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[ioannisdenton]

The following are true:

Mass effect 1 comes out:

 oh no!! too little story!!! empty panets!! copy pasted interiors! can beat the game in less than 12 hours!! most game is filler!

mako sux!!! combat is clunky"

 

Mass effect 2 comes out:

"Oh no! there goes the exploration of me1! story is little! me1 had more story! why no mako bioware? too much scanning omg! combat is streamlined! this game has no real desisions!"

 

Mass effect 3 comes out:

" story is terrible! i miss me2 days were there were lots of focus on companions! scanning in me2 was good, in me3 it is terrible! combat is CoD ! combat roll sux! too much story in a linear way! desicions do not matter! me2 had many desisions!"

 

Dragon age origins comes out:
" story is lord of the rings rip off! story is generic! combat is slow! mages are OP! The major villain has not enough screentime! why again with a univese centric story? can we get something less epic? game feels clunky! not enough main story! next time voiced protagonist please like Me1 very easy game"

 

Dragon age 2 comes out:
" sell of to Ea!! combat is too fast! what happened to they story? bioware! too many skills! streamlined combat! game has difficulty spikes! wave mechanic sux! where is the EPIC story bioware? story is a mess! small enviroments! repeated enviroments! next time slower combat! No exploration at all! what about returning characters? no tactical camera??"

Dragon age inquisition comes out and all the things the naysayers were shouting all these years while most of the time contradicting themselves are actually once again (as in every bioware game) taken into account. Yet people still have a problem.

 

Critisicm is totally fine, i also have some critisism but all these complaints man are rediculous. Seriously?
Endless fetch quests? (not true) Do not do them! main story requires FEW power points actually. nobody forces you to do fetch quests, i Do not do them.

Too much exproration? ( you asked for this since Da2)
Not enough  story? (da2 was mostly story but you did not appreciated this)

Shallow easy combat? as if origins combat was better. actually it was pretty boring. Plus put it on noght mare and ENABLE friendly fire: game plays  so much better.
Tactical camera: while flawed noone mentions the utility of it, noone mentoons the fact that they added it and that the "press r2 to advance time" mechanic really hits the spot unlike all previous bioware games.

 

Am i the only one who thinks that people here contradict themselves from all previous bioware titles?
Play the game for what it is please. game is not terrble at all. in fact it is a great game with TONS of value.
Finally thank the Devs for their hard work this time.

[keyip]

Am i the only one who thinks that people here contradict themselves from all previous bioware titles?

 

 

Different people complaining. It's why Bioware should just make the game they want to make, people will complain regardless.

[StrangeStrategy]

Different people complaining. It's why Bioware should just make the game they want to make, people will complain regardless.

 

I'm sure by now they're learned how to sort out the people who offer real constructive criticism who complain because they care, and the people who just (as Gaspard would say) "pisss my wine?"

[Brishon]

Unless you can point out individual commenters who actually posted one thing and are now posting another, then no, they are no contradicting themselves. You are throwing dozens of complaints together and acting like everybody is saying the same thing. This is not the case.

 

Who is saying there is too much exploration? There is too much useless exploration. Exploration with no point. Large swathes of land that play no part in the overall story.

The story IS short. Just because DA2 had a long and terrible story doesn't mean DAI should have an OK short story.

Telling people to enable FF and put it on the hardest difficulty is just stupid.

Praising the tactical camera...I just don't understand you

[Lebanese Dude]

 

There is too much useless exploration. Exploration with no point. Large swathes of land that play no part in the overall story.

 

 

I just want to point out that exploration requires spreading out the story and the sights. Otherwise you have concentrated content which counter-acts the intended affect of making the world bigger.

 

Games that have more features per virtual square kilometer tend to focus mostly on exploration (like Fallout).

 

DAI uses it as a complement to its actual focus: the companions and the story. 

[ioannisdenton]

Unless you can point out individual commenters who actually posted one thing and are now posting another, then no, they are no contradicting themselves. You are throwing dozens of complaints together and acting like everybody is saying the same thing. This is not the case.

 

Who is saying there is too much exploration? There is too much useless exploration. Exploration with no point. Large swaths of land that play no part in the overall story.

The story IS short. Just because DA2 had a long and terrible story doesn't mean DAI should have an OK short story.

Telling people to enable FF and put it on the hardest difficulty is just stupid.

Praising the tactical camera...I just don't understand you

From a dev's perspective one cannot just point out single complaints. The voice of complaints is lie a sea of compaints. they are mixed.

I do not praise the tactical camera i am just happy they actually put it ingame , unhappy cause it could be better.

FF adds a strategic depth to the game people complain there is not. Nightmare adds a challenge to the game people saying there is not )combat is button mashing complaint)

useless exproration: you do not have to do it you know. you can play the game without it. I too would like a main storyline cinematic quest in every area (like crestwood but with a cinematic feel to it). Since when explroration is useless? it isn;t that the maps are empty, there are tons of things to find-discover.
Actually the dragons emerge from exploration.

[ioannisdenton]

Compiling a pile of random complaints and dismissing them as contradictory does you a disservice. Please read. In particular the fifth and sixth paragraphs.

The way i wrote them is what exactly a bioware sees in these forums. Many complaints. I myself have the same perspective. Been in Me3 forum for a long timesince the game launched. i experienced theere the same thing (like da2 forums)
Also critisicm =/= complaints.
"game is mmoy" is a complaint
"bad questing " is a complaint
"game should have more cinematics" is critisicm

Also i do believe some people are living in the past and i happen to agree with you at that post you linked.

[hong]

It could be worse. You could be dealing with Blizzard fans....

[ioannisdenton]

I don't entirely disagree with you. People do complain in a manner that BioWare can't really use, far too often, and if you think of these forums as a unified entity, I would also very much agree with the idea that we're contradicting ourselves. However, that's not true. There's hundreds of relatively active profiles here, and even more were abandoned from the day ME1 launched to today. The problem is that you're generalising way too much.

 

Out of the complaints quoted in this particular post, the only one I have seen in such a simplified form is the idea that DA:I is an offline MMO. I have spotted the other two in various threads, but all were much more articulate than that. I do accept the idea that I missed the posts you saw, though.

It saddens me that while Da:I is arguably a  good game ( i love it so far) and while bioware actually listened to Da2 critisism while staying true to it's vision of how DaI should be (open world enviroment) a quick peek at the forum here reveals that many people dismiss this game.
I want to see some positive feedback too.

[Aurok]

How do so many people have so much trouble understanding that different people want different things? Baffling.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I think you're missing the key detail that it's not the same people. When people complain about one thing, and then a different group of people complain about an opposed thing, they're not being contradictory. They're disagreeing with each other. Contradiction would be if the same people were making both arguments, and I think there are probably only a small number of people doing that.

[Volcanthe]

I think the majority of the people complaining about the tactical camera are from the PC crowd. I agree with them in that it feels clunky, however, I'm not that bothered by it as I don't use it often. If I used it often, then yeah, I might have a stronger opinion about it.

 

If someone wants to play on the easiest difficulty setting, they should be able to have an enjoyable gameplay experience regardless. I'm not a fan of strategically planning each characters moves down to where they stand, so I play on normal and occasionally have to pause because Varric (he's chronic for this) is within melee distance of a heavy hitter... again. I felt the game had an overall enjoyable experience, so much so that I'm onto my second and third playthrough (alternating which character I play every couple of days).

 

Complaints are still feedback, and as such, deserve to be heard just as much as the praises. Whether or not those complaints are presented as constructive criticism on the other hand, is an entirely different story. I'll say that I have voiced complaints about this game, namely the multiplayer aspect, and hope that in time some of those are fixed. Doesn't stop me from playing it, but it does impact the gameplay experience.

 

I personally don't understand all the praise for DA:O. Nor all the negativity towards DA2. I enjoyed both games and each had their positives and negatives. On that same token, I enjoy DA:I and it also has positives and negatives. In saying that, the next person might have had a completely different experience of the game and therefore hold a different opinion. That doesn't make my opinion any more right, nor does it make theirs wrong.

 

In the end, people are people and they will have greatly varying opinions and experiences regarding this game.

[Veruin]

It saddens me that while Da:I is arguably a  good game ( i love it so far) and while bioware actually listened to Da2 critisism while staying true to it's vision of how DaI should be (open world enviroment) a quick peek at the forum here reveals that many people dismiss this game.
I want to see some positive feedback too.

It's almost as if all the people enjoying the game are too busy playing while the people who don't like it, aren't.

[ioannisdenton]

I think you're missing the key detail that it's not the same people. When people complain about one thing, and then a different group of people complain about an opposed thing, they're not being contradictory. They're disagreeing with each other. Contradiction would be if the same people were making both arguments, and I think there are probably only a small number of people doing that.

You are true but i am seeing this from a heightened perspective.

What would you take into account if you were a dev?

I mean it is clear they did listen to critisicm-complaints but all of a sudden new faults rise,
I do inderstand that it is impossible to please every customer but this situation is overdone in games ijn general.
We all love videogames but we do not seem to aprreciate them. I repeat that i too have critisicm for Da:I.

[Grieving Natashina]

It could be worse. You could be dealing with Blizzard fans....

Oh, if only some of the folks on the BSN knew how true that really was.

 

_{Out of likes, but you are spot on.}

[Roninbarista]

I guess this is part of the nature of waiting. Not call complain profusely. Most, I think, are typically excited about a release, and playing.

I think there is a part of consumerism that is never pleased.

[RavenousIron]

They did a fantastic job with Dragon Age: Inquisition! i have small gripes with the game, mainly the loot system and how all armor pretty much looks the same. But combat, story and character wise they did a very good job. They can easily take this route again and just improve on it further.

[Seishoujyo]

The best option is to not care about complainers because it's Bioware's fanbase and this fanbase has a lot of whiners, they will complain everytime even if the new game is great.

[ioannisdenton]

They did a fantastic job with Dragon Age: Inquisition! i have small gripes with the game, mainly the loot system and how all armor pretty much looks the same. But combat, story and character wise they did a very good job. They can easily take this route again and just improve on it further.

I also love the new " no healer" route. Game is way more strategaclly with barriers. guards and a dozen of shared healing potions. Battles are intense but with proper micromanagement and posititioning you can emerge victorius with little to no damage!
Having a healer prettymuch licks up a spot in youe party for a mage with the heaking healing sspec/spell.
Now i can party with 3 rogues and an warrior. or 4 warriors. or mages specced for dps.

[Seishoujyo]

I also love the new " no healer" route. Game is way more strategaclly with barriers. guards and a dozen of shared healing potions. Battles are intense but with proper micromanagement and posititioning you can emerge victorius with little to no damage!
Having a healer prettymuch licks up a spot in youe party for a mage with the heaking healing sspec/spell.
Now i can party with 3 rogues and an warrior. or 4 warriors. or mages specced for dps.

 

The no healer route I like it too, the castles and outpost are really important that way I think it's a good and fresh idea.

[dlux]

You so asked for this game all these years.

 

[Ruin1776]

Nope. If Bioware told me the new game would completely take out tactics,healing, a proper camera and told me that the plot would be 10 hours long with 120 hours of MMO tier fetch quests I would have told them to go jump in a lake and never would have bought this turd. Funny how none of thse things were mentioned pre release and promotional materials hyped the "Tactical combat" and "stunning narrative"

[snackrat]

Contrary to popular belief online, 'the rest of the forums' is not a hive mind. People complaining about not enough story, and then later too much story, are not necessarily the SAME PEOPLE.