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[Xralius]

It's because reviewers play tons of games and don't give a crap. They only care about the surface of the game since they never actually dive in. DAI has good graphics and music but has zero substance. Reviewers just eat that up. Very frustrating for actual players and long term fans of a series. Anyone who was obsessed with DAO and DA2 has been left very pissed off and disappointed.

[Bladenite1481]

People trash the game on the forums, because when it's not to their likings it's the first place they go. People who enjoy the game tend to not visit the forums and instead are just playing the game. Or the console players who aren't really into pc's and forums in the first place. So you get a really biased negative look from the forums because it will always be players bitching about something. On the other hand it really gives the devs a good idea where they stand. I.e: If the game sold a million copies and you only have 500 people on the forums complaining, the game didn't do that bad. 

Yeah, that's what they said about DA2. 

[Grieving Natashina]

Yeah, that's what they said about DA2. 

Which is why this game has very little in common overall with the major complaints of DA2.  

[alchemist42]

OP:  I disagree.  There’s tons of praise for the game as well!

 

I’d say 90% of the negative stuff is constructive criticism about the PC controls & combat which is fair enough since its obvious the game was targeted at the console market. You’ll notice the console players are a far happier bunch and give it much higher scores!

[Taura-Tierno]

 While the reviews are so good to  the game. I do not understand why is there so much negative feedback while reviewers gave it so much positive feedback.

 Because people who are upset for one reason or another tend to congregate and scream and shout until they are heard, while those who are perfectly content are less likely to speak out and say so.

[Bladenite1481]

I think the over arching design plan is the same from DA2 to DA:I. What some call progress many of their original fans call mimicry. I see nothing new in DAI, I see poor attempts at instilling mechanics from other games. Hybrids and mimicry are normally by nature economically inferior products.  They had a niche, they want to be a big dog so they copied the big dogs, but its not working and they will lose some of their original fans in the process. I know this is the last DA that I will pre-order or pay full price for, its a 20-30$ throw away title for me now and that is what I tell all my friends so they don't waste their money. 

 

The developers are not stupid though, they had to know that.  They are gambling that their new style will not only remove the need for the former fans, but make their entire pie a bit bigger. The problem is I don't think DA:I has anything to make it stand out. Everything that DAI does I have another game for and that game does it better. 

[Weltall]

This is a feedback forum. Typically, people posting here are going to do so primarily to voice their complaints. There's a small handful who are raging that they're completely done with this game and calling it unplayable. Most of the rest of us have a few issues with it and this is the appropriate place to voice that. In general, I still like the game and I'm still playing it.

[Dakota Strider]

For those that are in the chorus of "only complainers complain", and everything is fine...  I would like to dispute it with a bit of anecdotal evidence.  I have played plenty of games that have left me disappointed, and paid full price for most of them.  I did not bother going to their forums, or other fansites to complain. I really had nothing invested in those games, except a small portion of my paycheck, and several evenings of time.  I also did not have an almost two decade relationship of supporting those companies' games. 

 

Bioware built a very loyal customer base, based on delivering some of the best CRPG's in the market.  And for a long time, each time Bioware released a new fantasy CRPG, they raised the bar higher.  Fans of the company supported this companies products, almost blindly, because not only did they put out the type of products we wanted, but they also made us feel like part of the community.  We had a great symbiotic relationship...they pumped out games we loved, and we bought them all.

 

When DAO came out, the main complaint (besides inevitable bugs), was from the console crowd, who complained that they could not do as much on their gaming platform, as the PC players could.  I am sure I am one of many that thought it was silly for them to attempt to play a CRPG so complex on a platform other than a PC.  And we did not mind that our partner, Bioware, had found more friends in the console market.  We thought that the extra income would help them to put out even bigger and better games, as technology allowed.

 

Well, we were half right.  The games kept getting bigger, but many of us question if they have gotten better.  And the PC gamer now feels like Bioware has dumped us for the bimbo that is easily amused by pretty graphics and flashy animations, but does not care about the heart of an RPG.  Bioware now decides that instead of making the best game possible for the PC, and then porting as much as possible into the console market, it is easier to make a dumbed down version of a game that is optimal for a console, but far below the capabilities of a PC.

 

So yes, we complain.  We do so, because we care.  If this was one of the many other games on the market, where I had only a few dollars invested in, I would not bother.  But, I see a company that I have supported over the years, (as much as I have ever supported a company), not only spurning my support, but also destroying the legacy it had built, I feel obligated to make my voice heard.  Obviously, some of it is self interest.  But it is also because I don't want Bioware to be just another run-of-the-mill game company, that pumps out clones of other games just for the sake of market share.

[The Earl Of Bronze]

DAI is a mediocre game. Its nothing like DAO. Gameplay is poor, story is boring, combat is terrible, characters are not interesting, the side quests are tedious and pointless, main characters involvement feels forced, levelling up and character development are overly simplified and unrewarding. I could go on. I've stopped playing.

[Pauravi]

the "professional" reviews on so called "AAA"-games are almost always good, regardless of whether the respective games are great, only "acceptable" or even bad. nothing to be surprised of.

 

I think it has more to do with the fact that the vastly higher number of people who are enjoying the game are too busy playing it to come here and make threads about it.  A lot of people like to think that this forum is a representative slice of BioWare's audience, but I think it leans heavily towards people who love to gripe very loudly and who think that bashing BioWare is trendy.

[Tsunami Chef]

This is the BSN, the same place that trashed both DA:O & ME2 at release & both are now seen as great games, is just a very negative forum so is not surprising its the only place where there's more negative feedback then positive

This....people like to forget history. This forum has hated on basically any new game Bioware has produced as way worse than their previous greats. That combined with half the people on this forum not being Dragon Age fans, but just being DA:O fans and hating everything else ever associated with it.

[Bladenite1481]

I think it has more to do with the fact that the vastly higher number of people who are enjoying the game are too busy playing it to come here and make threads about it.  A lot of people like to think that this forum is a representative slice of BioWare's audience, but I think it leans heavily towards people who love to gripe very loudly and who think that bashing BioWare is trendy.

Well I can tell you that none of my tabletop RPG group like the game. So while I do not believe the dislike is omni-present, I don't think it's quite as empty as you think it is either. 

[Tsunami Chef]

For those that are in the chorus of "only complainers complain", and everything is fine...  I would like to dispute it with a bit of anecdotal evidence.  I have played plenty of games that have left me disappointed, and paid full price for most of them.  I did not bother going to their forums, or other fansites to complain. I really had nothing invested in those games, except a small portion of my paycheck, and several evenings of time.  I also did not have an almost two decade relationship of supporting those companies' games. 

 

Bioware built a very loyal customer base, based on delivering some of the best CRPG's in the market.  And for a long time, each time Bioware released a new fantasy CRPG, they raised the bar higher.  Fans of the company supported this companies products, almost blindly, because not only did they put out the type of products we wanted, but they also made us feel like part of the community.  We had a great symbiotic relationship...they pumped out games we loved, and we bought them all.

 

When DAO came out, the main complaint (besides inevitable bugs), was from the console crowd, who complained that they could not do as much on their gaming platform, as the PC players could.  I am sure I am one of many that thought it was silly for them to attempt to play a CRPG so complex on a platform other than a PC.  And we did not mind that our partner, Bioware, had found more friends in the console market.  We thought that the extra income would help them to put out even bigger and better games, as technology allowed.

 

Well, we were half right.  The games kept getting bigger, but many of us question if they have gotten better.  And the PC gamer now feels like Bioware has dumped us for the bimbo that is easily amused by pretty graphics and flashy animations, but does not care about the heart of an RPG.  Bioware now decides that instead of making the best game possible for the PC, and then porting as much as possible into the console market, it is easier to make a dumbed down version of a game that is optimal for a console, but far below the capabilities of a PC.

 

So yes, we complain.  We do so, because we care.  If this was one of the many other games on the market, where I had only a few dollars invested in, I would not bother.  But, I see a company that I have supported over the years, (as much as I have ever supported a company), not only spurning my support, but also destroying the legacy it had built, I feel obligated to make my voice heard.  Obviously, some of it is self interest.  But it is also because I don't want Bioware to be just another run-of-the-mill game company, that pumps out clones of other games just for the sake of market share.

Can people please stop acting like they talk for a group when all anyone here talks for is the 300 other angry PC fans on this forum? I am a "PC Gamer" and I didn't feel this way at all. I thought it was just as much of a RPG as DA:O, with a lot less annoying elements and combat that wasn't so slow i had to read a book while doing it.

 

You're not wrong for disliking Inquisition, but this idea that true gamers have an idea what a real RPG is, and Inquisition isn't it, is ****** laughably narcissistic of you guys. The RPG gaming world doesn't revolve around what you guys consider an RPG, and the definition sure as hell isn't what you guys describe.

 

You can post about your feelings for a game without acting like you're ****** the Che Gueverra of PC gaming. You can just say "I didn't like it.", without acting like you have a movement of people behind you.

 

Me and the "Truest of the true PC gamers" have deigned that Dragon Age Inquisition is the perfect shining beacon of what a RPG is supposed to be. Bioware now needs to decide whether they will appease the true gamers who love dumbed down idiotic gameplay, or they can appeal to the truest of the true PC gamers who only stand for true RPG mechanics, genius storytelling, and true greatness.

[Pauravi]

DAI is a mediocre game. Its nothing like DAO. Gameplay is poor, story is boring, combat is terrible, characters are not interesting, the side quests are tedious and pointless, main characters involvement feels forced, levelling up and character development are overly simplified and unrewarding. I could go on. I've stopped playing.

 

You think ORIGINS has better combat and less simplistic character development??

Oh wait you're serious.  Let me laugh even harder! XD XD

 

And yeah, sure, getting poultices for Elder Miriam or running around recruiting conscripts for a mercenary group (that you aren't even a part of) is not nearly as tedious and fetch-questy as finding food and blankets for the peasants you're supposed to be protecting in the name of your organization.  Sure, whatever you say.

 

Okay well, have fun playing Origins with rose-colored glasses again.  Since you've stopped playing hopefully we can look forward to your absence.

[Dakota Strider]

I did say "anecdotal evidence", which means I was talking about my own experiences, as well as other PC gamers I know.  And while I do not claim to represent all PC or CRPGer's, I do know what I like.  And I believe this particular thread asks the question, "Why does this game disappoint people?" and not "Let's bash the people that are disappointed in this game".  In that regard, I think my post is far more valid, than yours. 

[Pauravi]

Well I can tell you that none of my tabletop RPG group like the game. So while I do not believe the dislike is omni-present, I don't think it's quite as empty as you think it is either. 

 

Like minds gather.  Choosing a survey that consists entirely of people in the same friend group is what you'd call "selective bias".

I'm a tabletop gamer too, and I love it.

[Jaizek]

For those that are in the chorus of "only complainers complain", and everything is fine...  I would like to dispute it with a bit of anecdotal evidence.  I have played plenty of games that have left me disappointed, and paid full price for most of them.  I did not bother going to their forums, or other fansites to complain. I really had nothing invested in those games, except a small portion of my paycheck, and several evenings of time.  I also did not have an almost two decade relationship of supporting those companies' games. 

 

Bioware built a very loyal customer base, based on delivering some of the best CRPG's in the market.  And for a long time, each time Bioware released a new fantasy CRPG, they raised the bar higher.  Fans of the company supported this companies products, almost blindly, because not only did they put out the type of products we wanted, but they also made us feel like part of the community.  We had a great symbiotic relationship...they pumped out games we loved, and we bought them all.

 

When DAO came out, the main complaint (besides inevitable bugs), was from the console crowd, who complained that they could not do as much on their gaming platform, as the PC players could.  I am sure I am one of many that thought it was silly for them to attempt to play a CRPG so complex on a platform other than a PC.  And we did not mind that our partner, Bioware, had found more friends in the console market.  We thought that the extra income would help them to put out even bigger and better games, as technology allowed.

 

Well, we were half right.  The games kept getting bigger, but many of us question if they have gotten better.  And the PC gamer now feels like Bioware has dumped us for the bimbo that is easily amused by pretty graphics and flashy animations, but does not care about the heart of an RPG.  Bioware now decides that instead of making the best game possible for the PC, and then porting as much as possible into the console market, it is easier to make a dumbed down version of a game that is optimal for a console, but far below the capabilities of a PC.

 

So yes, we complain.  We do so, because we care.  If this was one of the many other games on the market, where I had only a few dollars invested in, I would not bother.  But, I see a company that I have supported over the years, (as much as I have ever supported a company), not only spurning my support, but also destroying the legacy it had built, I feel obligated to make my voice heard.  Obviously, some of it is self interest.  But it is also because I don't want Bioware to be just another run-of-the-mill game company, that pumps out clones of other games just for the sake of market share.

Shrunk post to keep it a short looking post. 

That said, You have spoken for a lot of us who agree with where you are coming from. I agree this game has been watered down so its better for console, or was just brought over from console to here in the first place and added more Graphical enhanced options. But even though it has been dumbed down I still enjoy it, maybe not as much in someways as far as choices having any affect on story, CC(bleh), No modding community, and clunky KB+M controls(hopfully fixed soon), but there has been some really nice additions such as change of story while bring in some of the story from previous games, New combat which makes it a unique feel again(hate the 8 ability limit), new characters, Massive area, Crafting, Mounts(not really usefull but neato gang) and lots of dragons, although I wish I could still jump on its head before it dies and slam that sword in his head to kill it like DAO.

 

Over all I think they did an amazing job bringing a console game to PC. Can't exspect much more from it but I do agree I wish they Made a PC Style game and ported it to console. Cause it worked for PS3 and 360 on DAO and DA2.

[StrangeStrategy]

I LOVE the game, but most of my feedback has been "negative" because I see no reason to say everytime "AWESOME job on this, this, this, etc."

The stuff I don't like and think should be changed to make the game better for everyone is what I'll be vocal about. I want to help make the game better by offering constructive criticism and honest feedback. I "complain" because I care.

In short: People are louder when they're unhappy about something. If they're content, you won't hear from them as often unless you ask.

[Jaizek]

I LOVE the game, but most of my feedback has been "negative" because I see no reason to say everytime "AWESOME job on this, this, this, etc."

The stuff I don't like and think should be changed to make the game better for everyone is what I'll be vocal about. I want to help make the game better by offering constructive criticism and honest feedback. I "complain" because I care.

In short: People are louder when they're unhappy about something. If they're content, you won't hear from them as often unless you ask.

I would thumbs up you but I ran out of them for today.

 

I agree, I love this game even though I switched from PC to XBOX to play it on a 32 inch tv hard going from the Surround to single but anyways the point is even with the bad(and there is lots) I still love it but tell the bad so that they at least know what peoples opinions are.

 

Mom makes supper, uses stale old noodles that make supper taste horrible, do you say nothing and eat it and get sick or do you tell mom hey the noodles taste bad, then she taste them and goes eww your right, LET ME FIX THAT FOR YOU..... In other words Voicing concerns is Needed. Then the Devs can get together and try out these issues and decide where to go. More then likely decide on what is going to save them and make them more money then what is going to cost them money. but hey if you don't tell they won't know.

 

Thanks again for fixing my noodles mom

[Bladenite1481]

Like minds gather.  Choosing a survey that consists entirely of people in the same friend group is what you'd call "selective bias".

I'm a tabletop gamer too, and I love it.

If you really want to get into aggregate theory then we can, but sufficed to say that a collection that either one of us could gather would mean very little if you're interested in actual hard facts. That having been said, if you really want to go that route then anything you think is just as useless and non-derivative, so by your own evaluation anything you say is pretty much worthless. 

[Dan Matrix]

The Xbox 360 port is one of the worst ports in history and is total grounds to be dissapointed and angry. Endless bugs, glitches and alot of the graphics look like PS1/Xbox quality. Not only that but the 360 & PS3 players are being totally stonewalled/ignored by Bioware. Its some of the worst customer service I have ever experienced.

[The Earl Of Bronze]

Pauravi, DAI combat is vastly inferior to DAO, if you think otherwise then you are not worth my time.

[TurianRebels]

It's obvious that the beginning area was given the most QC/polish because it was the only thing people would see before release of the game. Story is short, less features than previous DA games, etc. etc.

 

Cutscenes were so bad that people were not allowed to show them prior to launch... they have yet to be fixed.

 

To answer the main question: the reason people on this board are dissatisfied with DAI is because they've played other BioWare games and notice a difference in quality.

[Nefla]

People on the BSN get extremely worked up and overdramatic.

[HozzMidnight]

While the reviews are so good to  the game. I do not understand why is there so much negative feedback while reviewers gave it so much positive feedback.

Lot of PC gamers that were lied to.