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[EmissaryofLies]

Of course, none of our decisions are going to matter because it won't last, whatever we decide.

 

Especially Leliana's approach of the situation.

[Colonelkillabee]

Especially Leliana's approach of the situation.

Thank the Maker, lol. I might do her ending just to laugh when it crashes and burns and everyone regards her as a failure.

[Willowhugger]

Thank the Maker, lol. I might do her ending just to laugh when it crashes and burns and everyone regards her as a failure.

I don't see any likelihood of it failing.

Leliana's solution either ends in blood and knives or compromise.

The latter is surprisingly effective.

People forget Imperialism died at the bargaining table.

[Colonelkillabee]

I don't see any likelihood of it failing.

Leliana's solution either ends in blood and knives or compromise.

The latter is surprisingly effective.

People forget Imperialism died at the bargaining table.

The very fact that it goes from that extreme to the next shows it won't last. Think about it, even in our own game, decisions didn't matter. So what if you went into the well and became bound? Your key was Solas' from the start, and Flemythal becomes a part of him, so you're bound to Solas no matter what you do.

 

With that approach, it's obvious that for the most part, our end result will be the same.

[Barquiel]

Leliana's approach works, and she will be the divine for decades (of course the next game could also be set 100-200 years into the future...in that case, it's possible that nothing matters).

[Willowhugger]

LOLOLOLOL

While I know you're saying it's not gone, just laughing off the after effects of Versailles in the world at large is kind of dismissive to history and its monumental importance.

[Dean_the_Young]

Leliana's approach works

 

*Standards and Citation needed

[Willowhugger]

The very fact that it goes from that extreme to the next shows it won't last. Think about it, even in our own game, decisions didn't matter. So what if you went into the well and became bound? Your key was Solas' from the start, and Flemythal becomes a part of him, so you're bound to Solas no matter what you do.

 

With that approach, it's obvious that for the most part, our end result will be the same.

Which is why it will work, ironically.

All of the endings are:

* Mages' lives improve under Divine Victoria.

* The Templars come back.

* The Circles or something LIKE the Circles yet both controlled by mages come back.

 

The only real difference is the names, really.

[EmissaryofLies]

It's too much, too fast.

 

The mundane aren't ready for it and no doubt the mages aren't either. The first time something goes wrong they'll scream from the rooftops "circle!!".

[Colonelkillabee]

Which is why it will work, ironically.

All of the endings are:

* Mages' lives improve under Divine Victoria.

* The Templars come back.

* The Circles or something LIKE the Circles yet both controlled by mages come back.

 

The only real difference is the names, really.

You really think Bioware's gonna leave us with that honey pie ending and we're all A okay?

 

Well I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[Dean_the_Young]

While I know you're saying it's not gone, just laughing off the after effects of Versailles in the world at large is kind of dismissive to history and its monumental importance.

 

lololololol

[Willowhugger]

You really think Bioware's gonna leave us with that honey pie ending and we're all A okay?

 

Well I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

On my end?

I think this is the new status quo because they're sick of Mages vs. Templars.

So it'll all boil down to, "Okay, they're done hating each other."

Which, honestly, makes sense given far more nasty civil wars have been resolved by less than, "Everyone in one faction dies."

[Willowhugger]

lololololol

 

Now I'm just confused.

[herkles]

before lelianna becomes divine

humans and elves hate eachother and want nothing to do with each other.

mundanes are afraid of mages and templars and mages want to kill one another

 

after lelianna becomes divine(softened)

almost over night hatred vanishes and they all love one another and southern thedas becomes a utopia of tolerance and peace and love. there is no more hatred and no more anger as she makes them all get along and everyone is happy.

[Dean_the_Young]

Now I'm just confused.

 

I find your interpretation of history delightfully charming, that's all.

[Colonelkillabee]

Now I'm just confused.

Lololololololol

[Willowhugger]

before lelianna becomes divine

humans and elves hate eachother and want nothing to do with each other.

mundanes are afraid of mages and templars and mages want to kill one another

 

after lelianna becomes divine(softened)

almost over night hatred vanishes and they all love one another and southern thedas becomes a utopia of tolerance and peace and love. there is no more hatred and no more anger as she makes them all get along and everyone is happy.

 

They don't describe that all, they describe it as a messy-messy transition.

Of course, another quality which Leliana gets elected divine is whether Briala is the Empress of Orlais through Gaspard.

 

People fail to realize JUST HOW MUCH credit she has for this.

In real-life, change usually happens at once then people have to struggle with it for decades.

 

Segregation, for example, wasn't gradually phased out. It was outlawed and people had to deal with it.

[Dean_the_Young]

Which is why it will work, ironically.

All of the endings are:

* Mages' lives improve under Divine Victoria.

* The Templars come back.

* The Circles or something LIKE the Circles yet both controlled by mages come back.

 

The only real difference is the names, really.

 

That's not a reason why they will all succeed- merely a model as to how/why they can all share roughly similar fates and a status quo in future games. Even if that status quo turns out to be 'holding together for the moment, despite undercurrents of dissent.'

 

I give as much credence to the Chantry having a golden age of peace and harmony as I did Ferelden after DAO.

[Willowhugger]

But yes, I think of Leliana's Divineship as only happening with:

 

1. The Mages as allies.

2. The Inquisitor endorsing her.

3. The Templars are, by nature, destroyed with 1#.

4. The Seekers are gone anyway.

5. Briala is the secret puppet master of Orlais.

 

Alistair is also King of Fereldan or Anora and the latter is sympathetic to elves herself (one of her few redeeming qualities).

 

So, there's a lot of political capital in this scenario.

 

It's not like Leliana gets elected without most of these.

Otherwise, Cassandra is.

 

A.K.A. "Queen Let's Go Back To Doing the Same S*** We Were Doing Before but BETTER."

[Colonelkillabee]

Lol.

 

Anyway, the point we're making is something that drastic in a place like this couldn't possibly last without maybe the eternal Tsukuyomi, lol, or the Riddler's mind control things from that batman movie, or a healthy dose of blood magic. It's just too unrealistic. You're setting yourselves up for disappointment.

[EmissaryofLies]

[Willowhugger]

Lol.

 

Anyway, the point we're making is something that drastic in a place like this couldn't possibly last without maybe the eternal Tsukuyomi, lol, or the Riddler's mind control things from that batman movie, or a healthy dose of blood magic. It's just too unrealistic. You're setting yourselves up for disappointment.

 

Again, I'm not sure where you think the problem will come from.

The people can try to resist but these kind of drastic changes happen all the time.

It will cause widespread resentment, social upheaval, and chaos but it will change the world because you can't put a genie like that back in the bottle.