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[Rekkampum]

 While the reviews are so good to  the game. I do not understand why is there so much negative feedback while reviewers gave it so much positive feedback.

 

It's called an opinion. Like a certain orifice, everybody has one. There are people who don't mind the tediousness of the questing system - you basically had it as a given in old-school rpg games - as much as others do. Not to mention devving for some consoles can introduce complications others don't experience. The PC version, for instance, is a bit cumbersome to play in terms of mechanics. Or for a more poignant example, consider what happened with PS3 players who owned Skyrim. No gaming experience is definitive or monolithic. There are some I know who've experienced dozens of glitches including quest-ruining ones and problems importing world states from the Keep; others haven't had them that bad.

 

A game also doesn't have to be perfect to earn the GOTY title. TWD got that a while back and it was clumsy and glitchy as hell; many even questioned its right to even be considered a "game" in the first place. So I wouldn't put much stock into the hype and would stick to following those I know who share my interests re: reviews or wing it and try it for myself.

EDIT: More or less just a general statement and my take on things. Note that ever since EA happened, there's been way more negativity up here - some justified - than before.

[bEVEsthda]

So it's OK for a company to tell you one thing, promote it, make videos about it, then sell you something else? 

 

How about standing up and demand the goods they said will be in the product?

 

What? Are you telling me you will still buy a frozen dinner that says Chicken with Vegetables. The picture on the box shows LOTS of big chicken pieces and after you buy it and cook it and open it to find only two small pieces of chicken?  Are you telling all of us that it's OK?  Just let it go?

 

Well, look at it this way: Me and EA go a long way back. I know what I can expect from them. They rarely surprise me (That would be Mirrors Edge. How did that little gem become developed under the EA rule? Ironically it didn't sell). I expect a disappointment, and hope it won't be too bitter. ...- So... - Why don't you?

Well, also look at it this way: I knew many months ago, maybe even year, that it wouldn't be DA:O:2. I also strongly suspected it would be DA2:2, only expanded and improved. ...- So... - Why didn't you?

 

You claim they lied to you. I'm not sure what you mean. I don't think anybody lied to me. Every time I asked the developers: "What things from DA:O will there be in DA:I?" I was met with deafening silence. Every time! And every time anybody else also asked that question. Just silence! I can take a hint. Also from D.G as he said, basically, that DA2 maybe didn't fail so much because of the changes they tried to make, as maybe because they weren't done good enough. (He's a fool to think that of course, but it's a clear hint how the developers and the black, many-tentacled, franchise-eating monster that lives inside EA, were reasoning and discussing things).

 

PC interface?  I don't think anyone exactly lied to me about that either. I did see an EA marketing video, made in panic when they suddenly realized their market-make-believe was false and the PC was an important market. Being an EA marketing video, one has to watch it carefully, ignore the message the title/headline tries to convey, and listen closely. Here we saw clips of Mike Laidlaw talking about the game in general - not the PC-version - and in passing mention that DA:O originally was made for the PC. In similar clips we see Aaryn Flynn tell us he used to be a PC gamer. Also without any other context, except, of course, the one the title still tries to give us. What remains is Elizabeth saying some stupid things. We still don't know what context and emphasis she thought she were making those statements in. Does it matter? Maybe not, but I can well see how she could make those comments in an innocent manner. She's enthusiastic about telling about the game. She believes the things she says are true. And maybe they simply never had time to finish it the way she thought it would be.

 

You could still say the company lied to you, of course, about the PC interface. But when did EA marketing not lie to you? Should be nothing new, and you're still buying EA-games? Come to think about it - when do any marketing not lie to you? Generally speaking?

What kind of frozen dinner do you buy? It's not right, of course, and we should continue to point finger at EA for everything wrong they do. But try to stay grounded.

 

But I was not speaking of such things in my post. I was speaking about the game. I kinda like DA:I. I hate the PC-interface, but I still kinda like the game. Because I see it as a standalone. I couldn't do that with DA2. DA2 ruined the DA franchise of DA:O. I'm always going to be bitter about that. But it's water under the bridge. I hate DA2 for it. But I'm not gonna hate DA:I for it. What's dead is dead.

I'm not disappointed in DA:I. It turned out pretty much the way I expected it to. Enjoyable, big and pretty, but rather shallow role-play. Shallow is still better than the none of DA2. The two mild surprises were, that it's actually a better game than I expected, and the PC-interface is much worse than I expected.

 

Hopefully, the PC interface will be fixed eventually. I do think we are standing up and demanding that they deliver a better PC-UI. When I said "let it go" I was mainly thinking about the DA of DA:O. Meanwhile, I still play the game. Another day I'll tell them about everything I think should have been different. But not today.

[northsidelunatic]

the question is what redeeming qualities does this game have, I mean I could go thru this game  like the angry video game nerd  and point  out  non stop design flaws  , plus a lot of features that were even in game in 2008 are missing, it's a bland experience,  and not very good entertainment,    if I thought it was great I would say so  ,  I use to dislike a realm reborn but after playing this I  started to appreciate  that game , at least  the boss fight were  exciting...  and you know with the enemy's   that reappear evreytime I turn around and the fact the game forget's  I just leveled up and restores my health after I died and a auto save loads  maybe the developers only experience is with nintendo

[massive_effect]

I'm enjoying the game but I am a little annoyed I have to test out every skill/ability to see if it actually works. There's so many bugs right now I can't imagine how they didn't address them pre-launch. Frankly it's embarrassing, their testers need to get their thumb out of their ass'.

 

It's not the testers' fault. It's the producer who decides to fix the bugs. (The Final Bosman show on gametrailers.com pointed this out.)

[taglag]

Reviewers are talking about some ones favorite game, The majority of people that will read it for sure are the fan's of that game.

 

It stands to reason if a fan is going to be the most likely to read your little post about and up coming, or just released game, then you better not bash it to harsly.

 

One should always read reviews with a large grain of salt.

 

This is a very good game, there are things that were done differently than in past game's.

 

Many feel that the controls were very slighted towards the Console, and the nice, mostly intuitive control's  for PC from previous DA titles were slashed. I guess there is some truth to that.

 

Many have other differences about the game, these people in the thread are mostly here because they truly enjoy the DA series, and were expecting much more of the same, and in some cases they feel jilted.

 

  I like the game, I do miss some things that were in the other game, mainly the Control's, and extra spots at the bottom of my screen for my skill's the Tactics seem very dumbed down. I also miss being able to click on something from clear across a field, and My character would run over there, and pick it up.

   I hate that they know we want to be able to adjust our characters appearance as we play, yet they only give us that ability once.

 

But all these do not make me hate the game, and I don't think for the most part people that post here do either. Its a good game!  We just want them to know what we want or miss, so maybe next time they will keep that in mind.

 

   And this forum is one of the few places we can do that.

[RINNZ]

Reviewers are talking about some ones favorite game, The majority of people that will read it for sure are the fan's of that game.

It stands to reason if a fan is going to be the most likely to read your little post about and up coming, or just released game, then you better not bash it to harsly.

One should always read reviews with a large grain of salt.

This is a very good game, there are things that were done differently than in past game's.

Many feel that the controls were very slighted towards the Console, and the nice, mostly intuitive control's for PC from previous DA titles were slashed. I guess there is some truth to that.

Many have other differences about the game, these people in the thread are mostly here because they truly enjoy the DA series, and were expecting much more of the same, and in some cases that feel jilted.

I like the game, I do miss some things that were in the other game, mainly the Control's, and extra spots at the bottom of my screen for my skill's the Tactics seem very dumbed down. I also miss being able to click on something from clear across a field, and My charater would run over there, and pick it up.

I hate that they know we want to be able to adjust our characters appearance as we play, yet they only give us that ability once.

But all these do not make me hate the game, and I don't think for the most part people that post here do either. Its a good game! We just want them to know what we want or miss, so maybe next time they will keep that in mind.

And this forum is one of the few places we can do that.

*Cough* Not for us last gen players* cough*

[Paul E Dangerously]

You think ORIGINS has better combat and less simplistic character development??

Oh wait you're serious.  Let me laugh even harder! XD XD

 

You can choose your own attribute gains, use whatever weapons and armor you want in any variety, set tactics for your characters to use and have more than eight active slots for abilities to use.

 

By that alone, I'd say yes, it does have less simplistic character development.

[BeyondTheStars]

It's not just all black or white, there are some parts that are better and others not at all. It's fine if one doesn't like something, that's normal.

 

I like the grass, some landscapes, the "Once we were" tavern song, most of the writing. These are almost masterpiece level.

 

Not so much the very poor character creation part (and thus my character), the terrible click to get to the next submenu and next submenu and so on UI, not being to remap keys that bothers me, the delayed start to move or stop, the "cat walk" animation on females speed up and used as running animation (!), the look of most armor and weapons (since I'm locked into using either ugly or low DPS variants), the useless "minimap" (radar maybe), same with the map mostly (no way to figure out which way to go, no terrain relief details), the endless grinding (since it's not sure which are needed and affect the final ending), being on the top of loot and the character still don't want to loot (have to reposition again, right click on the item directly, then...), the cursor won't interact with the game, the ... what's the point in listing all these. I must forget these and finish the main quest somehow.

 

The story is great. But I feel pain, literally, if I think about playing it again... I don't have to play it again ever, it's just one time. This is the thought that gives me peace. The good part is that this makes it ultra realistic - I can feel it. So much immersion.

[northsidelunatic]

It has plenty of redeeming qualities but if you want them to improve you have to speak up about what you don't like. That is why there are some things that are vastly improved from previous games. Sit and nod like a good little sheep and you get nothing improved because they don't know what needs improvement.

 

It's not being an angry video game nerd which is quite frankly rather a rude way to put it. It's being a consumer who speaks up about aspects of a product that you do not like so they will improve on it. Fact is, if they are a half way on the ball company, they WILL pay attention to that and even want that as without it the other option is losing those customers entirely. Now, if you understand a single think about how most businesses function (which evidently yon don't) then you should understand that improving toward what customers want is always a priority as it bolsters sales. I guess you're to busy disparaging those who speak up to realize you don't get the point of this forum. You don't understand that the reason it exists is for us to come and point out all the things we don't like and want to see changed so they can improve on that. And if you notice one thing about this game, assuming you played the previous ones, you would notice that they went far and wide out of their way to make up for some of what people disliked about the last one. Mainly the maps. That was the biggest gripe. Other big gripes were too much mage/templar - fixed by essentially wrapping it up right away as best as they could and making it more of background issue. Also combat - some wanted more action oriented IIRC and look! We have a whole new mapping system for action oriented gamers. Companion interactions was another one for many. Now we have many companions and a variety of opportunities to interact with them. Playing something other than a human or even people wanted to play a qunari and guess what? You can.
 

tl:dr - what you consider a bunch of angry gamer nerds are actually consumers telling BW in a feedback and suggestion forum things that they did not like so these things can be changed in the next game as even in this game there are many changes from the last.

 oh boy the next game who knows if  any of us will be alive to see it, ,  anyhow  ,   Im not one asking for orgin's  2 ,     but origins  was like chess  and a story book,   but dai so far    lets see, theres a big  hole in the sky  with demons coming out of it and a civil war but its not like you can tell ,  most the npc act like statues  on valium, no doomsayers I can put out of their misery ,  I did   run across some guy in a house though screaming it was the end of the world among other things  but the game wont let me kick the door down to put him out his misery, you already know the ai  is pathetic, dragon age should play best on pc with  a non cumbersome ui,   I could careless about the sex scene  thing although I suppose that's the only  reason this game has a M rating,   hell in watch dogs   I could be at a protest  of the  ctos shoot a gun in the air   and watch the crowds run a away in swarms , in skyrim I could steal off somebody or kill somebody and the guards would chase me down  and call me orc filth ,    this game  lack  any involvement  with t he world it seems , 

[Tsunami Chef]

Because the BSN has had horrible opinions on every game that bioware has ever released. DA:O and Mass effect were both trashed when they first came out, as well as ME2 being considered a casual piece of **** on release by a huge portion of Mass Effect fans. The devs on BSN leave the forum during every release because they know what's going to happen...people are going to rage like no tomorrow.

 

http://www.reddit.co...ware_forums_is/

 

If you want evidence that not everywhere is like BSN, look at that. Most people outside of here realize how ridiculous the hatred is.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Because the BSN has had horrible opinions on every game that bioware has ever released. DA:O and Mass effect were both trashed when they first came out, as well as ME2 being considered a casual piece of **** on release by a huge portion of Mass Effect fans. The devs on BSN leave the forum during every release because they know what's going to happen...people are going to rage like no tomorrow.

 

http://www.reddit.co...ware_forums_is/

 

If you want evidence that not everywhere is like BSN, look at that. Most people outside of here realize how ridiculous the hatred is.

 

I can see barely any hatred in this thread or in the forum. People are upset and disappointed, sometimes even sad. But the majority is not raging. Almost no one is trashing DA:I, so far most arguments were either very subjective or about elements of the game.

 

DA:I is not a bad game, trashing it would only distract from identifying and correcting the flaws it has. People have legitimate problems with the game (bugs, CTD, stuttering etc) which need to be addressed by the developers. It isn't unreasonable to post about this here where they can read it.

 

If you think the expressions of disappointment and frustration here on BSN are hatred and rage, then you have lived a happy, sheltered life.

[miscmarilyn]

I'm sure someone has said this already, but I only give feedback because I love the game and Bioware listens to its fans. If I didn't care, I wouldn't provide any feedback. But they call this forum "feedback & suggestions" so that's what they get!

[Blue_Shayde]

The game itself is enjoyable.....until I step away from it and take a moment to actually think. The classes have been butchered (specially mages) more then ever, crap character customization, terrible party behavior management (Dorian still tries to play tank), the side-quests are empty and lacking the story/character that the past games have had, and there are a ton of bugs and glitches abound. Plus no mod support. The main story line is enjoyable and so are the characters, but it all feels very stripped down. And many things that were promised did not end up in the game.

 

In the end, I enjoy playing DAI. But in my eyes, it is no where close to DAO or even DA2. Which is shocking for me to think so considering how much DA2 was hated by many.

 

And at the end of the day, I don't really feel like I'd want to do a second playthrough of the game. Instead, I'm itching to re-install DAO and DA2 and play them again. Which is...bad for DAI.

 

Its a nice game...and probably deserves best rpg compared to other triple A titles this year. But...its forgettable in my book.

[Rekkampum]

You can choose your own attribute gains, use whatever weapons and armor you want in any variety, set tactics for your characters to use and have more than eight active slots for abilities to use.

 

By that alone, I'd say yes, it does have less simplistic character development.

I think in terms of relationship development, Inquisition is superior, since you could practically give any person a bunch of items to make them like you more in Origins. But on the other hand, I definitely miss the other stuff; even DA 2 let you control attribute gains, and that was practically an arcade hack-and-slash passing to be an RPG.

[RShara]

You know, I read all 8 pages of this thread, and the only bashing I saw was from people complaining about the complainers.  In other words, people bashing people who don't like, or are disappointed with this game.

Everyone who has been disappointed with this game has been very reasonable, and has listed specific issues that caused them to be disappointed.  This IS a feedback forum, and in general, if something works right, then you don't need to give feedback on it.

The other posts are basically, "Because complainers complain."  Not very helpful.

 

Personally, I didn't expect a fantastic game, so I wasn't vastly disappointed.  I stopped investing in Bioware games after the ME3 debacle.

I did pre-order DAI, but I expected it to be just something to kill time with, not really anything that I would fall in love with.

 

Because of that, I've enjoyed my 150+ hours exploring the (not)open world, and trying to finish every quest.  Never did get all the bottles or mosaics.

I have gotten interested in some of the characters--I really need to know what

Spoiler

Solas

is up to.  I like shard hunting and dragon hunting and getting all of the perks that I can.  I absolutely love Cassandra, and I think she's one of the best female characters I've come across.

 

However.

The game crashes to desktop regularly for me.  When it crashes, it takes Firefox with it.  During combat, the animations randomly slow down to molasses speed (yes I have clean installed my drivers).

MANY people I know who bought this game have not been able to play it due to technical problems--constant crashes, DX errors, etc. 

There are a huge number of game breaking bugs, including companion quests being bugged out, saves getting wiped out, and so forth.

The camera getting stuck on rocks, trees, walls, gives me constant motion sickness, so that I can only play an hour or two at a time.

Having to spam the search button is just the most ridiculous idea ever.  I hate it so much.  It's slightly better now that there are some visual indicators on the minimap, but it's still the stupidest mechanic I have ever seen.  Bring back a hold-down-to-search button, PLEASE.  I can't always have my sound up, so having only the audible indicator basically made the search useless, unless I spun in place every few steps to see if anything highlighted.

The minimap is all but useless.  All it shows are locations of known things.  It doesn't show terrain, FoW, or pathing.

Only 8 abilities?

No healing out of combat/limited healing potions/no healing spells.

 

The list continues.  These are the specific things that make me dislike the game, balancing out the things that make me like the game.

 

Overall, I would give this game a B, or a 3.5/5, certainly not the 5/5 A+++ scores that most reviewers give it.

[Ankarah]

Satisfied players are happily playing the game right now,

 

It's the unhappy ones that are coming to the forums to express their said feelings.

[King Dragonlord]

Satisfied players are happily playing the game right now,

 

It's the unhappy ones that are coming to the forums to express their said feelings.

 

Right especially right now when its still new. Why would you be wasting your time here if the game works for you?

 

Also, its hard to get a good read on this game. Its open world elements have become good enough to completely clash with their traditional storytelling approach. They both have their good points but frankly they're getting in each other's way and its creating a weird uneven experience. 

 

Plus, game reviewers play lots of games. They're used to constantly switching control schemes and learning new gameplay. Here? A good portion of us are used to specific kinds of control schemes and gameplay based around the games we like, and Bioware changed quite a bit from the controls to the gameplay to removing the blood mage to changing sensibilities in the writing staff. We don't like change (and change is not automatically a good thing, a flash flood is change). 

 

Then there are the glitches. Its not as bad as, say Thief 2014 or Assassins Creed Unity but the game crashes a lot and that can be annoying (in fact in my case, it started out not so bad but got downright annoying after patch 2). 

[pixlweaver]

The answer is obvious: Because they can sell games on promises alone. So many of us put up money for the idea of the game based on the things we read--either from official or unofficial sources. Being honest about what might or might not make it into the game would impact sales, and because they're aware of this, it seems there should be a legal concern involved here. They're being willfully ignorant.

 

Buying tickets to see a movie is no different. If you don't like the movie, or something wasn't there that you expected, do you sue the movie industry? Is it expected for movie producers to be completely transparent and list everything that's in their movie so that consumers can decide whether or not they want to see it?

[keyip]

You know, I read all 8 pages of this thread, and the only bashing I saw was from people complaining about the complainers.  In other words, people bashing people who don't like, or are disappointed with this game.

Everyone who has been disappointed with this game has been very reasonable, and has listed specific issues that caused them to be disappointed.  This IS a feedback forum, and in general, if something works right, then you don't need to give feedback on it.

The other posts are basically, "Because complainers complain."  Not very helpful.

 

 

You've misunderstood a) the purpose of this thread and b ) what people are talking about.

 

The thread isn't talking about JUST the complaining in the Feedback forum, it's talking about complaining across ALL the DragonAge forums. And if you've spent any length of time in the discussion forums you'll know there's a bunch of people running around the boards revelling in the false doom and gloom pictures they paint. A lot of the feedback in this thread is directed at them.

 

Regarding the rest of your complaints, the game is pretty buggy on PC atm. This probably has to do with Bioware not used to creating open-world games. Most of the bugs can and probably will be ironed out in time, it's the way game development is heading. 

 

I should also point out that most users (on sites that AREN'T troll infested and named 'Metacritic') are scoring this game 8-8.5, EVEN on the PC. This matches the score most professional reviews are giving it. So if you're implying reviewers are scoring this game well unjustly, then...

[rak72]

I enjoyed the game, it is WAAAAAAAY better than DA2, but it still doesn't hold a candle to DAO.  At least they gave me Cullen though.

[Dherelv]

The reviews kind of lied about the game, not mentioning some major issues that would make some fans of the series disapointed, to say the least.

Ign especially said how they cant distinguish between side quests and main quests and how all quest are superbly done while in reality most are generic mmo fetch quests.
in adition they praised the combat and strong rpg element which is also a big fat lie.


The forum is full of discussions of what went wrong and how to fix it if you feel like learning more.

 

Say that reviewers lie is a mistake imo.

 

In one side you have a professional reviewer, that's trained to respond to a game based only in itself and not it's prequels, trained to be fair since they wield responsibilities over what they write and trained to rate the game based on what the industry is creating out there. He reviews games for the general audience of their website, meaning people of all kinds that will prefer every different kind of games out there, and not your regular Bioware fan.

 

In the other side you have a long waiting consumer that's a hard fan of the previous installments of the game. This is not your usual video gamer, since he is a BioWare consumer, and the games this studio creates are way more complex, deep and intellectually challenging than your usual video game. People that get just ONE game like this every 5 years or so, will they be demanding? We are talking about people who buys games that bring deep political discussions to the gameplay arena with their "decisions that matter" stuff.  To put it shortly, people that complain about things, because they feel they are capable of being the one who do those things.

 

Well their views will differ 9 times out of 10. 

[b10d1v]

The answer is about as complex as the people that play Bioware Games.

 

Expectations:

1. Game technology improved and the game has demonstrated this really in only one way - Visually.
2. EA/Bioware has been pretty good at telling a story, but this one gets fuzzy as to how it fits together.
3. Changing the rules of the game -that never goes over well!
4. The controls don't work right -largely unexpected and a TBD
5. There are rats in the basement - communications between models lag issues

[RShara]

You've misunderstood a) the purpose of this thread and b ) what people are talking about.

 

The thread isn't talking about JUST the complaining in the Feedback forum, it's talking about complaining across ALL the DragonAge forums. And if you've spent any length of time in the discussion forums you'll know there's a bunch of people running around the boards revelling in the false doom and gloom pictures they paint. A lot of the feedback in this thread is directed at them.

 

Regarding the rest of your complaints, the game is pretty buggy on PC atm. This probably has to do with Bioware not used to creating open-world games. Most of the bugs can and probably will be ironed out in time, it's the way game development is heading. 

 

I should also point out that most users (on sites that AREN'T troll infested and named 'Metacritic') are scoring this game 8-8.5, EVEN on the PC. This matches the score most professional reviews are giving it. So if you're implying reviewers are scoring this game well unjustly, then...

 

 

The topic clearly states "on this forum" so that is what I responded to.  I would give this game between a 7.5 and an 8 myself, and I am on a PC.

[Blue_Shayde]

The topic clearly states "on this forum" so that is what I responded to.  I would give this game between a 7.5 and an 8 myself, and I am on a PC.

I'd have to say a 7 myself. Its a fun game, but has its issues. However, I feel with a few good patches to fix things up, it'll probably bump up to the 8 in my book.