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[Chernaya]

Not really, I'm still in the pro-mage freedom camp. I did however change my mind about Fiona. They need to retire her.

 

Outta likes, but +1, wooord. 

[ManOfSteel]

I've always been pro-Templar. But I'm even more pro-Templar now, following the events of the war and the game as a whole.

[Livi14]

No. I was pro-mage freedom in all three games, and I am pleased with the divine Leliana outcome.

[Goldarmy]

It's not a complex idea as much as it is a stupid idea. 

Stupid in general or stupid in Fiona's position?

 

Fiona was not facing certain painful death at the hands of the Templars at the time of her choice,

No, at the time of her choice she was facing destruction of Conclave, loss of her capable people, a giant hole in the sky, information pollution and rumours about a Templar invasion that was started by infiltrators who used magic to go back in time. 

 

and the reason why she was in the position she perceived herself as in was one easily predictable from her lackluster revolutionary strategy.

 

In English please.

 

As far as I'm concerned, the Magi should be broken up as a polity, to the point that even referring to them as 'mages' as a collective identity would be nonsensical.

 

So you are basically going for "Qunari" solution?

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Went from mild circle supporter to a stronger supporter of the circle and templars in this game.

[Ashevajak]

I was always a pro-Mages player, and sympathetic for the Mages since DAO, but the game made me more sympathetic towards the Templars. Now, I'm pro-Circle who side with the Templars, and as much as I'm supporting reformed Circle with the Mages governing themselvesm, mages have more freedom and responsibility in the reformed circle.

 

I still think we need the Templar Order as an oversight, but they'll no longer stand as jailer. I'm leaning towards the idea of having Templars around as protector of innocent, some sort of police force against evil mages or mages who gone too far and break the law. Not all Templars are power abusive, cruel oppressor, and you'll get a chance to turn this order around back to the way it should be. However I believe Templars who abuse their power should face harsh punishment.

 

That's kinda the position I take on it.

 

I had hoped that one the explicit purposes of the Inquisition would be to serve as a group where both mages and templars could serve - as equals - protecting Thedas' people from the myriad threats out there.  After all, many mages are also devout Andrastians, and probably fear blood magic even more than Templars.  Given a significant amount of freedom, there is no reason why mages and Templars couldn't work together to root out, for example, blood magic abusing apostates, Old One cults etc.

 

Having a Circle that was subordinate to the Order was always going to be a recipe for disaster, especially with the more severe restrictions some Circles were placed under.  It creates from the outset an adversarial relationship, where mages are naturally going to strive for their freedom, and in doing so will be seen as anti-Chantry and invite Templar suppression.  Which will in turn encourage more extreme measures and....well, we all know what happened in DA2.

 

I'm not sure the Circle itself is the answer, not without significant reform, and being a much looser organisation, alongside reform of the Templars.  Something which is more of an association for mages, with mandatory membership, overseen by the Templars but run by mages in most cases, might serve much better.  A presumption of good intentions on the part of mages until there was evidence otherwise, rather than treating them as de facto criminals in the making, might have helped prevent rebellion looking like such an attractive option.

[ERINII]

The outcome of supporting mages always felt kind of ominous to me so I prefer to stick with templars. Really trusting Cassandra to find a way for both to co-exist, still.

[StrangeStrategy]

DAO and the first few times I played DA2? Pro-Mage, Pro-Freedom, anti-Templar anti-Circle. I was young, heavily influenced by Morrigan in DAO (Damn young me, why couldn't I have learned from Wynne lol!?) and saw the Templars are oppressors and zealots.

Playing DA2 last year or so (In preparation for DAI) I completely changed, to pro-circle, pro-good Templars, anti-freedom and pro-good mages.

 

Playing DAI, I've become firmly pro-Circle, and pro-"I think I'm sick of mages and Templars". The rebel mages proved that the moment they get freedom they cause chaos and ally with Tevinter and bring about the end of the world, and the Templars show what blind zealotry can do. At least the Templars fought against corruption though.

 

Vivienne has got it right though: Mages who prove themselves earn respect and freedom. The Circle should give them the means to prove themselves, which it already does in most Circles, even the bad ones. Pro-Templar leads to harshness which encourages rebellion, and Pro-Mage leads to Ferelden's Circle, where the Templars were too lenient to notice all the corrupted mages plotting.

[Barquiel]

The game confirmed my opinion that the templars and circles were the cause of most problems. Every crisis we saw in the games (novels) was a result of oppression of mages. I allied with the rebel mages and the first thing our circle advocate Vivienne tells me about them is that I should train some more templars or abominations will overrun will Haven. I refuse and what happens? Nothing. I didn't see a single abomination in the game. Then Leliana abolishes the circles as the divine. What's the result? Mages are enjoying unprecedented acceptance throughout Thedas.

[dragondreamer]

My opinion is the same, but I've always been a middle grounder with a pro-mage leaning.  I think there was a need for the Circles, but the templars needed better oversight and the system needed a good overhaul.  I suppose it doesn't matter much in my canon now, somehow Leliana was chosen as Divine, and she abolished the Circles...not sure/don't recall what happens to the templars.  Doesn't sound ominious in the epilogue, but I guess only the future will tell how that turns out.  I'm hoping the new College of Enchanters plans to do something about all the mage kids out there needing instruction.  And a policing order of some sort will still be needed, so I'd assume there's still going to be sane templars still involved somewhere.

[DKJaigen]

Its so strange people are bashing the mages for becoming servants of the tevinters to survive but so few words are spoken of the red templars who willingly started sniffing red lyrium to enhance their powers. The red templars is going to be permanent issue now. and i do not trust a group of addicts to do the right thing. so Leliana is the new divine the templars/seekers disbanded and the college of enchanters created.

[Master Warder Z_]

Red Templars only became a thing due to mages.

Blighted lyrium and all.

[Chernaya]

Its so strange people are bashing the mages for becoming servants of the tevinters to survive but so few words are spoken of the red templars who willingly started sniffing red lyrium to enhance their powers. The red templars is going to be permanent issue now. and i do not trust a group of addicts to do the right thing. so Leliana is the new divine the templars/seekers disbanded and the college of enchanters created.

 

Yeah, there was too much dumb going on, on both sides. But with the mages I felt most of the blame went to Fiona with her making the decisions for them (you can talk to mages who aren't thrilled about the choice), whereas the templars I felt so many of them had willingly made this completely idiotic choice. The remaining sane templars though, I had a lot of respect for. They were awesome. So everything turned out pretty even for me this time around. It was a nice change of feelings for me. 

[Luckyanna]

Still pro-mage, maybe a bit less pro-freedom - mages can be dangerous and they need a place where they can learn to control their skills. I did like Cassie's ideas, but somehow Leliana ended up being the Divine. Although, I admit the College of Enchanters is a good idea (not that it had anything to do with Leliana) - it's pretty much a Circle, but with a different name, so it doesn't carry the same stigma. I do wonder if one college is enough for the entire South though. How many kiddies will end up dead or under the wrong influence due to living to far from wherever it is? 

[raging_monkey]

Red Templars only became a thing due to mages.
Blighted lyrium and all.

*sarcastic hawke voice* it was a darkspawn, darkspawn

But really does that honestly really excuse them cant blame magi for everything... else we become qunari

[Master Warder Z_]

If Mages stopped ruining the world they'd stop being blamed.

[raging_monkey]

If Mages stopped ruining the world they'd stop being blamed.

if you stop treating them like children they'd stop,

Mind you not excusing them merely saying going back will cause problems

[Steelcan]

if you stop treating them like children they'd stop

yes, Tevinter treats mages like children

[raging_monkey]

yes, Tevinter treats mages like children

more like the "chosen few" its a bit of both from what ive heard

[Steelcan]

more like the "chosen few" its a bit of both from what ive heard

they in no way treat ,ages like children, hell Southern mages aren't treated like children.

 

Instead of being held blameless due to inexperience they are expected to know how to behave and act as soon as they pop out.

[Icinix]

I've been reasonably consistent, believing mages need guardians, but deserve more freedom.

 

That hasn't changed much through all three games.

[thetawaves90]

Definitely at the end of DA2.

• Hi, I'm Hawke and I'm on your side mage-bros! I think you mages are being opressed horrifically and cruelly. You're not all Blood Magic lunatics and terrorists, so let's stop the assumption that the extremist minority is representive of mages on the whole
• Hey Anders, sure I'll help you cleave that spirit from yourself. You won't tell me the particulars of the de-spiriting process? Weeeeeell you've been uber trust worthy and a true companion, have these ingredients and come back a new man. God speed, friend.

A few hours later...

• Anders? Still got the spirit glued to you? Groovy. Help me out here buddy: why did you think that murderising the one individual in the position to help your cause peacefully, not discounting the fact she was sympathetic to your cause, would help the mage's situation and the perception of them in the slightest? No? Nothing? You're a special kind of individual, Anders.
• Hey Orsino. That Anders guy eh? Sheesh. At least you've got your head screwed on straight; we'll prove we're not all blood mage lunatics and extremists. Sure we're cornered, but we can get out of this just fine and show a true mage's self control and willpower against all odds. Wait...Orsino...what are you doing with those corpses there ol' buddy ol' pal?

Templars all the way on my next playthrough.

[raging_monkey]

they in no way treat ,ages like children, hell Southern mages aren't treated like children.
 
Instead of being held blameless due to inexperience they are expected to know how to behave and act as soon as they pop out.

they lack "proper behavior" because the southerners(need a different name for mages in the south "white mages" maybe?) Arent allowed to mingle with the non-magi. Creating in part tgis issue

[Bucky]

I audibly snorted when Vivienne said that the problem with the mage rebellion is that mages don't understand the outside world.

 

Well, yeah . . . funny how that happened. 

[Chernaya]

I audibly snorted when Vivienne said that the problem with the mage rebellion is that mages don't understand the outside world.

 

Well, yeah . . . funny how that happened. 

 

The irony.