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[xLawGamerx]

As someone who reliably tests as an INTJ, I would say that is not really Solas. I can see why people would reach that conclusion though - as he does tick a lot of the INTJ boxes; he's introverted, open-minded, thinks abstractly, and tends to prefer reason over emotion. i think there are a few traits however, that knock him out of being an INTJ and more into the INTP camp.

 

1. First, it's too easy to earn approval from him. In my playthrough "Solas Slightly Approved" of virtually everything I did. If he were really an INTJ, it would be far, far harder to earn such approval, to the extent the pop-up would be better off saying "Solas Is Unimpressed." It's hard earn an INTJs respect for anything less than something pretty exceptional. I don't really think we'd suddenly like you because you expressed interest in our experiences in the Fade. We probably would be impressed by the Inquisitor walking out of the Fade, but just asking us about spirits and demons? Probably not. In fact, we might even lose respect for you, as we might think talking about such things was either irrelevant or an obvious attempt to butter us up.

 

2. My impression of his character is that while he shares the INTJ trait of abstract thinking, he doesn't apply that thinking towards pursuing his goals in the way an INTJ would. When faced with a choice of methods of pursuing a goal, we INTJs tend to pick the most efficient one, regardless of what merits other methods have. Solas seems to be more about the most theoretically elegant solution. 

 

Obviously, this is sort of hard to gauge since his goals are somewhat nebulous, but I'd argue that his actions of

Spoiler

"Give the orb to Corypheus so he can power it up, and then take it back at a later date"

are not very efficient, regardless of what exactly he's trying to do. That strikes me as the type of idea that would make a ton of sense in his head, but also one that an INTJ would likely reject as "taking a long walk around the barn" as it were.

 

Compare this to Morrigan, who is a classic INTJ. Remember in Origins how you got to Lothering and asked your companions what you should do about Loghain? Allistair wanted to get the support of Arl Eamon, which involved a separate quest for the Urn of Sacred Ashes and then fighting the demon possessing his son, followed by calling the Landsmeet.

 

Morrigan's solution on the other hand was pretty much "Go to Denerim. Kill Loghain." It isn't so much that she doesn't recognize the potential virtues of other courses of action, it's just that given the goal of removing Loghain from power, going directly after him seems the most efficient method.

 

3. Going along with the comparison to Morrigan, I think Solas is a little too versed in social graces to be an INTJ. We INTJ don't understand social convention. And when I say we don't understand, I mean we don't understand at all. When Morrigan said in Origins that she didn't understand the purpose of "all that touching" I totally knew how she felt, since I don't really get it either. I mean, I am capable of understanding that people expect me to do things like shake hands. I also understand that offending someone by not doing it will make it harder to get what I want, but I don't really understand the underlying reason why. When I'm with people I shake hands it to blend in rather as opposed to doing it naturally or by choice.

 

Solas, on the other hand, is at least capable of being pretty polite and engaging in the normal social niceties. While it's certainly possible that he's pulled the INTJ trick of clever mimicry, he seems a bit too practiced at it for it to be a more forced behavior like it would be with an INTJ.

[Blackstork]

As someone who reliably tests as an INTJ, I would say that is not really Solas. I can see why people would reach that conclusion though - as he does tick a lot of the INTJ boxes; he's introverted, open-minded, thinks abstractly, and tends to prefer reason over emotion. i think there are a few traits however, that knock him out of being an INTJ and more into the INTP camp.

 

1. First, it's too easy to earn approval from him. In my playthrough "Solas Slightly Approved" of virtually everything I did. If he were really an INTJ, it would be far, far harder to earn such approval, to the extent the pop-up would be better off saying "Solas Is Unimpressed." It's hard earn an INTJs respect for anything less than something pretty exceptional. I don't really think we'd suddenly like you because you expressed interest in our experiences in the Fade. We probably would be impressed by the Inquisitor walking out of the Fade, but just asking us about spirits and demons? Probably not. In fact, we might even lose respect for you, as we might think talking about such things was either irrelevant or an obvious attempt to butter us up.

 

2. My impression of his character is that while he shares the INTJ trait of abstract thinking, he doesn't apply that thinking towards pursuing his goals in the way an INTJ would. When faced with a choice of methods of pursuing a goal, we INTJs tend to pick the most efficient one, regardless of what merits other methods have. Solas seems to be more about the most theoretically elegant solution. 

 

Obviously, this is sort of hard to gauge since his goals are somewhat nebulous, but I'd argue that his actions of

Spoiler

"Give the orb to Corypheus so he can power it up, and then take it back at a later date"

are not very efficient, regardless of what exactly he's trying to do. That strikes me as the type of idea that would make a ton of sense in his head, but also one that an INTJ would likely reject as "taking a long walk around the barn" as it were.

 

Compare this to Morrigan, who is a classic INTJ. Remember in Origins how you got to Lothering and asked your companions what you should do about Loghain? Allistair wanted to get the support of Arl Eamon, which involved a separate quest for the Urn of Sacred Ashes and then fighting the demon possessing his son, followed by calling the Landsmeet.

 

Morrigan's solution on the other hand was pretty much "Go to Denerim. Kill Loghain." It isn't so much that she doesn't recognize the potential virtues of other courses of action, it's just that given the goal of removing Loghain from power, going directly after him seems the most efficient method.

 

3. Going along with the comparison to Morrigan, I think Solas is a little too versed in social graces to be an INTJ. We INTJ don't understand social convention. And when I say we don't understand, I mean we don't understand at all. When Morrigan said in Origins that she didn't understand the purpose of "all that touching" I totally knew how she felt, since I don't really get it either. I mean, I am capable of understanding that people expect me to do things like shake hands. I also understand that offending someone by not doing it will make it harder to get what I want, but I don't really understand the underlying reason why. When I'm with people I shake hands it to blend in rather as opposed to doing it naturally or by choice.

 

Solas, on the other hand, is at least capable of being pretty polite and engaging in the normal social niceties. While it's certainly possible that he's pulled the INTJ trick of clever mimicry, he seems a bit too practiced at it for it to be a more forced behavior like it would be with an INTJ.

Well, all this text could be summarized and condensed into few words: " Solas have Ne and Fe and does not have Ni and Fi"

 

Cmon, people there is sceintific base to all this, which cant be denied or rejected - because that is MBTI!. The post above is proving the point with a lot of correct reasoning , and non-scientific text, but you see how much been said about obvious scientific MBTI distinction of person who have Ne and Fe, and is bad with Ni and Fi?  We also could save all this effort if we look into MBTI as it is, and will not perceive it by Letters/subjective judgement/as horoscope/popular social lottery thingy.

 

Judging Solas as INTJ is MBTI heresy, since that person is very far from having Ni and Fi in his primary functions, and have loads of Ne, and faint visible quantity of Fe, which is his Inferior Primary function and comes out few times during DA:I story.

 

and yes, there is big difference between INTJ Morrigan and INTP Solas. Its not in one letter, its in all functions being upside down! People - Stop seeing J/P difference as something close - letters means nothing if you do not understand true meaning of them and what they mean in MBTI, which bases , firstly , as ABC , on Jungean functions. INTJ and INTP types are VERY distinct and different . If you know what are functions and how person checked and types assigned with them you will know and see the big difference between those 2 types. In some points Solas is opposite to what INTJ is. 

[Kappa Neko]

@Kappa Nekko - i think you using descriptions that are usable towards any type, and are falling out of scope of MBTI classification. Any one can be warm, every one need reassurance. Even ISTJ - he need reassurance in his own emotions and feelings of others towards him, because he do not understand emotions of others, while other time will need other type of reassurance. MBTI are not deviding into cold/warm. Anyone can be anything, in different parts of their life/phase. The simple who got which methods, how percieving world, what one see immideately, and what things remain invisible to same person. You cant tell X is cold, Z is warm, this will be utter wrongness. I'ts just about different ways that will be required for different people to reach same point. Excuse me, but that is sure misintepritation of whole meaning of MBTI. Simple each one have different lenses and tools. What each one do with their tools and lenses - its their buisness. Generally, you can do anything, simply, only some things are easier for one, while others - for another. Eveyone warm in some scope, simply each one have different scopes and places to be warm , hehe :V


Solas is INTP, for sure. Check Jungean functions in matching into each one of 8 slots you will see. He is Ti guy, Ive said he is INTP before, and i return to that point firmly now.
again ,those different site interpritations are fancy, but firstly functions provide much accurate analysis, while some interpritations could be actually misguiding.
\Please read this - this resource provides VERY deep MBTI analysis (the functions go in backwards order - starts iwht 8th shadow, ands with 1th primary
:
http://www.sociotype...types/ILI-INTp/

Take it easy. I understand all this. As I stated, the functions of INTP make sense for Solas. I simply stated that I do see certain similarities between people with the same letter, regardless of how the functions work for those types. All the P people I know hate rules, don't plan meticulously and are more spontaneous than J types who are more by the book and less rebellious. It's merely an observation. I did say that MBTI has nothing to do with how nice people are in general. But you'll find many people describing the INFJ icy coldness in certain situations that I have seen in fellow INFJs but not INFPs. I am aware that going by descriptions is prone to error. But I am nonetheless very interested in how functions translate into behavior and well personality.
I am less interested in breaking people down into their functions than I am in finding similarities in behavior and decision making, even if those are perhaps coincidental. I often work the other way round. How does the behavior match the type? I don't have a logical brain (and a bad memory for details), I make emotional connections. If this doesn't sound like an INFJ to you, then perhaps MBTI is not very accurate after all. Because I've done several tests with the same result.
As you say, there are many factors that contribute to how well developed functions are and what we do with these tools. Some people are forced to operate on their shadow functions. A Ni person sometimes fails to predict outcomes too.
I'm not arguing that you're wrong. I just saw similarities between Solas and my type. Emotional reasoning, not strictly fact based. Nothing more.

[Kappa Neko]

My phone derped, double post.

[Blackstork]

Another proof on Solas INTP:

 

 

 

The Critical Parent Role

(sometimes referred to as the 6th (2nd Shadow) function)

The critical parent role is how we find weak spots and can immobilize and demoralize others.

We can also feel this way when others use the process that plays this role.

It is often used sporadically and emerges more often under stressful conditions when something important is at risk. When we engage it, we can go on and on.

To access its positive side of discovery, we must learn to appreciate and be open to it. Then it has an almost magical quality and can provide a profound sense of wisdom.

 

 

NI : 

Foreseeing implications, transformations, and likely effects

Introverted iNtuiting involves synthesizing the seemingly paradoxical or contradictory, which takes understanding to a new level.

Using this process, we can have moments when completely new, unimagined realizations come to us.

 

A disengagement from interactions in the room occurs, followed by a sudden "Aha!" or "That's it!" The sense of the future and the realizations that come from introverted iNtuiting have a sureness and an imperative quality that seem to demand action and help us stay focused on fulfilling our vision or dream of how things will be in the future.

Using this process, we might rely on a focal device or symbolic action to predict, enlighten, or transform.

We could find ourselves laying out how the future will unfold based on unseen trends and telling signs.

This process can involve working out complex concepts or systems of thinking or conceiving of symbolic or novel ways to understand things that are universal.

It can lead to creating transcendent experiences or solutions.

 

 

 

 

The Leading Role (Dominant)

(sometimes referred to as the 1st function)

The process that plays the leading role is the one that usually develops early in childhood. We tend to engage in this process first, trusting it to solve our problems and help us be successful.

Being the most trusted and most used, it usually has an adult, mature quality to it. While we are likely to engage in it rather automatically and effortlessly, we have much more conscious control over it.

The energy cost for using it is very low. Much like in the movies, the leading role has a heroic quality as using it can get us out of difficult situations.

However, we can sometimes "turn up the volume" on this process and become overbearing and domineering. Then it takes on a negative dominating quality.

 

 

Ni is 6th function for Solas. If he is INTJ this would be his strongest, main , 70% active primary function numero uno he is best with. 

Solas exactly have Ni at 6th but not on 1st function. 

Morrigan, on other side, have this thingy on 1st.

Another feature is Fe, which appears evident being primary for Solas, while for  INTJ 7th, Decieving function, means that INTJ with undeveloped functions will not understand and even despise and resent any people who follow social orders and enforce them . This is what Morrigan is, and what Solas is not. Fe is part of his nature, if we follow countless banters, his Ball- and Orlais-related behaviour, His pov on Templars, Mages and Chantry.

[Dermain]

Well, the description's really Cullen IMO...

 

So does the horoscope of Capricorn.

[jellobell]

Well, all this text could be summarized and condensed into few words: " Solas have Ne and Fe and does not have Ni and Fi"

Except we wouldn't have gotten a fascinating character analysis post if they'd left it at that. And simply assigning characters personality types is boring. That's where the "and why" in the thread title comes in. 

[Blackstork]

Except we wouldn't have gotten a fascinating character analysis post if they'd left it at that. And simply assigning characters personality types is boring. That's where the "and why" in the thread title comes in. 

I agree that analysis was really good. My point is to other people to stop seeing MBTI s letter mathematics or horoscope, and post adressed not to quoted posts but to number of posts above it. It have own scientific background , which define the whole system, and some people seems to omit and do not base their judging on it. It is same to judging about gravity on own perception and feelings, even when it conflicts with well-established physics formulas. MBTI types are defined by Jungean functions, 4 primary processes, 4 shadow processes and 8 cognitive functions.

[Sah291]

 I am aware that going by descriptions is prone to error. But I am nonetheless very interested in how functions translate into behavior and well personality.
I am less interested in breaking people down into their functions than I am in finding similarities in behavior and decision making, even if those are perhaps coincidental. I often work the other way round. How does the behavior match the type? I don't have a logical brain (and a bad memory for details), I make emotional connections. If this doesn't sound like an INFJ to you, then perhaps MBTI is not very accurate after all. Because I've done several tests with the same result.
As you say, there are many factors that contribute to how well developed functions are and what we do with these tools. Some people are forced to operate on their shadow functions. A Ni person sometimes fails to predict outcomes too.
I'm not arguing that you're wrong. I just saw similarities between Solas and my type. Emotional reasoning, not strictly fact based. Nothing more.

 

This is so very true. First of all, the corporate environment is not really set up for all personality types to work how we might prefer. Also if you are female, I find there is a very strong social pressure to be ESFJ pretty much no matter what type you are, at least in my country.  MBTI is only as accurate as the writers are consistent with their characterizations. Which is only to a point, since these are not real people, and may do/say things because the plot needs them to.  

 

Personally I think anyone who attempted to do something on the scale Solas did would fail to accurately predict the eventual outcome (no matter how strong Ni they have), because, chaos theory. He's trying to achieve something practically impossible, which is partly where his melancholy comes from I think. It can exist in his mind, but not in reality. Until he meets the Quizzy, and then everything starts changing, and it turns him upside down. The mark is supposed to be some sort of chaos magic I think. However the whole purpose of the Inquisition is to restore order.

[Blackstork]

This is so very true, I can't empathize it enough. First of all, the corporate environment is not really set up for all personality types to work how we might prefer. Also if you are female, I find there is a very strong social pressure to be ESFJ pretty much no matter what type you are, at least in my country.  MBTI is only as accurate as the writers are consistent with their characterizations. Which is only to a point, since these are not real people, and may do/say things because the plot needs them to.  

 

Personally I think anyone who attempted to do something on the scale Solas did would fail to accurately predict the eventual outcome (no matter how strong Ni they have), because, chaos theory. He's trying to achieve something practically impossible, which is partly where his melancholy comes from I think. It can exist in his mind, but not in reality. Until he meets the Quizzy, and then everything starts changing, and it turns him upside down. The mark is supposed to be some sort of chaos magic I think. However the whole purpose of the Inquisition is to restore order.

I am not sure things  going the way as you say, no matter what country you live in. MBTI just arranges on how people see/approach things. What they realize first, and what they realize second. Where they suspect dark and bad, and where they are more comfortable. It's regardless country or conditions. 

I think you here also been misguided by characteristics, very firm and misguiding, being done on different interpritation resources. If you read horoscope-like populistic descritptions from different populistic sites - then i agree with you, but MBTI is about something different, regardless conditions.

 There is very clear way to distinct methods, reactions of person immidiate, under stress, when he calm, what is he in un-disturbed state, and see what MBTI type he is.

 My suggestion is stop judging types by your own subjective understanding of the letters, the function are not even characteristics, they are functions, and they have such classification, as functions, with reason.

[Sah291]

I am not sure things  going the way as you say, no matter what country you live in. MBTI just arranges on how people see/approach things. What they realize first, and what they realize second. Where they suspect dark and bad, and where they are more comfortable. It's regardless country or conditions. 
I think you here also been misguided by characteristics, very firm and misguiding, being done on different interpritation resources. If you read horoscope-like populistic descritptions from different populistic sites - then i agree with you, but MBTI is about something different, regardless conditions.
 There is very clear way to distinct methods, reactions of person immidiate, under stress, when he calm, what is he in un-disturbed state, and see what MBTI type he is.
 My suggestion is stop judging types by your own subjective understanding of the letters, the function are not even characteristics, they are functions, and they have such classification, as functions, with reason.

I think you misunderstand what I meant, I'm not judging based on letters or off a site...just relating personal experience. It's not meant to be taken as an absolute.

You are still assigning functions based on subjective interpretations of characters behavioral patterns same as everyone else. But people said they wanted to hear character analysis and how that relates to behavior not just listing of functions.

[Blackstork]

I think you misunderstand what I meant, I'm not judging based on letters or off a site...just relating personal experience. It's not meant to be taken as an absolute.

You are still assigning functions based on subjective interpretations of characters behavioral patterns same as everyone else. But people said they wanted to hear character analysis and how that relates to behavior not just listing of functions.

I  listing my subjective analyisis on how i see the person being analyzed , yes. but the thing that MBTI is quite objective... i mean if person have dominant Ni, its easy to figure, and this is same as we compare experience of raining weather by different people. Each one percieve rain differently , but all agree that there is rain.

 

And i not only listing functions, i just listed them when people resent some very good posts by me and some other people which did short analysis (based on functions, but it was character analysis), those people based on their "understanding" of MBTI and different populist resource descriptions,, so my posts after that emerged. Post of xLawGamerx is grand, and i quoted his post as approval ,while pointing that some people base their part on subjective, while MBTI creates objective  classification - i.e. classifies difference between "snow" and "rain", and that there could be countless subjective perceptions of them, but that wont change the rules of how those 2 events/terms been classified

Pardon my english, if it is clumsy sometimes - such level of discussion for sure better to be done in native language,

[Sah291]

I  listing my subjective analyisis on how i see the person being analyzed , yes. but the thing that MBTI is quite objective... i mean if person have dominant Ni, its easy to figure, and this is same as we compare experience of raining weather by different people. Each one percieve rain differently , but all agree that there is rain.
 
And i not only listing functions, i just listed them when people resent some very good posts by me and some other people which did short analysis (based on functions, but it was character analysis), those people based on their "understanding" of MBTI and different populist resource descriptions,, so my posts after that emerged. Post of xLawGamerx is grand, and i quoted his post as approval ,while pointing that some people base their part on subjective, while MBTI creates objective  classification - i.e. classifies difference between "snow" and "rain", and that there could be countless subjective perceptions of them, but that wont change the rules of how those 2 events/terms been classified
Pardon my english, if it is clumsy sometimes - such level of discussion for sure better to be done in native language,

I see what you are saying, two people of the same type could come to two completely different conclusions about something, even though they were using a similar thought process. I think people are just noticing trends and enjoying looking at patterns to see how they are similar. It's subjective and generalizing but still interesting nonetheless.

[LostInReverie19]

I always get INTJ. So I'm most like Solas. That doesn't surprise me. And it's also quite flattering considering, well, you know. 

[Blackstork]

I always get INTJ. So I'm most like Solas. That doesn't surprise me. And it's also quite flattering considering, well, you know. 

I think that few people just proved he is NOT INTJ.

Morrigan is INTJ tho.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

So, it seems like the consensus is that Solas is an INTP. Which is my type... and Solas is easily my least favorite out of the twelve major characters this time around. Not sure what that says about me.

[Blackstork]

So, it seems like the consensus is that Solas is an INTP. Which is my type... and Solas is easily my least favorite out of the twelve major characters this time around. Not sure what that says about me.

Or you are not INTP or you are INTP in much better state than Solas, who been actually alot in his, seems not so developed shadow. Well-established type, which aware and careful about his shadow functions will see same type who is not so as bad example who he won't follow. Perhaps this is the case. I am not sure, this is my subjective guess.

 

Btw Fe seems to be the point of conflict between Morrigan and Flemeth, i am not confirming and not denying that she is ENFJ (might be, this is my type, after all, and i have certain back for what Flemeth is, she is strong ENFJ then - if she is ENFJ).

Fe is defenitely serious weak point of Morrigan, esp. in DA:O. And she does not change in that regard much in DA:I. And that point is one of major differencies with Solas. 

 And if we dig all interpritation of Fen'Harel and Mythal story, the union between them seems to be based on Fe, actually. 

[Blackstork]

I can't think of any other Fe type that fits.. She could be INFJ, since she's solitary.. but she doesn't act like it whenever we see her. She's energetic. She's also a visionary and totally embraces the idea of new happenings.. like a Ni type will do. She has those "aha" moments when speaking to Warden or Hawke and grabs hold of opportunities before her. And encourages us to do the same. There's Se and ni working at once. "Watch for that moment, and when it comes, do not hestitate to leap."

 

She's also a shapeshifter. ENFJs are good actors.

She worked on her shadow well, and quite strong ENFJ if she is , then. Which actually fits such ancient persona as Flemythal.  

She is somwhat rude and straighforward which is another proof for her Fi position. 

And in DA:O when she meets HoF is first time its more like : Hey, i cant offer Ti and Se for you, Thats is for you to make/deicide! :V

ah, and i always liked her and way she talks.

 

So far i think yes, i agree that she is ENFJ. So we have 2 ENFJs in the DA crew, well, seems my type is well presented .

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Or you are not INTP or you are INTP in much better state than Solas, who been actually alot in his, seems not so developed shadow. Well-established type, which aware and careful about his shadow functions will see same type who is not so as bad example who he won't follow. Perhaps this is the case. I am not sure, this is my subjective guess.

 

Btw Fe seems to be the point of conflict between Morrigan and Flemeth, i am not confirming and not denying that she is ENFJ (might be, this is my type, after all, and i have certain back for what Flemeth is, she is strong ENFJ then - if she is ENFJ).

Fe is defenitely serious weak point of Morrigan, esp. in DA:O. And she does not change in that regard much in DA:I. And that point is one of major differencies with Solas. 

 And if we dig all interpritation of Fen'Harel and Mythal story, the union between them seems to be based on Fe, actually. 

No, I'm definitely pretty textbook INTP. The Socionics like that you posted, for example, could have been written about me. I guess I'll just chalk it up to a difference in interests since elves and the Fade have zero appeal for me.

[Draconaise]

Based on my interpretations of the characters, I would say with some confidence:

 

Solas - INTJ INTP [I've seen him typed as INTJ, and I disagree. I always test as INTJ myself and to me Solas screams INTP -- he's more concerned with and excited by the theoretical than by practical applications; he's able to ignore his emotions in order to make logical choices, but when angered he can suddenly "snap"; he thinks several steps ahead but he does not create enough contingency plans to be an INTJ; he truly does not care about what others think of him or his appearance, whereas an INTJ would see an advantage in appearing more "put together".]  After Trespasser, I concede -- he is 100% INTJ. Facepalm.

 

Varric - ENFP [I keep seeing ENTP for Varric but I disagree. He thinks of emotional consequences and understands and cares for other people and their feelings, to the extent of putting them before logic or reason. Varric wears his heart on his sleeve.]

 

Cassandra - ISFJ [As many have said before -- I agree.]

 

Vivienne - ENTJ 

Bull - ENFJ 

Morrigan - INTJ

Cole - INFP

Sera - ESFJ

 

The ones I am not too sure about are:

 

Leliana - INFJ (?) / NO IDEA

Dorian - E??? - I kind of ignored him on my first playthrough and he has me totally stumped

Cullen - Probable ISTJ 

Josephine - ESFP / ESFJ ?

Blackwall - No idea

[Dai Grepher]

It's pretty accurate. My Hero of Ferelden who married Anora comes up as ESTJ-A. Anora is ENTJ in that picture on page one, which means they are very similar. Cassandra is ESTJ in the same pic, and she and my Hero get along fine in my Hero of Ferelden playthrough. So, yes, this is actually a pretty accurate test.

[Fredward]

I like Solas as an INTP too and not just cuz I am one. There are the reasons everyone's already stated but there's also this sense of something hard and cold and analytical at his center, yah know? The laid-back and generally unconfrontational exterior isn't faked but there's an uncompromising set of ideals, an idea of how things 'should be' beneath them. Plus, he's an insufferable know-it-all. Some of his interactions ring bells for me too, the way he usually sidesteps Vivienne's scathing remarks, often while simultaneously casting subtle shade. The way he interacts with some companions where he seems to want them to understand  in a general sense but also where he's coming from (you can see this with people like Bull and Sera a lot but not with Viv who he more obviously just clashes with, he doesn't think she can be convinced or 'enlightened' he sees her as having made up her mind in a way that is fundamentally at odds with how he sees things). He's also more dangerous/tricky than he lets on/people assume.

 

Anyway. I don't agree  with the majority of the conclusions he's [ostensibly] reached but I can understand the place he's coming from.