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isn't that southern propganda to make tevinter worse then it is.
Pretty much. WoT says everything Tevinter gets inspected by the Giant Chantry Magnifying Glass they have posted on the Nevarran border. Can't risk the populace thinking that Tevinter is anything less than a country of boogeymen, you see.
Harrit spits and says "you Tevinters can't all be evil bastards I guess". Seems like we're making progress in DA:I.
isn't that southern propganda to make tevinter worse then it is.
Sure if you wanna turn a fantasy setting into something written by a guy who reads too much Russia Today. It's literally a nation of slaves, sacrifices, and blood magic. It's a brutal magocracy that's got Orlais' awful backstabbing turned up to 11. Dorian's dad tried to turn him un-gay through blood magic. It's a terrible evil empire. It's okay for those to exist.
If you pursue the Templars, Dorian confirms that those who chose not to serve the Venatori and did not successfully escape were killed.
Does he?
Well, there's that at least. Where/when was it, so that I can find it?
They were bound to Alexius by Tevinter law, and beyond that he was tasked to bring them in service to Corypheus. There's no reason to assume the rebel mages are free to leave Redcliffe.
'I can't rebel against the authority because I promised to sell myself into slavery' just doesn't sound credible from people whose primary political identity is as the rebellion against unjust legal authority.
It's not implied. There is a note in the Hissing Wastes while doing the tomb quest if you sided with the templars that says that since the templars weren't corrupted, Corypheus demanded that the Venatori brainwash the mages which they have finished doing. Otherwise, if you sided with the mages, the same note says that the Venatori have to be careful about losing people since their numbers are small due to losing the mages at Redcliffe while the red templars mock them. Also, Calpernia's nemesis quest reveals that Corypheus does brainwash people.
Is there? Sweet- this is what I was looking for. I was familiar with Calpernia's quest, but those instances were minimal and so highly selective that I couldn't really see them applied to the rebel mages at large.
I'm pretty sure you can hit the Hissing Wastes before Haven, so that helps with that. Thanks, thesuperdarkone2.
from a POV sounded logical to me why they allied with the vints
I wouldn't do it, but then, I wouldn't have pushed for a war you were doomed to lose from the start either.
Sure if you wanna turn a fantasy setting into something written by a guy who reads too much Russia Today. It's literally a nation of slaves, sacrifices, and blood magic. It's a brutal magocracy that's got Orlais' awful backstabbing turned up to 11. Dorian's dad tried to turn him un-gay through blood magic. It's a terrible evil empire. It's okay for those to exist.
but isn't it southern propaganda that blood magic and slavery is wrong 
I am slightly joking, I do hope that we see far more nuance with tevinter then what we have been shown so far. I like the empire but I do want to see it less steroytpical evil, just my opinion.
had to be done a few eggs get broken i get a omletteI wouldn't do it, but then, I wouldn't have pushed for a war you were doomed to lose from the start either.
had to be done a few eggs get broken i get a omlette
I prefer the eggs not to be mine 
They literally accomplished nothing.
Betraying the place that locked them into prisons, put them through a demon trial and hypocritically practices dodgy blood rituals to keep them locked up? What a shock.Especially since it kind of confirms that whole line where they say mages wish they could rule over us. Going to Tevinter kinda turned it into an us vs them thing. Which it sort of already was, but I was going to help them initially, and Fiona as well as Anders was dead set on making it about that anway. So, conscription, with a smile on my face.
Not even close. The Imperium is a stratified society and has its own problems, but it's accepting a lower social status in the place of being hunted down to the last of them.Not controversial, incredibly stupid. So stupid that people thought it HAD to be braincontrol. And I'm honestly not completely against that.
It's about the equivalent of American teens running off to ISIS. It's that stupid.
Betraying the place that locked them into prisons, put them through a demon trial and hypocritically practices dodgy blood rituals to keep them locked up? What a shock.
Not even close. The Imperium is a stratified society and has its own problems, but it's accepting a lower social status in exchange for being hunted down to the last of them.
The irony here is so rich. Mages wanting freedom= terrorists, but the people running swords through them with impunity have somehow earned their loyalty even unto death? Screw that.
No, blowing up chantries and starting wars makes them terrorists, hon. And anyway, I didn't say they were like ISIS. I was just making a comparison of stupid decisions. After all, look how it ended.
And whether they like it or not, they are dangerous to themselves, everyone they love, etc, just by being mages. Don't care what anyone says, the circle while flawed is necessary.
weening out is the undesirables is something and its a rebellionI prefer the eggs not to be mine
weening out is the undesirables is something and its a rebellion
Well, if that's how they want it, they're free to die.
Political not personal.
You mean, the kind where he gets to decide who will replace said Magisters, making his support coveted in the Imperium's upper echelons?
Does he?
Well, there's that at least. Where/when was it, so that I can find it?
< around 5 minutes.
'I can't rebel against the authority because I promised to sell myself into slavery' just doesn't sound credible from people whose primary political identity is as the rebellion against unjust legal authority.
It's less "I can't rebel against the authority because I promised to sell myself into slavery" and more "Fiona just sold me to a Tevinter host who threw the Arl out of his own fief... Dare I say 'no thanks'?"
Not even Vivienne blames Anders' actions on all mages, she just points out that the two will be associated because of the timing. But the mages were in danger of being extinguished one by one. I'm already familiar from the Dalish threads that people think that's something you should just swallow.No, blowing up chantries and starting wars makes them terrorists, hon. And anyway, I didn't say they were like ISIS. I was just making a comparison of stupid decisions. After all, look how it ended.
And whether they like it or not, they are dangerous to themselves, everyone they love, etc, just by being mages. Don't care what anyone says, the circle while flawed is necessary.
Honestly the sooner that sh*tHole sinks into the sea the better.
Ferelden's really the only place we've been that wouldn't improve the world by collapsing in its current form.
Tevinter isn't good or bad. It's a nation like any other with good and bad in it. Venatori give Tevinters a bad name. One automatically makes the assumption that Tevinter's lack of official intervention means they're complicit which isn't the case. There are a few Tevinter factions aiding the Inquisition on the War Map if you so choose and a Tevinter noble can become part of the Inquisitor's inner circle.
I think nations can be judged by the policies they have. Part of responsibility, as every government claims to be of the territory it claims, is not just what you do- but what you do not do, and what you simply allow to be done. I think Tevinter, as a whole, has enough policies (formal and informal) that it could be called 'bad' with some justification.
That said, I do agree with you that Tevinter as a nation isn't complicit with the Venatori. It might be utterly ambivalent, tinged with schaedenfreud even, but as you say there are minor actors on both sides of the fence, enough so that for every Venatori backer you can usually find some open to the Inquisition.
Tevinter's indifference to the suffering of the South, and the possible end of the world, may be aggravating and short-sighted, but it certainly doesn't make the nation responsible for what other people are doing independently.
The only ones that have a good view on the matter of magic are the Qunari
Not even Vivienne blames Anders' actions on all mages, she just points out that the two will be associated because of the timing. But the mages were in danger of being extinguished one by one. I'm already familiar from the Dalish threads that people think that's something you should just swallow.
I do agree that the Circle or something like it is necessary in societies shaped by the Chantry's bigotry. It would be nice for Viv and others to acknowledge that they created the conditions under which mages have to be locked up for their own protection. The ones who don't have powerful political patrons, that is.
I wouldn't either if Fiona didn't follow in his footsteps. And unfortunately she forced the war on the rest of them by ticking off the douchebag templars purposefully. It isn't fair, but Fiona made this war what it is. Do I expect them to accept death, no not anymore than I'd blame a bear for fighting back, but I'm still going to kill it if it becomes my enemy. Someone should have shoved a lightning bolt in her or something, lol. The majority of them weren't pushing for separation and war like she was. But that's the leader they got regardless.
And don't equate me to them, I don't expect the Dales to accept anything. I want them to rise to the occasion. No one wants to see a dog kicked around all day. It's just sad. However, I do see similarities with this issue and the one with the Dales not helping the Orlesians during the blight, I'll give you that much. But as much as people say Tevinter isn't this or that, I can't help but look at how things turned out. Tevinter may have disowned the Venatori... eventually... and they took their sweet sweet time doing it I might add, but Dorian pretty much says himself they simply disown or villainize whoever is convenient to them. So I have a hard time believing the guys who only pretend to dislike blood magic and demon rituals are no less trustworthy than anyone else. Not everything the chantry says is a lie, as we learned first hand from Dorian's father. So again, I can understand the decision, same as Anders who I can actually understand, but I still find it very stupid. The Dalish not helping the Orlesians was perfectly understandable, but very stupid as well.
As for the rest, nothing about the chantry made demons be attracted to mages. Granted, the harrowing is indeed retarded, and ideally, I'd only put troubled mages in circles, not every one. But even skilled mages have the chance of attracting and becoming demons as abominations. If it's either or, I choose the circles.
now we just need temps to OD and its balanced lolWell, if that's how they want it, they're free to die.
Pretty much. WoT says everything Tevinter gets inspected by the Giant Chantry Magnifying Glass they have posted on the Nevarran border. Can't risk the populace thinking that Tevinter is anything less than a country of boogeymen, you see.
Harrit spits and says "you Tevinters can't all be evil bastards I guess". Seems like we're making progress in DA:I.
After giving it some thought, I decided that if 'I' were to exist anywhere in Thedas, I would probably come from Tevinter.
Obviously a mundane, and possibly even a Templar of sorts. Probably an exile or immigrant, living abroad and not inclined to go back, but Tevinter none the less.
That's Dorian, one dude who's whole deal is that he's defensive of his homeland and wants it to change. "Dude from an evil place who wants it to change" has been around in fantasy forever.
It's OK for a fantasy nation to be evil. In fact, it's a Good Thing for the genre, as it moves away from allegorical thinking which stymies modern fantasy's growth and appeal.
Bioware doens't really do Manichaeism.
nope just black and white views while saying its grey lolBioware doens't really do Manichaeism.
nope just black and white views while saying its grey lol
There are definitely paths that it feels like you're being nudged toward as the "good" one through the rewards, but it rarely breaks down as black-and-white.
You mean, the kind where he gets to decide who will replace said Magisters
I mentioned that earlier.
This why you need to you know; read folks posts before just jumping in there ._.
Ferelden's really the only place we've been that wouldn't improve the world by collapsing in its current form.
*Snorts*
Right; And thats because its so pathetic it doesn't have anything going for it.
Orlais keeps the south stable, regulates economic stability and lets not leave out them having the best sense of fashion, the Chantry oh and my personal favorite?
Them being a military superpower that keeps in check the horrible northerners and nevarrans.
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