Never mind that Corypheus is a Tevinter Mage. Fiona, the head of the Mage Rebellion, is portrayed as a complete fool who allied with Tevinter even though she had Alistair at her back. The Mages at Redcliffe went along with Fiona and all three of the people who disagreed with her did nothing. 

 

The Templar Order becomes red monsters at the behest of a Mage who wanted Ancient Tevinter back in all its glory. DA II's Meredith fell victim to Red Lyrium; her behavior can be excused, especially when you find the legion of blood mages in the city and an uncooperative First Enchanter who hides a Serial Killer Blood Magicking Necromancer, amongst the other skeletons in his walk-in closet. Oh and that one guy who started the war in the first place....You can argue all day who's the big bad in DA II, DAI leaves no such room.

 

Not every mage who opposes the circle is put in a bad light, true, just the more important ones. Like Solas who

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is a mage god that gave his orb to Corypheus in the first place

[MadMaximoff]

He was a kid.

 

You can't fault an ADULT of 40 years for what they did or did not do as a child.

 

And besides, it's not like he did it and then is BRAGGING about it.  It's one of his great regrets in his life.  Do you people simply not LISTEN to these cutscenes or what?  It's like 1/2 of you hear or read something then decide to run with it completely out of context.  It's idiotic behavior like this which make this world, the real world, a huge pile of dog sh*t.

 

Oh I listened, I was quite disgusted with his tone too.

 

For someone that's supposed to regret killing a Dog he certainly seems like he'd do it again the way he goes on about it being a "Filthy Mongrel"

[Ryzaki]

Okay from what we see with the warden mages. Cory has a ritual that binds the mages to him and makes them literal puppets.

 

Chances are this is what happened with the redcliffe mages turning into Venatori.

 

We can see in game that normal bloodmagic compulsion can be fought against. It takes a powerful will yes but it can be fought against. It also tends to have limits. You can't just snap your fingers and make a whole army your brainless slaves. Takes too much blood.

 

The most likely scenario with the mages is that Cory went "oh noes the templars are coming!" Fiona had the mages do a similar ritual that the wardens did then Cory took over.

[Mr.House]

Blackwall: Good thing I'm not a real warden!(after it's showen hoe Cory can surviuve)

 

He's a selfish ******.

[BioWareMod03]

Hey everyone. Let's keep it on topic and constructive in here.

[Trickshaw]

If you can't refute the post...

 

And yet I just did.

 

 

...please don't bother to participate in the conversation.

 

And yet I will continue to do so.

 

Blood magic has, can and will continue to be used on the unwilling.  THAT'S why it's outlawed.  Because you can affect the mind(s) of your victim(s) without them ever knowing.  Is this your first day in Dragon Age?  Who told you that Blood Magic can't be used on the unwilling?

 

Seriously.

[DemGeth]

Alistor should of executed her for committing treason.

[Toasted Llama]

He was a kid.

 

You can't fault an ADULT of 40 years for what they did or did not do as a child.

 

And besides, it's not like he did it and then is BRAGGING about it.  It's one of his great regrets in his life.  Do you people simply not LISTEN to these cutscenes or what?  It's like 1/2 of you hear or read something then decide to run with it completely out of context.  It's idiotic behavior like this which make this world, the real world, a huge pile of dog sh*t.

I was actually much more emotional about animal abuse as a kid than as an adult because "NOOOOO CUTE PUPPY NOOO!"

I'm surprised that he didn't act on it and I think he should have, my Quiz has forgiven him tho.

[MadMaximoff]

Okay from what we see with the warden mages. Cory has a ritual that binds the mages to him and makes them literal puppets.

 

Chances are this is what happened with the redcliffe mages turning into Venatori.

 

We can see in game that normal bloodmagic compulsion can be fought against. It takes a powerful will yes but it can be fought against. It also tends to have limits. You can't just snap your fingers and make a whole army your brainless slaves. Takes too much blood.

 

The most likely scenario with the mages is that Cory went "oh noes the templars are coming!" Fiona had the mages do a similar ritual that the wardens did then Cory took over.

 

Okay from what we see with the warden mages. Cory has a ritual that binds the mages to him and makes them literal puppets.

 

Chances are this is what happened with the redcliffe mages turning into Venatori.

 

We can see in game that normal bloodmagic compulsion can be fought against. It takes a powerful will yes but it can be fought against. It also tends to have limits. You can't just snap your fingers and make a whole army your brainless slaves. Takes too much blood.

 

The most likely scenario with the mages is that Cory went "oh noes the templars are coming!" Fiona had the mages do a similar ritual that the wardens did then Cory took over.

 

My thoughts Exactly, Alexius ushered their fear of Templars if you allied with the Templars and probably said something along the lines of "I know a Ritual that will protect you from them" they blindly agreed and became bound by the ritual.

[EmissaryofLies]

Alistor should of executed her for committing treason.

 

But that could put someone with a brain in charge of the rebellion and such a possibility is not acceptable.

[Ryzaki]

Nah if he just walked away I can't blame Blackwall. He was a scared kid.

 

Now if he had participated then he could die in a fire. But just being a scared kid? No. Everyone can't be the hero a lot of people don't have the strength of will for it and honestly it's very human.

[The Baconer]

Blood Magic can't be used on the unwilling,

 

haha, oh boy.

[Mr.House]

Nah if he just walked away I can't blame Blackwall. He was a scared kid.

 

Now if he had participated then he could die in a fire. But just being a scared kid? No. Everyone can't be the hero a lot of people don't have the strength of will for it and honestly it's very human.

Meh.

[MadMaximoff]

Nah if he just walked away I can't blame Blackwall. He was a scared kid.

 

Now if he had participated then he could die in a fire. But just being a scared kid? No. Everyone can't be the hero a lot of people don't have the strength of will for it and honestly it's very human.

 

He Strung the dog up by its neck and left it there.

[Mr.House]

He Strung the dog up by its neck and left it there.

No he didn't. He simply didn't save the dog. Backwall is a selfish coward but he didn't do that to the dog.

[MadMaximoff]

No he didn't. He simply didn't save the dog. Backwall is a selfish coward but he didn't do that to the dog.

 

Must have heard him wrong then, my mistake.

[o Ventus]

He Strung the dog up by its neck and left it there.

If by "he", you mean Blackwall.... No. Objectively, he did not.

[Vikarus]

Thank goodness someone said it. I've been pro-mage in every Dragon Age game so far, even throughout the mess that was Dragon Age 2 where every other mage was a blood mage, but Inquisition? I can't stand Fiona. She's everything Madmaximoff says she is. "Time magic" is hardly an excuse for her siding with Tevinter. I thought given her slack-jawed countenance throughout the whole quest that she had actually been mind-controlled with blood magic into handing the mages over. That would have made for a fascinating quest. When I realized she did it of her own free will, I hated her. The entire time she acts like she was coerced into siding with Tevinter, but she did so willingly and eagerly and somehow expected there to be no consequences. I wish there was a way to depose her, and still offer mages their freedom. She's a terrible leader, and I was all too happy to kill her when I sided with the Templars on my second play through.

[EmissaryofLies]

Aye, she took the saying "Never meet your heroes" into f*cking outer space.

[Livi14]

With mages like Vivienne or Anders? Not even close (I actually rather like her in the novels). Signing a deal with tevinter was at least understandable, they needed protection after the conclave.

[Trickshaw]

Not a matter of that, it's more the the passive aggressive and still attacking tone you are using (and continue using).

 

Even willingness (a slight nod, dropping the guard for just a moment) is willingness enough to be bound, the whole ritual was shown for this very purpose.

 

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Blood_magic

 

Read it.

 

Better yet, play the Dragon Age games.  Codex's explain how Blood Magic is used.  Because *ONE* particular ritual requires a willing participant doesn't mean they ALL do.  That's like saying, one pistol requires .40mm ammunition therefor THEY ALL DO.