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[Enesia]

The more I realize it and the more I look at it.

 

The reason they made Hawke was because they wanted Dragon Age to have their next Shepard. Thing is this if you read some comments from time to time from other people when it comes to Dragon Age, they talk about one person in general, their Warden. 

 

They had a Shepard like figure, someone they could have had three consecutive stories of, the Grey Warden. I mean, how hard is it to see that?

 

Very few people will mirror my thoughts because Hawke talked and the Warden was silent. Unlike Hawke though, who they forced a connection on you, and trust me I didn't feel a darn thing for Hawke because my connection was so forced over my Warden. Where my connection with my Warden was more natural, I was able to experience my Warden's Origin story and watch them become something. 

 

 

[FrontlinerDelta]

Idk, I don't really care for Hawke OR the Warden. Well I do care about them I guess but I am not attached to either of them. Hawke felt too pre-defined (more so than Shepard) and the Warden was too blank.

 

My Inquisitor is my favorite, British female actress did an excellent job so that it feels like the Inquisitor is MY character but is well developed and interesting. 

 

I'm replaying Origins right now (like I did with ME, I am going to play through the whole trilogy from start to end) and the Origin stories are interesting but at the same time, they feel like busy work. If your Origin could end in vastly different ways but as far as I know, that won't happen. You can make some basic choices sure, but they don't really affect anything. 

[ORTesc]

I think because the Warden was silent, they chose to go with Hawke as their new "sheperd". And since sales weren't that great for DA2, they kinda scrapped Hawke. So instead of having a trilogy like Mass Effect with our Warden, we have 3 different characters. Amazing how much a series can be changed by something as small as voice recording.

[Enesia]

Idk, I don't really care for Hawke OR the Warden. Well I do care about them I guess but I am not attached to either of them. Hawke felt too pre-defined (more so than Shepard) and the W

I'm replaying Origins right now (like I did with ME, I am going to play through the whole trilogy from start to end) and the Origin stories are interesting but at the same time, they feel like busy work. If your Origin could end in vastly different ways but as far as I know, that won't happen. You can make some basic choices sure, but they don't really affect anything. 

 

Which was an area they could have put the time and effort to fix. I like the Origin stories. Because right now with DAI, all my characters have the same backstory. And it gets boring.

 

I have said it before I'm one of those rare players who doesn't need a backstory to be filled in for me. I build my own. The origin stories gave me a base and I wrote out my characters. I imagine the way they sounded in my mind, etc. 

 

So, having Origins was really neat and allowed me to build multiple different characters.  

[Unlucky 13]

I'm always suprised by HOW much people love Origins and are connected to their Warden.  I liked the game.  Played it through twice and about halfway a third.  But there were a lot of things that I wasn't fond of, my silent, hollow Warden among them.  Also, the maddening difficult battles and leveling limits.  

 

Of course, I also liked DA2, and felt that it was a step in the right direction.  The amount of abuse that the game gets just confuses me to no end.  It certainly had its flaws, but I enjoyed it more than DAO.

 

I feel that DAI is another good step in the right direction and love it.  Not perfect, but great none the less.

[Teddie Sage]

So what? This doesn't stop me from appreciating Hawke and the Inquisitor because they are voiced. Besides, Shepard belongs to the Mass Effect franchise, don't compare tomatoes to oranges.

[Enesia]

So what? This doesn't stop me from appreciating Hawke and the Inquisitor because they are voiced. Besides, Shepard belongs to the Mass Effect franchise, don't compare tomatoes to oranges.

 

Yes, but Hawke was created because they wanted a Shepard. DAI was suppose to make Hawke the MC again. 

 

The problem is they introduced a game that gave you choices of race, backstories, with a complex system. Then DA2 came out and they stripped all that depth and complexity away and forced a backstory unto you, forced a voiced character on you, forced you to care about a story happening to said character forced on you.

 

The character was no  longer your own character. 

 

The Warden was something I connected to, because in many ways I could make the Warden mine. I could fill in the blanks of what they didn't give me. I could make multiple different wardens with different origins and backstories. Thoughts and ideas.

 

Hawke is just Hawke. And everything has already been established for him as a character. There was nothing to fill in.

[AresKeith]

Yes, but Hawke was created because they wanted a Shepard. DAI was suppose to make Hawke the MC again. 

 

No it wasn't

[Teddie Sage]

 

The character was no  longer your own character. 

Sorry but I disagree with you there. I'm done with this thread.

[Enesia]

No it wasn't

 

Actually it was. Bioware had said that they wanted to carry the story about Hawke. Also DAI was suppose to be a human only game, again. 

[Lebanese Dude]

 

Hawke is just Hawke. And everything has already been established for him as a character. There was nothing to fill in.

 

Nah.

 

The Warden had the same "diplomatic/friendly", "cynical/charming", "direct/aggressive" approach to the dialogue.

 

It's glaringly obvious. Just talk to Alistair and you have:

 

"That's not what you told me earlier"

"That explains the smell"

"I'm about to hit you, really soon"

 

You had the "investigate" and flirt options mixed in there too.

 

All that's different is that one talked and the other didn't. 

 

Personally, I prefer an animated character over a perpetually blank one.

[daveliam]

They were clear from the beginning that the DA series was about Thedas and the ME series was about Shepard.  I doubt that they ever intended Hawke to be the Shepard of DA. 

[AresKeith]

Actually it was. Bioware had said that they wanted to carry the story about Hawke. Also DAI was suppose to be a human only game, again. 

 

Which is what the DA2 expansion was gonna do, not DAI

 

Bioware even said during DA2 that each game was gonna have a new protagonist 

[Alejandrawrr]

I think because the Warden was silent, they chose to go with Hawke as their new "sheperd". And since sales weren't that great for DA2, they kinda scrapped Hawke. So instead of having a trilogy like Mass Effect with our Warden, we have 3 different characters. Amazing how much a series can be changed by something as small as voice recording.

This is my impression too, + they didn't know if DAO would be successful enough for a sequel, so they left TOO many options for origins, personality, choices, fate, etc. I'm sure if you told them what we know now, they would have scaled back on some of that, such that it wouldn't be virtually impossible to write him/her into a sequel without trampling on like, 50% of the players' canons. The voice thing isn't even that much of an issue, it's more the personality - I don't think people would mind it that much if the Warden's voice or accent choices are a bit different than they envisioned, but they would certainly mind a HELL of a lot if the Warden was written as wildly different than they played him, which would be highly likely if the Warden was brought back.

But I'm in general agreement, mixed in with a bit of wishful thinking that it means that since Inquisition seems to be much better received than DA2 (outside of the bugs and various technical issues), that they'll let Inqy be our "Shep" this time around. The story just feels unfinished, especially with the stuff in the epilogue being very pertinent to him. And I have a hard time getting attached to characters with DA's approach, with the mandatory "1 game per character, except one or two lucky companions" thing. For writers, having characters get attached to your characters is kinda one of the things you're aiming for, I'd say.

[Ascendra]

You have one huge difference between Hawke and Warden. Warden is on borrowed time, they are dying, or at lest they were after events of DAO. Hawke is not saddled with any life-deteriorating affliction, so I believe out of the two Hawke was a better candidate (if that was ever the intention on the writer's part), besides Hawke had a voice actor as well as personality. I loved my Warden, but the only reason why I was attached to her more was because I could play someone other than human.

[DeathByIcecream]

BioWare has repeatedly stated that Dragon Age is about Thedas, not one single person or group thereof. Having one protagonist throughout any number of iterations of the series was never their intention.

 

This. I always like to think the series is called Dragon Age because it centers around the many different events/heroes that popped up during, you guessed it, the Dragon Age. You can imagine the whole series is like a big history book about special things that happened during this specific century. That analogy always makes me happy for some reason, no idea why .

[Natureguy85]

I am fine with having new protagonists and exploring different areas of Thedas, but I do want to learn more about things that were left open after Dragon Age Origins such as the fate of the Warden, Morrigan and Flemeth, the history of the Darkspawn, and the nature of the Fade. DA2 Legacy opened questions about the first Magisters and the Black City.

[AlanC9]

The Warden had the same "diplomatic/friendly", "cynical/charming", "direct/aggressive" approach to the dialogue.
 
It's glaringly obvious. Just talk to Alistair and you have:
 
"That's not what you told me earlier"
"That explains the smell"
"I'm about to hit you, really soon"
 
You had the "investigate" and flirt options mixed in there too.
 
All that's different is that one talked and the other didn't.

Right. Somewhere there's a Gaider post where he points out that all the dialogue wheel does is formalize what the writers were already doing -- I believe it's where he talks about the DA2 tone system.

As for the thread topic, looks to me like the whole thing is based on a false premise.

[Ferocious7]

Hawke is no Shepard.   Let's stop you right there in your madness.

 

I could see the Inquisitor or Hero of Ferelden being, Shepard-Like  (more so the Inquisitor), however ... Hawke? No.   Hawke is a good character sure, but does not have the type of luck & skill to take on Reapers that Shepard has.  The only other character in gaming history with such a luck/skill/clutch-master combo is the Master Chief from the Halo games.  XD

[rda]

Meh, if they want to do a new Shepard, I hope they do it with the inquisitor.

My warden was kind of a douche, and my Hawke a sarcastic jerk. The story, voice acting and choices you can make in this game make me feel a closer bond with this inquisitor than I did with the other heroes.

[Spankatola]

Yes, but Hawke was created because they wanted a Shepard. DAI was suppose to make Hawke the MC again. 

 

Where are you getting this from? My impression is that they've been pretty steadfast calling the world itself the overarching protagonist, rather than any one character.

 

edit - sorry, didn't see Lathrim's post above. But yeah. No Shepards here.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Hawke is the scrappy of the DA verse. Always will be.

[Lintton]

My Warden was a city elf of questionable decisions that liked mages

My Hawke was a longsword wielding jokester slightly burned by tragedy. Supported templars, but saved sister.

My herald...? A dalish waif of a mage with not the slightest clue on politics, but screw politics! There's a hole in the sky that needs fixing!