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[darthdrake201]

tommythetomcat wrote...

darthdrake201 wrote...

Is it just me or what, an rpg without specialization or stats makes the game quite boring and ridiculously easy.Please dont think iam a troll, iam a hardcore fan of bioware since playing baldur on ps2 but iam only going to play this sequel to see the story since theres no challenge. Hopefully SWTOR will be nothing like this.

lol who are you kidding, swtor is going to be so dumbed down it will be a travesty.  Anyways ME1 for all its flaws was great, but ME2 delivers on the more important parts of the game.  Most people aren't stat ****s so appealing to only that crowd makes no sense.

Meh I see it as customizing your character for your type of playstyle rather then stat stacking.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

And here comes the braindead ''it's a shooter it's not an RPG anymore'' army.



It was never a pure RPG to begin with, but ME2 is much more of an RPG than the first part was.

[AlbertoAquilani]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

And here comes the braindead ''it's a shooter it's not an RPG anymore'' army.

It was never a pure RPG to begin with, but ME2 is much more of an RPG than the first part was.

It's mostly the hardcore RPG fans that will moan, purely because it doesn't have what they wanted and they think the term role-playing game is defined to that one particular feature.

[jkelso1]

I was a little upset with the leveling too until I realized that there was a lot of useless fluff in ME1 leveling. You don't need to level each type of weapon to use them. You don't use points to level charm or intimidate. You don't have to level abilities to hack or decrypt. I see these all as good things. My soldier doesn't have to have Tali in my group at all times now (even though she will be!)

[turianscantjunp]

if u want dungeons and dragons stick to Dragon Age.....



if you want an epic action packed sci fi adventure starring yours truly,where youre ROLE is to save humanity once again by PLAYING as shepard, then stick to masseffect. cant wait my copies comming tomorow haha. GAME on!!!

[Theronyll Itholien]

People who actually LIKE the planet scanning are absolutely beyond me. If you liked it the first time... ok, it's hard to fathom but OK. But are you guys seriously saying you still like it after done it twice... three times?! Give me a break. Cut the bull**** and BioHugging.



There. I said it.

[AlbertoAquilani]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

People who actually LIKE the planet scanning are absolutely beyond me. If you liked it the first time... ok, it's hard to fathom but OK. But are you guys seriously saying you still like it after done it twice... three times?! Give me a break. Cut the bull**** and BioHugging.

There. I said it.

No one's talking about the planet scanning here.

[Darth_Trethon]

Mass Effect 2 is PERFECT.....well unless you're on PC in which case it probably isn't that great.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

People who actually LIKE the planet scanning are absolutely beyond me. If you liked it the first time... ok, it's hard to fathom but OK. But are you guys seriously saying you still like it after done it twice... three times?! Give me a break. Cut the bull**** and BioHugging.

There. I said it.

one thing?

[Theronyll Itholien]

AlbertoAquilani wrote...

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

And here comes the braindead ''it's a shooter it's not an RPG anymore'' army.

It was never a pure RPG to begin with, but ME2 is much more of an RPG than the first part was.

It's mostly the hardcore RPG fans that will moan, purely because it doesn't have what they wanted and they think the term role-playing game is defined to that one particular feature.

Nonsense.

There are RPG lovers here that feel claustrophobic when they play ME2 or even think of ME2 after they've played it because it's so god damn lineair. The whole "Mission Complete" moments don't help either! Cut the "mostly hardcore RPG fans" balderdash.

I like an inventory. I like the thrill of collecting better gear. I like to improve in more than 4 things when I level up, definitely if 1 of those upgrades only increase some stats. Am I an hardcore RPG player in your eyes? If so, you're wrong. If not, then I've made my point.

We had complains about ME1's inventory system. What did Bioware do? They REMOVED IT COMPLETELY!
We had complains about ME1's planet exploration system. What did they do? They REMOVED IT COMPLETELY!
We had complains about ME1's leveling system. What did they do? They made it 80% more simplistic! That's not improving anything.

Modifié par Theronyll Itholien, 26 janvier 2010 - 05:18 .

[Kwonnern]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is PERFECT.....well unless you're on PC in which case it probably isn't that great.

And why is that? 

[Vengal345]

PC version has been preforming really well for me considering I have a mid range system and it still looks damn good. I thought that planet scanning, hacking, and bypassing would get annoying after the first hour of the game but you get good at it and they make it all rewarding through money and resources. I wouldn't say I liked doing any of it but it was a alot better then simon or the ME1 minigames.

[Barhador]

bcooper56 wrote...

1. The new lvling system in my opinion is a step back i have only having 4 upgrade per power and there are even less than first game. I know the first game was not as deep as game like dragon age but still it was huge step back and just limits it into more of shooter.

In ME1 there are only three upgrades per power? You get the power first the first upgrade, then it can be improved to advanced or master.

Example from Mass Effect 1:
Marksman: + 1 round/sec
Advanced Marksman:  + 1,5 round/sec
Master Marksman:  + 2 round/sec

[PerfectLife]

WillieStyle wrote...

In most RPGs the abundance of stats/talents is an illusion. There are typically 2-3 solid paths to take and anything else just isn't worth it.
I mean why was immunity even optional in ME1? Did any soldier or infiltrator not max it out?

Streamlining stats and talents is a good thing. Having an over abundance of either just makes it more likely that folks will screw up their characters.

This is actually the reason people are pissed off. They remember the times when they had to pour through stats, dig into math equations, stress all night, worry and plot, replay the game dozens of times just to get that character with the "best" stats. And, they LOVED doing it. They totally loved all the suffering and misery that something as unimportant as a video game could produce for them. They also loved feeling the illusion of being superior to other people which would create even more problems for them and exponentially more suffering.

I think those people are idiots and should be made into batteries.

[Dr Bob UK]

Adding skill points for weapons has been taken out - thank god.

[Duckduden]

Kindair wrote...

stats don't define a rpg, they are made to make it easier to grasp a situation and react to them. A real rpg doesn't have stats, doesn't have numbers, doesn't have dice to roll. A real RPG is played by telling a story and telling the dm how you react. This is of course the boring True RPG and most people went with the d&d systems and now the d20 system, which is a good system for action, but the d10 gives far more custimizability.

For those who praise the first game, the big number of skills to choose from. What did you do? max out weapon skill, max out super awesome power, do the same thing as 90% of the playerbase did. What real choices did you make?

That's imho the real problem, most of the things weren't even choices. Same with weapons and armour, 1 good weapon, 1 good armour, whoever gotten new weapons after they got specter weapons? The ones I had were so much better that EVERY WEAPON that dropped was JUNK.

The game is not worst, it's better. Try to enjoy it rather than play 2 hours and start ranting. The story is so good, once you get into that part, you will find out why you want to complete the game.

Thank you. In a sea of stupidity your post was one of the few islands of relief.

And to the haters, why cant you go make one enormous "this is why i hate mass effect 2" thread, will cut down the amount of threads, and maybe just maybe some developer will see it and think about you guys next time around.

[WrexEffex]

I don't like how the text is so small, it's very hard for me to read. Other than that, the game takes some getting used to but I really like it.

[PerfectLife]

Duckduden wrote...

Thank you. In a sea of stupidity your post was one of the few islands of relief.

And to the haters, why cant you go make one enormous "this is why i hate mass effect 2" thread, will cut down the amount of threads, and maybe just maybe some developer will see it and think about you guys next time around.

Because they are honestly so stupid they think that if they make lots of little posts we'll all suddenly go blind and think they're not total morons who have no ablity to control thier emotions at any time and are little more than monkeys with less hair.

I once tried being nice to them, by the way, and they got even more annoying. So these day's it's boot to the throat untill unconsious every time.

[Clash206]

bcooper56 wrote...

Okay so im 2 hours in and there are two things that are really make game bad for me.

1. The new lvling system in my opinion is a step back i have only having 4 upgrade per power and there are even less than first game. I know the first game was not as deep as game like dragon age but still it was huge step back and just limits it into more of shooter.

2. Scanning the planets has to be the worst part of the game. I really rather have the mako back it boring and after 1 or 2 planets it's so dam boring.

3. How you earn weapons is also really bad. I don't know abut rest of you but i liked buying weapons instead of upgrading the limited ones in thes ship.

Last all i can say me1 was trying to an rpg and shooter and did both okay but nether was great and well in me2 they pretty much went more shooter and stripped down the rpg parts. Sure i still really like the game and will finish it and play it to death but at the end of the day if i want an rpg ill go back to dragon age on my pc.

dude, proof read............ holy crap
Seeing as you are ONLY 2 hours into an rpg, i would have to say give it time, RPG's always get better with age :happy:

maybe as you get the options to go deeper with these features you will start to enjoy them.

[Balek-Vriege]

I keep seeing these threads about how Mass Effect isn't an RPG but a Shooter because their isn't an inventory system, the mini-games/scanning "suck," combat is too combat like and the leveling system is too simple.



What I want to know is when RPGs went from being about story, dialogue and characters to being about inventory systems, minigames and complicated/cumbersome combat/stats? It seems if it doesn't have those last three its automatically a shooter or dumbed downed piece of junk that only "fanboyz" like. Forget all the character choices, the great dialogue and epic storyline...those are shooters/action things...



RPG=Role Playing Game. Not Inventory/Level/Statistic Management and Multi-Simulation game. Although all can be included in an RPG the same way shooter aspects can as FEATURES, not RPG elements.



I have been playing RPGs since the early 90s and probably 75% of RPGs ever made would be disqualified from actually being RPGs by some of the standards on these boards. I admit some of the features I liked in some and others I hated them, but I never thought that just because I didn't like an RPG's style it was therefore not an RPG.

[Yana Montana]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

There are RPG lovers here that feel claustrophobic when they play ME2 or even think of ME2 after they've played it because it's so god damn lineair. The whole "Mission Complete" moments don't help either! Cut the "mostly hardcore RPG fans" balderdash.

I like an inventory. I like the thrill of collecting better gear. I like to improve in more than 4 things when I level up, definitely if 1 of those upgrades only increase some stats. Am I an hardcore RPG player in your eyes? If so, you're wrong. If not, then I've made my point.

We had complains about ME1's inventory system. What did Bioware do? They REMOVED IT COMPLETELY!
We had complains about ME1's planet exploration system. What did they do? They REMOVED IT COMPLETELY!
We had complains about ME1's leveling system. What did they do? They made it 80% more simplistic! That's not improving anything.

Thank you very much, sir. You just saved my time when posting your perfect answer. We didn't ask to remove all those wonderful features, we simply wanted them to be revised, updated, more detailed. Though it drives me crazy sometimes but I LOVE the inventory, I LOVE looking 4 better armor and weapons and I LOVE spending hours while leveling up my Shepards in ME1. And I LOVE my ME1 LI's!!! It's just sad.

[PerfectLife]

Balek-Vriege wrote...

I keep seeing these threads about how Mass Effect isn't an RPG but a Shooter because their isn't an inventory system, the mini-games/scanning "suck," combat is too combat like and the leveling system is too simple.

What I want to know is when RPGs went from being about story, dialogue and characters to being about inventory systems, minigames and complicated/cumbersome combat/stats? It seems if it doesn't have those last three its automatically a shooter or dumbed downed piece of junk that only "fanboyz" like. Forget all the character choices, the great dialogue and epic storyline...those are shooters/action things...

RPG=Role Playing Game. Not Inventory/Level/Statistic Management and Multi-Simulation game. Although all can be included in an RPG the same way shooter aspects can as FEATURES, not RPG elements.

I have been playing RPGs since the early 90s and probably 75% of RPGs ever made would be disqualified from actually being RPGs by some of the standards on these boards. I admit some of the features I liked in some and others I hated them, but I never thought that just because I didn't like an RPG's style it was therefore not an RPG.

I just love your brain.

[darthdrake201]

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Nonsense.

There are RPG lovers here that feel claustrophobic when they play ME2 or even think of ME2 after they've played it because it's so god damn lineair. The whole "Mission Complete" moments don't help either! Cut the "mostly hardcore RPG fans" balderdash.

I like an inventory. I like the thrill of collecting better gear. I like to improve in more than 4 things when I level up, definitely if 1 of those upgrades only increase some stats. Am I an hardcore RPG player in your eyes? If so, you're wrong. If not, then I've made my point.

We had complains about ME1's inventory system. What did Bioware do? They REMOVED IT COMPLETELY!
We had complains about ME1's planet exploration system. What did they do? They REMOVED IT COMPLETELY!
We had complains about ME1's leveling system. What did they do? They made it 80% more simplistic! That's not improving anything.

[/quote]

Absoloutely! 
The entire game in all aspects is linear and boring. How the hell is using cryo/incen ammo one of my "special" abilities. So stupid. Seriously they should just get rid of upgrading and specialization since its 100% linear and doesnt matter what you choose.

Modifié par darthdrake201, 26 janvier 2010 - 05:55 .

[PerfectLife]

darthdrake201 wrote...



Absoloutely! 
The entire game in all aspects is linear and boring. How the hell is using cryo/incen ammo one of my "special" abilities. So stupid.

Hah hah, you bought a game you don't like and are now complaining online so everyone can know you're dumb. Good job compounding error with incompetence adding in a nice healthy dash of ignorance.