Tevinter politics is no worse than Orlais, except it's done by spells and blood magic.
Which means everything really. That makes it a lot more deadly and risky, when people can control your mind without you knowing. How do you trust a people like that who only pretend to dislike it by the very words of one of their own?
Which means everything really. That makes it a lot more deadly and risky, when people can control your mind without you knowing. How do you trust a people like that who only pretend to dislike it by the very words of one of their own?
Actually, it means nothing since mages can throw off blood magic.
Remember Hawke and the apostate prostitute.
Ditto the fact Dorian and the Blood magic Ritual didn't work.
It's POSSIBLE to control someone's mind with blood magic who has magic themselves, but very-very difficult.
In short, Blood Magic is only useful against mundanes.
Tevinter has slavery which is awful but if they ever go to war with Orlais, I hope they kill a LOT of the latter.
Actually, it means nothing since mages can throw off blood magic.
Remember Hawke and the prostitutes.In short, Blood Magic is only useful against mundanes.
Tevinter has slavery which is awful but if they ever go to war with Orlais, I hope they kill a LOT of the latter.
Fiona didn't 
Whether she was controlled in Redcliffe or not, we know she was if you go to the templars.
I wonder if Tevinter has magical prostitutes.
who said they had to be trusted lolEvil or not, which I say not, since they're pretty much as power hungry as anyone else, they're still not to be trusted.
Except for where if they actually hold power anyway.
How could they not? They are the strongest group of mages in Thedas, after all.
The political infighting determines that.
And who do you think is going to have the hardest mountain to climb when it comes to that? The family that is in the Archon's good graces, or the one that just had their seat in the Magisterium sold off to one he finds more agreeable?
That and there's the sacrifices of slaves and servants, which servants is what they'd be for ten years. Hope they don't get into the hands of someone that would use them for nefarious.... oh. Lol.
Fiona didn't
She was like an undead all shambling around and groaning.
By now, it should be pretty clear that BioWare is a little more sympathetic to the mages. And so am I.
In Dragon Age II most of the templars, except for Cullen, Thrask and Keran are all assholes, with Meredith being the queen of the assholes (even before going mad). Still, siding with the templars felt like something it could happen in a "canon story", since along with the poor oppressed mages we also got wicked evil blood mages that needed to be put down.
In Inquisition siding with the templars feels quite like a fan fiction.
It's also pretty obvious since the "sided with the mages" route is just so much more well written.
I still like the templars, but since BioWare made the mages and their route in DAII and Inquisition more likeable I still am more sympathetic to their cause.
who said they had to be trusted lol
Lol I wouldn't go running off to someone I didn't trust. That would be stupid, which people have been arguing against for a few pages now.
How could they not? They are the strongest group of mages in Thedas, after all.
Well; going to Kirkwall and getting offed by the Champion is likely a way if someone is going to stay in power or no.
But honestly this is getting tiresome and it ultimately detracts from the entire point of it already being covered by me.
And who do you think is going to have the hardest mountain to climb when it comes to that?
It's about like it would be in Orlais i'd presume; those that can tap into the most secrets, exploit the situation the best, etc, etc.
Crud at best that can make you the leader of White Thedas.
Fourth in line becomes Empress 
Also, I'm a little confused at the idea that "evil" requires people to have no point whatsoever.
I think Celene, Briala, and Gaspard are evil.
They have REASONS why they do stuff but that doesn't mean they're ambiguous.
Evil doesn't mean one-dimensional.
It means you're a bad person.
The Reapers having a motivation doesn't mean they're not RIDICULOUSLY evil.
The Reaper's motivation is good though (if that can even be asribed to AI); preventing the end of all life in the galaxy. Whether that assumption is correct or their actions the best course is another matter.
And since the only possibilities are that either Celene, Briala, or Gaspard runs Orlais, then if you deem them all to be evil, then there is still no black-and-white choice. They are equal morally. But the choice still has to be made. I suppose if this is your view, then you clearly do not allow Celene to be assassinated.
Well; going to Kirkwall and getting offed by the Champion is likely a way if someone is going to stay in power or no.
But honestly this is getting tiresome and it ultimately detracts from the entire point of it already being covered by me.
What a strange little non-sequitur.
It's about like it would be in Orlais i'd presume; those that can tap into the most secrets, exploit the situation the best, etc, etc.
Crud at best that can make you the leader of White Thedas.
Fourth in line becomes Empress
Exactly, and being considered unfashionable by the supreme ruler is a big disadvantage in this regard.
The Reaper's motivation is good though (if that can even be asribed to AI); preventing the end of all life in the galaxy. Whether that assumption is correct or their actions the best course is another matter.
And since the only possibilities are that either Celene, Briala, or Gaspard runs Orlais, then if you deem them all to be evil, then there is still no black-and-white choice. They are equal morally. But the choice still has to be made. I suppose if this is your view, then you clearly do not allow Celene to be assassinated.
I think if your definition of evil precludes, "has good intentions" then you have eliminated evil from your worldview.
Just saying.
It all boils down to this really. They went to Tevinter expecting greener pastures, assuming that the chantry was full of ****, and when they found them, saw what they were all about, they stayed. And those tevinter turned out to shocker, be dicks! Dicks that would end the world in service to their god.
Now, was that the mage's intent? No. But that's what happened, and I can't help but say "I told ya so." To them. And they have a habit of just accepting ****. I mean, yea you have to defend yourself after the templars declare war, but do you have to continue following that "Excellent" leadership that got you into that position in the first place? Hell ****** no. So while I throw a lot of blame Fiona's way, it's not really her fault that the dumb-asses followed her afterwards.
I think if your definition of evil precludes, "has good intentions" then you have eliminated evil from your worldview.
Just saying.
Why? Plenty of people have no good intentions whatsoever.
I'm probably just more economical in using it.
really i thought we were discussing who has the bigger stick up the arse lolLol I wouldn't go running off to someone I didn't trust. That would be stupid, which people have been arguing against for a few pages now.
really i thought we were discussing who has the bigger stick up the arse lol
Between the mages and templars, I'd say they're sharing the same stick on opposite ends.
I wonder if Tevinter has magical prostitutes.
Apostate Prostitutes? Apostitutes!
I was originally pro mage freedom but now I'm with Varric; I'm sick of mages and templars. I felt like I had to play a mage in DA2 and to a lesser extent DAI to feel like I was in the center of the story. I'm glad DAI somewhat resolves the conflict.
that image bro lolBetween the mages and templars, I'd say they're sharing the same stick on opposite ends.
I was originally pro mage freedom but now I'm with Varric; I'm sick of mages and templars. I felt like I had to play a mage in DA2 and to a lesser extent DAI to feel like I was in the center of the story. I'm glad DAI somewhat resolves the conflict.
I would have been rather depressed playing a mage this run. Again. Glad I switched. Had enough of that from DA 2.
The Circles function as demon beacons, occasionally as in Ferelden, demon banquets. And the templars are sending out the invitations. Literally.As for the rest, nothing about the chantry made demons be attracted to mages. Granted, the harrowing is indeed retarded, and ideally, I'd only put troubled mages in circles, not every one. But even skilled mages have the chance of attracting and becoming demons as abominations. If it's either or, I choose the circles.
chances are things will repeat and pro-temps will feel justifiedThe Circles function as demon beacons, occasionally as in Ferelden, demon banquets. And the templars are sending out the invitations. Literally.Fiona wasn't the only one pushing for a breakout, and for that matter, even Anders was pushed to his actions. A kicked dog can turn around and bite. Regardless, that's the past and if your back is against the wall, it's easy for others to second guess what is really your only out.
The Circles function as demon beacons, occasionally as in Ferelden, demon banquets. And the templars are sending out the invitations. Literally.
Fiona wasn't the only one pushing for a breakout, and for that matter, even Anders was pushed to his actions. A kicked dog can turn around and bite. Regardless, that's the past and if your back is against the wall, it's easy for others to second guess what is really your only out.
Better to have your eggs all in one basket, so when someone starts hatching, you can stop that ****.
Having mages in one space doesn't make them more likely to become abominations. A demon alone can bring more, then possess more people, mage or not. The circle didn't go to hell because there were lots of mages around. The only flaw here is the harrowing, and not really because it attracts demons, since they can kill said mage if possessed before he's a threat. It's stupid because it forces them to encounter them at all, when they might never have in the first place.
Fiona was at the head, and Anders wasn't really pushed at all. I mean, yea kirkwall was in a bad situation, but the dude flipped. It was not THAT bad, hence why before Inquisition you and I pretty much said the same thing about him. Nothing's changed, he was still an idiot, even though I get wanting to get it over with rather than dying slowly, which is how he saw it. That wasn't your only out, that was your death warrant. Nothing about that decision was necessary or smart of Fiona or anyone else that supported her, which wasn't many.
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