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[Addai]

Also, of course Teagan didn't just abandon his land if he could have hold on to it. And afterwards, the Tevinters weren't ran out of town by guards or angry villagers meaning they had a force strong enough to hold Redcliff.
Which they did. Fiona was sheltered by Ferelden and then she just gave a portion of it to Tevinter.

Alexius only holds Redcliffe in the alternate world scenario where Corypheus wins. As I've already said, no one could have known about the forces Alexius had behind him.

So your alternative to Fiona's decision to go to Tevinter is commit suicide, which is what going to the templars means for any mage who participated in the rebellion. I'd pick life on the run over that, which amounts to the same thing for most of them.

[Sir DeLoria]

It's quite the opposite in fact. You southerners have a reputation for being barbarous.

While you Northeners have a reputation of being a lilttle deranged.

[Colonelkillabee]

I loved this, lol. If Alistair agrees, I agree. "Get the **** out of my Kingdom."

 

Really there was no excuse for what happened with Redcliffe. How many excuses are people going to make for these ****** mages before they finally start holding them liable for their mistakes?

[Willowhugger]

I still say all the southern pansies should have used the Inquisition as a platform to start a permanent 'Jedi Order'. Neutral peace keepers with martial training. But they like being pansies. Wish I could throw them all into a Cassandra boot camp.

I'm hoping that's what they'll be in future games.

"Heroes without Borders."

[Dean_the_Young]

Vivienne's solution was to murder her fellow mages.

 

That's a funny way to describe her acount of what occured in the inter-mage fighting of the schism.

[Colonelkillabee]

Neither the Templars or Mages should be recruited on a "you're all free! do what you want" basis tbh. A case can be made for conscripting both sides though.

I'm not a templar fan so I agree.

[Willowhugger]

Alexius only holds Redcliffe in the alternate world scenario where Corypheus wins. As I've already said, no one could have known about the forces Alexius had behind him.

So your alternative to Fiona's decision to go to Tevinter is commit suicide, which is what going to the templars means for any mage who participated in the rebellion. I'd pick life on the run over that, which amounts to the same thing for most of them.

 

Who is going to kill them?

[Willowhugger]

That's a funny way to describe her acount of what occured in the inter-mage fighting of the schism.

 

Very well, Vivienne's solution is to go "all in" on the side of the Templars on the basis they will show mercy.

This, despite the conclave vote was agreed upon to be binding.

 

And the "all in" involves them putting down the rebels.

Mage blood is on their hands for the dubiousness of Templar good graces.

[Dean_the_Young]

Who is going to kill them?

 

Themselves, apparently.

[Willowhugger]

Themselves, apparently.

 

I am curious where Fiona got this idea of the Templars' power level, though.

 

It's so removed from reality, I'm curious how she fought a war until this point.

[MisterJB]

Alexius only holds Redcliffe in the alternate world scenario where Corypheus wins. As I've already said, no one could have known about the forces Alexius had behind him.

So your alternative to Fiona's decision to go to Tevinter is commit suicide, which is what going to the templars means for any mage who participated in the rebellion. I'd pick life on the run over that, which amounts to the same thing for most of them.

 

Right, a Magíster, given acess to Ferelden, would just come in, take the mages and leave without causing any trouble. Fiona isn't stupid enough to believe that.

She had to have known what inviting Tevinter into Ferelden would entail.

Also, Alexius holds Redcliff in all games. That is precisely what he doing at the beginning of DAI. Holding Redcliff. He took it, now he's holding it.
 

You are being disingenuous on two fronts.

First of all, I presented another option which would simply be "Let the Crown do its jobs and protect the realm if the Templars were really about to attack, which they weren't."

Second, no one said "surrendering to the Templars", I said "join Vivienne" which means to remain loyal to the Chantry to whom the Templars were not even beholden to at that point.

Vivienne's mages were not executed. Do you deny that?

 

However, there wouldn't even be any issue with surrendering to the Templars because, unlike Tevinter, they are not butchers.

I just received a War Table mission where Templars surrounded a group of mages and offered them the chance to surrender. A few tried to and the other mages nearly killed them.

[Colonelkillabee]

Themselves, apparently.

Themselves and everyone around them. Story of Thedas. Smh.

[Willowhugger]

Treason would require the mages actually have a state if I'm not mistaken, which is clearly not the case. At best they're vagabonds with the power to wreak havoc with their minds mooching off of Teagan's and Alistair's good graces. And his mother of all ****ing people still managed to **** that up.

 

I'm sorry, but Blackwall's (and my own) words ring true here. You are who you choose to follow.

 

I decided to reverse my decision and ally with the mages rather than conscript them.

The "we would be honored" isn't what I said, though.

In my head, what I said was, "I can't believe I'm doing this..."

[Sports72Xtrm]

Who is going to kill them?

http://dragonage.wik...plar_Encampment

These guys. Or are we still pretending that the Templar Order wasn't out to kill anyone with in the mage rebellion?

[Willowhugger]

Themselves and everyone around them. Story of Thedas. Smh.

One thing I did like about the Inquisition was the Mage Rebellion was kind of a thing nobody but the Hinterlands really cared about.

 

It's a topic of contemporary interest but no one is really interested in joining in.

Probably because no one really wanted to risk getting frozen to death even if the Templars were the popular pick.

I wonder if that affected the Templar's mood, having to go it alone.

[Barquiel]

I am curious where Fiona got this idea of the Templars' power level, though.
 
It's so removed from reality, I'm curious how she fought a war until this point.

Well as far as I understood it spies infiltrated Redcliffe as refugees, and fed her wrong information. That's why everyone in the tavern was convinced that a templar attack is imminent, even the elderly mage who doesn't like tevinter.

[Willowhugger]

http://dragonage.wik...plar_Encampment

These guys. Or are we still pretending that the Templar Order wasn't out to kill anyone with in the mage rebellion?

You mean the tiny offshoot of Templars my guys wipe out?

The guys getting readily handled by the Mages own weird splinter faction?

The People's Front of the Hinterlands and the Hinterland's Peoples Front were doing a fine job wiping each other out.

Though the people caught in the middle suffered for it.

[Sports72Xtrm]

You mean the tiny offshoot of Templars my guys wipe out?

The guys getting readily handled by the Mages own weird splinter faction?

Oh how convenient. Provided evidence of murderous intent, ignores it to save face.

[Dean_the_Young]

Very well, Vivienne's solution is to go "all in" on the side of the Templars on the basis they will show mercy.

This, despite the conclave vote was agreed upon to be binding.

 

And the "all in" involves them putting down the rebels.

Mage blood is on their hands for the dubiousness of Templar good graces.

 

See, that's even further away from the accounts of what happened.

 

Vivienne's mages didn't join the Templars in the field of battle. Vivienne's mages didn't wage any campaigns or battles against the independence movement. Vivienne's mages didn't hunt down rogue apostates or trick them with false friendship and then stab them in the back or the front. Vivienne's mages simply... didn't rebel.

 

The account of inter-mage fighting we get was that mages who refused to go along with the revolution had to fight their way out because they were attacked by the revolutionaries if they didn't go along with it.

 

Is that a claim that benefits Vivienne's position? Sure. Is it a false claim? We have no evidence to suggest it was. We have even less to indicate they were ever involved in 'putting down the rebels', past following Vivienne's offer to join the Inquisition.

 

To claim they murdered, put down, or attacked other mages solely to get on the Templar's good side is an extreme mischaracterization of what Vivienne's and the loyalist position was, which was that they refused to rebel against the Chantry. Refusing to join the rebellion against the Chantry does not, and never has, meant allying or trying to ally with the Templars.

[Willowhugger]

 

Vivienne's mages didn't join the Templars in the field of battle. Vivienne's mages didn't wage any campaigns or battles against the independence movement. Vivienne's mages didn't hunt down rogue apostates or trick them with false friendship and then stab them in the back or the front. Vivienne's mages simply... didn't rebel.

 

In Haven, you can talk to Vivienne about it and she says the price for the Circle Mages remaining free was joining the war against the Renegades.

Anyone want to back me up here?

[Willowhugger]

Oh how convenient. Provided evidence of murderous intent, ignores it to save face.

 

I'm not ignoring it.

 

I'm just pointing out those Templars are their own splinter army.

[MisterJB]

http://dragonage.wik...plar_Encampment

These guys. Or are we still pretending that the Templar Order wasn't out to kill anyone with in the mage rebellion?

 

1-They're an ofshoot.

2-They were being kept in check by a mage offshoot meaning the full body of the rebellion could have defeated them.
 

[Dean_the_Young]

http://dragonage.wik...plar_Encampment

These guys. Or are we still pretending that the Templar Order wasn't out to kill anyone with in the mage rebellion?

 

How were those guys, a splinter faction without the support of the main faction, supposed to take Redcliffe?