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[TurianRebels]

Where as the other people who are enjoying it are doing Multiple play through's and only coming on the Forum to post bugs and things that need fixing then going back to playing the game.

 

I played ME 6 times all the way through. Couldn't get enough.

I played DAO at least 3 times. Loved the quests.

This game? I finished once, started four more characters, but have lost interest.

I'd really have to kick myself to muck through all the quests again... there's no reward for doing anything.

 

So now I'm in Multiplayer, about 140 hrs so far, and losing interest.

Le sigh. This is the way of things.

[Grieving Natashina]

It's because reviewers play tons of games and don't give a crap. They only care about the surface of the game since they never actually dive in. DAI has good graphics and music but has zero substance. Reviewers just eat that up. Very frustrating for actual players and long term fans of a series. Anyone who was obsessed with DAO and DA2 has been left very pissed off and disappointed.

For the love of...

 

I am an "actual player," whatever the hell that is supposed to mean.  I've also been a long time fan of the company, since the first Baldur's Gate.  The only games I have not played by BioWare was KotOR (I didn't own a computer at the time, but I have been meaning to get to it.  I have it installed) and Jade Empire.  I've played the rest.

 

I love all DA games; I've got 8 Wardens that made it to the end, and 10 Hawkes.  I've modded my games, and unlike most game franchises (where I don't touch the extended canon with a 10' pole,) actually bought some of the EU, like Asunder, The Masked Empire and WoT.   I was turned onto the series back in early 2011, right after DA2 came out.  Maybe I'm not long term enough?  Or something? 

 

I'm not pissed off.  I'm enjoying the game, and also giving constructive feedback to the company with the issues that I have seen.  I am frustrated with some of the issues, sure, and I've been giving criticisms accordingly.   However, I feel for my own experience, I got my money's worth.  

 

I respect you had a bad time, and don't feel the same way.   I wouldn't ask or demand that you feel differently.  

 

I do have to ask, what's with you trying to speak for every other DA fan out there?  

 

So, because I'm not angry, or feel lied to, or that I have the audacity to enjoy Inquisition, am I no longer an "actual player and long time fan?"

[hwf]

 While the reviews are so good to  the game. I do not understand why is there so much negative feedback while reviewers gave it so much positive feedback.

 

This is the forum where folks can expect their feedback to reach Bioware.

Now the developers don't just read these forums - but when people desperately want to give feedback they'd rather not take chances and have it be wasted.

 

Unfortunately it typically means that everyone who cares about the game but has a gripe, even a minor one, will give their feedback here.

And that's typically... well, a complaint of sorts.

 

One non-bioware forum that I lurk on from time to time that discusses all sorts of games had one well spoken (and well informed) negative nancy drilled DAI into the ground before it was even released. Yet he quickly shut up once he noticed that it was actually well received by the other forum posters.

 

I've seen people compare DAI favourably to Skyrim - now that is a compliment, imo! But you won't read that on these forums.

 

Bioware's Team Thedas did well

[Owlbear]

The game you're playing now, with all of its bugs, shortfalls and compromises, will never stack up to the fond memories of the games you played before.

 

I liked DA:O, but at the time, I got frustrated with it. There was a lot of grinding. Combat was generally a slugfest that required spamming your best abilities as fast as you could. Starting at Lothering and up until the Sacred Ashes quest was done, the game was sprawling and the pacing poor. Fetch quests abounded, and you could do them without even knowing what they were, since your map showed you all the things you needed to click on. Too much reading of codex entries: the designers created a rich backstory (which is good) but they were too eager to tell it all to you rather than give you just enough for you to understand the context of what you were doing and to give you some flavour, and so they buried some of the important exposition inside a mass of text that was mostly unneeded and a bit of a slog to read through. DA:I had a lot of the same problems, plus some new ones, but I'm already softening my view of the game after playing it through once, and I'm going back for a second run. I explored less than half the world the first time around, so there's new stuff to do. Sure, the gameplay is repetitive–it has been in the world of CRPGs since the first Ultima and Bard's Tale–but it's still fun to uncover a new secret, dungeon, item (even if Dragon Age items are the most terribly generic things since the original sword +1) and occasional awe-inspiring vista.

 

Overall, I don't think that DA:I is as good as DA:O, but I don't think it's a bad game by any means, though it does seem to go out of its way to conceal that fact. It is better in some respects. There are bugs and compromises, which I don't like, but I also don't necessarily want to pay $100 for a bug-free game, or sacrifice story in order to make hairdos look a little better. Time is money and there's only so much of either that you can put into a game and make it commercially viable. It's different from DA:O, which isn't intrinsically good or bad, but it is essential. As fondly as many of us remember DA:O, if DA:I were the same game with a different story, I think we'd all be a little disappointed as well.

[otis0310]

The main reason I dislike the game is that I was wanting another Dragon Age game.  The company said it was a "pc game made by pc gamers"  and that the combat was "mix between dragon age 1 and 2".

 

Well looking at the controls we can see it a VERY lazy console port.  Most of the interface was obviously designed for consoles in mind, and if the consolers bought a game whose interface mostly revolved around a keyboard and mouse and was simply ported over to a controller they would be angry too. 

 

As someone said, there is a problem in the game if you can see design decisions that could only make sense if you were playing on a different platform.

 

I believe this is true, regardless of what platform you use.

 

As for the combat, the pace of  the combat is actually correct.  So one could say they were telling the truth if one says "DA:O was too slow, DA2 was too fast, this is right in the middle".

 

But that was not the impression they gave me, to me they were talking about the combat mechanics, not the speed.  At least that was the impression I got.  Possibly due to the fact that they advertised that "tactical camera" so many times.

 

Again looking at it from that point of view, both the previous games had tactics that let you customize the AI and how it behaves.  DAO was exceptionally good at that, so for instance you can say to Alistair if my mage is under melee attack use taunt to drag the enemy off of me.  Or say to  Zevran, if you are surrounding by x enemies, use whirlwind.  Or to Lelliana if x enemies are bunched together use bursting arrow.

 

In DA2 the combat is so simplified that even though they had tactics they were for the most part not needed.   All the AI does is spawn wave after wave of enemies and have them attack you on mass.  As a result of the enemy AI being so bad you can just let your companions go with minimal tactics at all.

 

Now to me, when they said "The combat is a mix between DA2 and DAO" they meant they were going back towards the tactical combat.  This was reinforced by them showing off the tactical cam so many times.  Instead I got an action oriented game whose combat was streamlined even more than DA2s was with an AI that was next to useless coupled with a complete lack of tactics other than "preferred".

 

As a result I feel, that as a gamer I was lied to, intentionally misled in fact.  They seemed to make promises that they were back towards the DAO way of doing things and ended up doing the opposite.

 

Therefore I feel I have a right to be upset.

[ShinsFortress]

  You don't agree with the reviewer about a game, therefore he must be a sell out?  Last time I watched AJ, he was only speaking his opinion.  That hasn't changed, and I never felt he was selling out when he praised a couple of games I couldn't stand.

 

So, if a reviewer agrees with your point of view, then they are legitimate.  If they disagree with your opinion, then they have to be a sell out.    Gotcha.

 

From my point of view, yes.  You assumed I say so based only on his review of DA:I.  And incorrect assumption.

 

As he's got his, genuine or not, I've got mine.  If the 'difference' was minor, I wouldn't have used the specific language.  I used to like and agree with Angry Joe a lot.  I've found myself doing so less and less since DA2 which he didn't go anywhere near far enough as far as I am concerned.

[Aurok]

The response seems as mixed everywhere else I visit as it is here as far as I can tell. Not with reviewers ofc because they love any AAA game which a) has a marketing budget & b ) isn't so broken that they can't possibly ignore it.

[Thy Majestie]

In my opinion, fans were probably hoping for something a lot closer to the original DA:O game. I was disappointed with DA2 and the reused areas for the game, but the first one was probably the best for the story, gameplay and how it came across overall. It looks like this had its focus on the consoles more than the PC, whereas I read the focus of the first game was for PC and then ported to consoles.

 

I would have liked if there were separate stories from the start for the game like that of DA:O, as well as choosing to play with mouse instead. It feels like I'm playing Tera with this. The one other thing, is I loved going through castles in the first game. I've barely seen any in this one. 

 

My only other issues with it, is the annoying inventory that could have been made so much simpler. The bad tactical camera location/angle. Side mouse buttons being unusable, hard-coded F1-F4 functions for multiplayer (I play left-handed). And the MP could have been a lot better as well. At first, I thought it was good. Until I seen that it's just the same thing every time with 5 zones in one of 3 areas being played over and over. I think a short separate co-op mode alongside the campaign would have been better. Not something that feels like a short WoW instance.

[Thy Majestie]

This is the BSN, the same place that trashed both DA:O & ME2 at release & both are now seen as great games, is just a very negative forum so is not surprising its the only place where there's more negative feedback then positive

 

May be a stupid quesion, but what's the BSN? I've never heard that abbreviation before.

I wasn't aware of people disliking DA:O first. I thought it was loved by most people. Even on Metacritic it only had about 50 out of 400 disliking it. I didn't hear that about ME2 as well. I only heard people moaning about ME3 due to something within the story, which I have still yet to do.

[Grieving Natashina]

May be a stupid quesion, but what's the BSN? I've never heard that abbreviation before.

I wasn't aware of people disliking DA:O first. I thought it was loved by most people. Even on Metacritic it only had about 50 out of 400 disliking it. I didn't hear that about ME2 as well. I only heard people moaning about ME3 due to something within the story, which I have still yet to do.

BioWare Social Network.  It was the name for the forums for several years (though not the entire time the BW forums have existed.)  They changed it from the BSN back in February of this year, when the format change happened.  Now it's just the BW forums officially, but the BSN handle stuck.

[Spectre Impersonator]

My negative feedback stems from the game feeling incomplete... as though it was rushed out untested and unpolished, especially the flow of the story. Judging by Bioware admitting that they didn't have the time they wanted to put content into the game, this is the truth.

[Helgagrim]

I don't get why people are dissapointed in this game. The combat is miles better than it ever was in DAO and DA2. The world is more interesting, the quests are more enjoyable and the controls are really amazing compared to the other two previous games. The characters you meet and recruit are well written, interesting, and I feel like I want to get to know them. In DAO only Leliana and Morrigan mattered to me, in this game, I kinda wanna get to know them all.

 

All though I have really found memories of DAO and DA2, to me, Inquisition simply is a better game all around. Bioware can't produce the same games they did back in 2009. The gaming industry has changed so much in just a few short years, so in order to actually survive, their games needs to relate to a more modern audience as well. Games change, games evolve, and that's how it's needs to be.

[Spitfire]

In the end (speaking for myself) it is self-evident that DA:I is overall a great game. But is it a great pc game? I would have to answer that it is as good as a hybrid console port is going to get from Bioware at this point. I think the problem may lie with perhaps the current class of developers themselves being mainly console couch players, and thus their own preferrences and tastes are reflected in their product.

 

I don't know this for sure, but I would wager that most of the Bioware devs game exclusively on consoles in their downtime. I would say the same goes for their quality assurance folks and pretty much everyone over at PC-Gamer that reviewed DA:I without mentioning ANY of the obvious PC detriments at all. (Yeah, I just said that PC-Gamer is full of console gamers at heart).   It sure does seem that way lately, hmm?

[Kendaric Varkellen]

I don't get why people are dissapointed in this game. The combat is miles better than it ever was in DAO and DA2. The world is more interesting, the quests are more enjoyable and the controls are really amazing compared to the other two previous games. The characters you meet and recruit are well written, interesting, and I feel like I want to get to know them. In DAO only Leliana and Morrigan mattered to me, in this game, I kinda wanna get to know them all.

 

All though I have really found memories of DAO and DA2, to me, Inquisition simply is a better game all around. Bioware can't produce the same games they did back in 2009. The gaming industry has changed so much in just a few short years, so in order to actually survive, their games needs to relate to a more modern audience as well. Games change, games evolve, and that's how it's needs to be.

 

Different strokes for different people, I utterly loathe the combat in DA:I but love combat in DA:O. Where DA:I definitely wins is the larger world + exploration, quest quality varies greatly in both games.

 

To me the ideal game would have been the world, exploration and companion writing of DA:I with the class, skill & combat system of DA:O (with improvements of course).

[helpthisguyplease]

Well most triple AAA games are released for consoles only and that is why consoles became the primary gaming medium you can play more games on them, very very good games. Is not that consoles are better to use or more easy to play on them is because consoles have more great games available only on them.

[Darkly Tranquil]

*Furiously mashes "Like" on Kendaric Varkellen's post*

[AlexMBrennan]

While the reviews are so good to  the game. I do not understand why is there so much negative feedback while reviewers gave it so much positive feedback.

Obvious troll is obvious.

 

All though I have really found memories of DAO and DA2, to me, Inquisition simply is a better game all around. Bioware can't produce the same games they did back in 2009. The gaming industry has changed so much in just a few short years, so in order to actually survive, their games needs to relate to a more modern audience as well. Games change, games evolve, and that's how it's needs to be.

I wish I could believe that this is happening - you're still wrong, of course (if you were a fan of Stephen King then you wouldn't be happy if he switched to writing Twilight fanfiction even though that would be new and an "evolution" of Stephen King novels) but...

 

...the more realistic explanation is that everyone has seen how much money CoD and WoW and whatever else happens to be popular right now is raking in, and therefore all games now have to appeal to these markets, as demonstrated by the mountain of failed "WoW killers". I mean, why make a game that your relatively small fan audience will like (keep in mind that DA fans are fans because they liked DA, and not because they hoped that Bioware might eventually turn the series into an action "RPG") when there are millions of WoW/CoD players you could be targeting? Surely this time Bioware's WoW killer will work... oh wait

[Jaizek]

And don't forget You can't even use the Inquisition armor you buy from Haven's merchant passed level 0. Waste of content added when you Run the inquisition and not even have the Schematics to build your own t1 t2 t3 t4 versions of it. if you have no clue what armor this is, go to Haven on a new play through and visit the merchant inside the gates. It would be nice having moddable armor of this as it's for the "Inquisition"

[Razir-Samus]

ppl on these boards want there top down point n click DA:O2, if BioWare dont give them exactly that they will simply beat every game released by the company into the ground, bioware is not allowed to move on in the new directions they have, but to stay the same company they were 10 - 20 years ago and not move on with times and a younger generation with newer demands/outlooks for there games

bollocks, who demanded they completely change the franchise? i'm pretty sure most of us asked them to improve upon what was already a tried and tested set of systems, not take several steps back in many regards

[Sartoz]

Given all the criticism ( much of it warranted I believe) expressed by longtime fans of the series ( and until recently fiercely loyal Bioware supporters)the least EA/Bioware should do is be upfront about the whole situation and declare in no uncertain terms that from now on the DA franchise will consist of console-oriented action games with some RPGesque elements rather than the true blue RPGs they have created in the past. This way fans both old and new will have a crystal clear idea of what to expect the next time a game under the Dragon Age name is produced by EA/Bioware. Once this is done, let the chips fall where they may.

 

Those that love DAO and other games in the same vein will find other companies that can make the types of RPG games we believe are worth our time and money.

That requires a company president or the execs to have a moral backbone. Capitalism is the antithesis of moral decisions from any company that sells:

 

A) a product.. and..

has competion is the same market

 

More so, when the company is listed in a stock exchange,  

 

Next thing, publishers will ask gamers to pre-order the pre-order. 

[Kouri]

ill give u an honest review...The game is great love the story line and the character react to each other decisions of your character but....some of the are buggy ...some having EXP low FPS some getting glitch ...so yeah 

[Ruin1776]

Because virtually every aspect of this game reeks of lazy design. I won't even get into tactics, AI, optimization, bugtesting, endless fetch quests and hundreds of other issued but seriously? A game that is in development for three years has about four short hairstyles and 12 different buzzcuts for each character? What in gods name were they doing for three years? Even Dragon Age 2 which almost everyone agrees was rushed managed to get hairstyles and tactics right!

[DaemionMoadrin]

I don't get why people are dissapointed in this game. The combat is miles better than it ever was in DAO and DA2. The world is more interesting, the quests are more enjoyable and the controls are really amazing compared to the other two previous games. The characters you meet and recruit are well written, interesting, and I feel like I want to get to know them. In DAO only Leliana and Morrigan mattered to me, in this game, I kinda wanna get to know them all.

 

All though I have really found memories of DAO and DA2, to me, Inquisition simply is a better game all around. Bioware can't produce the same games they did back in 2009. The gaming industry has changed so much in just a few short years, so in order to actually survive, their games needs to relate to a more modern audience as well. Games change, games evolve, and that's how it's needs to be.

 

On the off chance that you didn't read the thread yet and just commented after reading the first post... http://forum.bioware...rum/?p=18083879

[Mirth]

I agree with another poster. When I don't enjoy a game, I don't bother going to their forum to complain, I just stop playing and move along.
When I have enjoyed previous titles from a company, buy a much anticipated sequel to my favorite rpg of all time, and it doesn't come close to what I hoped it be??? Yeah... now ill complain, but only because I care.