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[Master Warder Z_]

Not really; if anything.

This game has merely proven my belief and position right.

[Barquiel]

Not really. I always wanted to abolish the circles, and that's exactly what I did (well, Leliana did it).

[Congo Jack]

I'd say it's given me more doubt towards my fully pro-mage stance. I now think that they should keep the Circle to educate mages on the rights and wrongs of magic, essentially reform it from a prison to a school.

[Master Warder Z_]

It was never a prison.

It was a Quarantine.

[Addai]

I'm still pro-mage. The Circle created most of the problems it's now trying to fix. If it goes back to the way it was, the whole thing will begin over again.

[raging_monkey]

I dont know if i should be furious or grateful for bioware resolution on the MT issue i feel forced to be pro-templar/circle

[Notshauna]

Nope, still rigidly pro mage, I find it hard to justify the belief mages are any less than the evolutionary future of Humans, Elves and Qunari and likely to most fit of all people.

[iheartbob]

I have always been very pro-mage because I'm pretty sure I've run into the same amount of lunatics wielding swords and bows as I have blood mages.

 

How I view the circle has, admittedly, changed after this game.

 

I used to be all for abolishing the Circle, but now I can see the necessity of it. It just needs to be reformed with mages having more of an active role in governing themselves and more sanctions for Templars who abuse their power.

[InstantNoodlez]

I always thought both sides made sense. DAI simply made me realize the entire political landscape of Thedas is filled with more a-holes than even I expected.

 

Next game I hope they give you the option to not save the world. Screw all of them, Orlair, Wardens, Ferelden, Tevinter, the Qun, Chantry, mages, templars, Orzammar, the Dalish and all. Screw them for playing around for their own personal interests when there is a zombie army underground. They all deserve to be eaten. I am done playing world-saving Jesus.

[EmissaryofLies]

I always thought both sides made sense. DAI simply made me realize the entire political landscape of Thedas is filled with more a-holes than even I expected.

 

Next game I hope they give you the option to not save the world. Screw all of them, Orlair, Wardens, Ferelden, Tevinter, the Qun, Chantry, mages, templars, Orzammar, the Dalish and all. Screw them for playing around for their own personal interests when there is a zombie army underground. They all deserve to be eaten. I am done playing world-saving Jesus.

 

What an idea. Hope Bioware gives it some serious thought.

[raging_monkey]

What an idea. Hope Bioware gives it some serious thought.

lets hope so

[tobynator89]

Kirkwall was the only time I though that a pro-mage stance was warranted. In most other cases I would be firmly pro circle/templar.

 

I've often heard the gun rights metaphor being used and frankly thats always struck me as stupid as the gun argument in general. The issue is never about gun-rights but gun culture. And there is a LOT of straight up horrible mage-culture in thedas. Free mages often develop a horrible attitude towards their own power and fellow human beings and therefore must brought under firm controll using harsh means if neccesary (emphasis on if neccesary.) Best way to ensure this is to have a partially self enforced circle with a strong organization independent of the mages themselves watching over them. The number of abominations and failed harrowings clearly show why this is neccesary.

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

Templar's should be disbanded permanently Mages should be aleast have some freedom. 

[abearzi]

After DAI, picking Mages or Templars was like picking the best part of the toilet bowl to lick. There are only bad options. 

 

The Templars are abusive, paranoid, irresponsible jailers who clearly cannot be trusted with even a modicum of responsibility. Learning the history of the Seekers just makes this even more the case.

 

The Mages are also dangerously irresponsible lunatics, who turn to blood-magicing, time-bending, demon-summoning slavers for help. I would claim Fiona was the worst leader in the game, but the Orlesian nobility really makes her seem competent by comparison. 

 

If all the Templars were like Cullen or Cassandra, it would be reasonable to suggest the Circles be restored. Sadly most of them are more like Meredith or Ser Kerras.

 

If all Mages were like Morrigan (isolationists in control of their powers) it would be reasonable to allow mages to live freely as equals. Unfortunately most are like Jowan, idiots who can barely contain their powers and turn to Blood Magic when **** starts to go poorly.

[ThomasBlaine]

After DAI, picking Mages or Templars was like picking the best part of the toilet bowl to lick. There are only bad options. 

 

The Templars are abusive, paranoid, irresponsible jailers who clearly cannot be trusted with even a modicum of responsibility. Learning the history of the Seekers just makes this even more the case.

 

The Mages are also dangerously irresponsible lunatics, who turn to blood-magicing, time-bending, demon-summoning slavers for help. I would claim Fiona was the worst leader in the game, but the Orlesian nobility really makes her seem competent by comparison. 

 

If all the Templars were like Cullen or Cassandra, it would be reasonable to suggest the Circles be restored. Sadly most of them are more like Meredith or Ser Kerras.

 

If all Mages were like Morrigan (isolationists in control of their powers) it would be reasonable to allow mages to live freely as equals. Unfortunately most are like Jowan, idiots who can barely contain their powers and turn to Blood Magic when **** starts to go poorly.

 

I agree completely. Keeping that in mind, I sort of view it as the Inquisition's job to be the big guy forcing everyone to behave, at swordpoint if necessary, by being everywhere, having ultimate executive power and being led by somebody sane(me). It wasn't an option in the previous games because the unified Chantry could basically Exalted March anything that didn't fit their political agenda, but after they fracture and leave behind a huge power vacuum in the beginning of DA:I I feel like we can finally start over with a new dynamic.

 

I realize that this is the very height of optimism concerning what the Inquisition could potentially become, but I don't really see the point in founding something called "The Inquisition" of all things and then not take that route when clearly nobody else in Thedas can be trusted with independant power.

 

As for the actual topic, in DA:O I felt that optimizing the circles toward producing more stable, balanced mages would solve most of the problem, or at least forestall impending disaster, which would entail policing Templar behaviour much more closely. Most of my characters weren't personally involved in the conflict, though. In DAII I got the feeling that Kirkwall's particular rate of unstable mages and templars were local to Kirkwall and said nothing about how things were or should be elsewhere, aside from that maybe the strength of local veils should be tested and mage circles moved away from potential danger zones in general.

 

I'm still on my first playtrough of DA:I so I can't say much, things seem to have escalated to the point where both sides are a danger to everyone and need someone to beat them into submission, which the Inquisition is more or less in position to do. The templars certainly seem to be painted in a better light, and I agree with Cullen that their ability to dampen malevolent magic is very, very convenient and useful, and a lot safer than simply throwing offensive magic of our own at the problems.

[Barquiel]

I'd say it's given me more doubt towards my fully pro-mage stance. I now think that they should keep the Circle to educate mages on the rights and wrongs of magic, essentially reform it from a prison to a school.

 

I don't think Fiona and the rebel mages or divine Leliana are against some form of school that is mandatory for all young mages to attend. Abolishing the templars/circles don't preclude this.

[Goldarmy]

My view changed to be a little more sympathetic to Circles and Templars because what Fiona and the others did was appalling.

The only thing WORSE than being slaves of the Chantry is to become slavers themselves.

If the only choice the Mages have (or if they believe it is the only choice have and have no reason not to believe otherwise) are "Joining Tevinter for survival" and "Certain painful death at the hands of Templars" very few Mage will choose Templars. Why is this such complex idea to get?

 

As for OP, as the story expanded from DAO to DAI, our views have evolved with it. For me, at the DAO I was of the opinion that Circle was a necessary system that needed reform. At DA2 I was of the opinion that Circle (along with Templars) was a system that very desperately needed reform. With DAI I have come to the conclusion that Circle is a huge pile of failure that doesn't deserve saving.

[SgtSteel91]

I don't think Fiona and the rebel mages or divine Leliana are against some form of school that is mandatory for all young mages to attend. Abolishing the templars/circles don't preclude this.

 

The fact that the Fiona and the Rebel Mages set up a College of Enchanters, an independent Circle if you would, seems to confirm it.

[Dean_the_Young]

If the only choice the Mages have (or if they believe it is the only choice have and have no reason not to believe otherwise) are "Joining Tevinter for survival" and "Certain painful death at the hands of Templars" very few Mage will choose Templars. Why is this such complex idea to get?

 

It's not a complex idea as much as it is a stupid idea. Fiona was not facing certain painful death at the hands of the Templars at the time of her choice, and the reason why she was in the position she perceived herself as in was one easily predictable from her lackluster revolutionary strategy.

[Dean_the_Young]

As for myself on the topic...

 

My views did change, but not in favor of the magi. After seeing the competence of the Magi leadership, and the willingness of the magi themselves to go along with said horrible leadership's horrible policies and merely wait for someone else to fix it rather than address it amongst themselves, my faith in the Circle's ability to self-regulate without oversight is even lower. One could suggest that Fiona's non-presence at the Conclave was perhaps less than accidental, but that's not much of a defense for any of the mages remaining.

 

As far as I'm concerned, the Magi should be broken up as a polity, to the point that even referring to them as 'mages' as a collective identity would be nonsensical.

[SgtSteel91]

It's not a complex idea as much as it is a stupid idea. Fiona was not facing certain painful death at the hands of the Templars at the time of her choice, and the reason why she was in the position she perceived herself as in was one easily predictable from her lackluster revolutionary strategy.

 

To me, she was manipulated by Alexius that certain painful death was inevitable and soon to come and that her only choice was to ally with him. So I can't really condemn her and the mages like some other posters do here. I kind of see their situation similar to the Geth situation in ME3 if the Reapers convinced the Geth the Quarians and the Galaxy were going to kill them all and offered to save them.

 

I also don't condemn the Templars for their actions but I conscript them not for punishment but because I want them to follow me and not the Chantry (and because it helps get Leliana elected as Divine).

[Bucky]

It seems like the main reason to be for mage freedom is that one believes someone shouldn't have their freedom taken away if they haven't actually done anything.

 

That doesn't change because of circumstance.

 

That said, the way the story plays out, siding with the Templars is completely understandable.  Allying with Tevinter definitely falls under the category of "doing something".

 

But even then, that shouldn't change support for mage freedom for those not involved.

[Ceoldoren]

I lean more towards pro-templar now. Pro-circle as well. My preferred resolution would for the Circle to be more of a community rather than a prison. Where Mages can have families and practice their magic safely. And can roam with permission.

 

Templars would be guardians more than prison keepers. They protect the mages and the people. But they have less control over the mages.

 

Now that being said. There is no way in hell I'd give mages full freedom. As it really seems like they can't handle it at this point. They always manage to make **** worse. 

[MightyZan]

I liked the school of enchanters thing that happened at the end of my game, so I am still pretty pro-mage freedom (just don't be an ******* blood mage about it. )

[Ynqve]

Not really, I'm still in the pro-mage freedom camp. I did however change my mind about Fiona. They need to retire her.