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[Tamras1972]

I really dont want to play male character...but I want to try wooing Cassandra.  I already tried same-sex with Josephine (which is sweet but a little boring) and I can barely understand Sera so Cassandra is the only other female option. 

 

I doubt bioware will consider lifting the gender restriction I can still suggest it.  I hope someone creates a mod for this soon. 

The race restriction doesnt bother me much as I usually only play female elf or human. 

 

Well, I may still play male character but I'd probably go for Iron Bull or Dorian. I may try Qunari male coz the horns are just so...

[keyip]

Blame the people criticising DA2 who were pissed there were "no gender restrictions" in the game. Being able to romance everyone regardless of what gender you were was "too unrealistic."

[Beanstalk]

DA2 had all potential LIs swing both ways, and tbh that seemed kind of stupid. Pandering to the player like that undermines characterization. A fleshed out character has to have defined traits that you just have to accept and deal with - just like a real person would. And sexuality happens to be a rather important trait in a game with prominent romance aspects.

 

edit: Scoff at the desire for "realism" all you like, but in a game with strong character focus, realistic characterization matters. It's what helps people suspend disbelief and treat (and feel about!) a digital manequin like an actual person.

[Natashina]

Cassandra is heterosexual.  There is no "gender restriction," the companions and advisers have a set sexuality.  Just like a straight or gay person doesn't have a "gender restriction" in real life.  This is what the DA team plans on doing from here on out.  Some characters will be gay, some will be bisexual and some will be straight.  They've been talking about putting in an asexual romance as well in future installments.

 

As far as modding goes, the modders have been trying to work with the engine.  So far, they've managed to change the names of characters in the chat bubbles.  I saw a screenshot of Cullen having the name Morrigan on his chat bubble.  They've also got the causal outfit recolored, and they are working on trying to re-insert the mesh/texture back into the game.  I think we're a long ways out yet from having an "Equal Love" mod for DA:I

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

dude it makes it a bit more realistic if they have there own preferences.

I irl am a lesbian I cant romance a heterosexual girl.

[Tamras1972]

but thats the thing, this is a game, not real life...

[Cid Revolution]

Although I personally don't care about the issue, the argument can be made that because this is a game, and games are made in order to engage the player for optimal enjoyment, it should tailor to the desires of the player in such a way that most of what is impossible in real life is made possible in the game if that were to lead to the optimal enjoyment of the player. So in theory, everyone should be fair game so as not to hinder someone's attempt at optimal enjoyment.

[Natashina]

but thats the thing, this is a game, not real life...

The writers want it to reflect real life, when it comes to sexuality.  Trust me, they aren't changing their minds on this one.  You should watch the GaymerX panel that David Gaider was on from earlier this year.  

 

And personally, I'm happy to see bisexual characters that can't be taken as "playersexual" or "straight/gay depending up on the PC."  Up until this year, Fenris and Merrill were both considered ambiguous.  David Gaider put the kabosh on that (to at least one person's dismay) by confirming that they were bisexual.   They weren't just there for the player's benefit.  It's now confirmed that all 4 LIs options were bi, so they've had a set sexuality the whole time.

 

Not to mention Gaider has expressed nothing but disdain for making all LIs available to all genders all the time, just for the sake of romance.  As has his boss, Mike Laidlaw, lead project head for the Dragon Age series.

 

 If you don't want to roll up a male character to romance Cass with, then that's on you and not on the writers.   She's straight.  Gonna have to deal with it, unfortunately.  I know I'm rolling up a male PC when the time comes for a Cass romance.

 

Being straight, or gay, or even bisexual is more than just a pronoun swap here and there.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

but thats the thing, this is a game, not real life...

so?

If they all were Bi everyone would be bemoan it as another DA2.

[JR1911]

I agree that the characters should have a set sexuality and not be available to romance for all player characters. I just wish I would've been able to romance Cassandra as a female, playing as a male is just so boring for me  . I romanced Sera with my human female warrior on my first playthrough, I then started another playthrough as a human male but I've abandoned it for now shortly after reaching Skyhold. Currently I'm playing an elf female and romancing Josephine.

[Tamras1972]

I agree that the characters should have a set sexuality and not be available to romance for all player characters. I just wish I would've been able to romance Cassandra as a female, playing as a male is just so boring for me  . I romanced Sera with my human female warrior on my first playthrough, I then started another playthrough as a human male but I've abandoned it for now shortly after reaching Skyhold. Currently I'm playing an elf female and romancing Josephine.

 

I started playing Male too coz I had my eye on Cassandra from the start....but it is just boring for me too and abandoned it way before Skyhold.  I started another (female elf) for Josephine but abandoned it again after I finished the cutscene from the 2nd personal quest.

 

I'm not suggesting to turn everyone bi...just Cassandra.  They can turn Sera straight for all I care. But, sadly, i have to deal with it. 

[DetcelferVisionary]

I really dont want to play male character...but I want to try wooing Cassandra.  I already tried same-sex with Josephine (which is sweet but a little boring) and I can barely understand Sera so Cassandra is the only other female option. 

 

I doubt bioware will consider lifting the gender restriction I can still suggest it.  I hope someone creates a mod for this soon. 

The race restriction doesnt bother me much as I usually only play female elf or human. 

 

Well, I may still play male character but I'd probably go for Iron Bull or Dorian. I may try Qunari male coz the horns are just so...

 

Look,  the problem is simple,  bi-option relationships suffer in quality writing.  I tried Josephine and it was,  for me,  my least favorite relationship thus far.  Where as,  when I tried Cass,  it was a night and day difference.  

 

If they truly want to solve this problem,  then separate dialogue needs to be set for both.  But why bother?  Not being able to romance everyone under the sun really shouldn't be that big of a deal, right?  At the end of the day,  it's just a game.  I'm not sure if I want the writers focusing more on relationships at this point.  There is a host of other bits that could use more attention.

[wright1978]

I'm not a fan of the gender gating they introduced. Still hoping(no doubt forlornly) that they'll go back to the DA2 approach in future.

[syllogi]

Look,  the problem is simple,  bi-option relationships suffer in quality writing.  I tried Josephine and it was,  for me,  my least favorite relationship thus far.  Where as,  when I tried Cass,  it was a night and day difference.  

 

If they truly want to solve this problem,  then separate dialogue needs to be set for both.  But why bother?  Not being able to romance everyone under the sun really shouldn't be that big of a deal, right?  At the end of the day,  it's just a game.  I'm not sure if I want the writers focusing more on relationships at this point.  There is a host of other bits that could use more attention.

 

Was Josephine's romance less interesting *because* she was a bisexual romance option?  Does she even ever talk about being bisexual in any context?  I've been meaning to ask in her thread if there's anything in her romance where she talks about her sexuality at all.  I have a suspicion it never comes up.

 

Is it possible that Cassandra's romance is better not because she is strictly heterosexual, but because she's the "leading lady" of this game, and because the Inquisitor spends much more time building a rapport with Cassandra, whether romanced or not, so that her romance feels more interesting and fulfilling?

 

Personally, after feeling obliged to at least try the Sera romance, I still would prefer to romance Cassandra with my female Inquisitor.  Both because I really like how Cassandra was written, personality wise, and because she was written to be a major character with plot relevance.

 

I fail to see how "Sera will join you FOR NOW" and having to be careful not to kick Sera out of my party every single time I chat with her conveys any kind of relevance to her character by Bioware.  If anything, it feels like they want to reassure players that Sera is disposable and can be easily erased.  I can't even get a read on Josephine, so I haven't tried to romance her, and probably won't.  So yeah, this brave new world of "fully gay characters" and REAL bi/pan characters isn't doing anything for me.

 

I'm happy for those who feel that Dorian's romance was well written, it sounds like it was.  But I don't really see how the f/f romances were made "better" by this system.  If anything, I was once again reminded that the main female romanceable character, Cassandra, was meant for straight male gamers only, just like characters like Bastila, Miranda, Ashley, and Morrigan before her, and that isn't a pleasant feeling.

[Kantr]

The gender gating is good and it makes sense. Why should everyone be bisexual. Dorian personal quest and his somewhat exile would not make sense.

[Boobasaurus]

I started playing Male too coz I had my eye on Cassandra from the start....but it is just boring for me too and abandoned it way before Skyhold.  I started another (female elf) for Josephine but abandoned it again after I finished the cutscene from the 2nd personal quest.

 

I'm not suggesting to turn everyone bi...just Cassandra.  They can turn Sera straight for all I care. But, sadly, i have to deal with it. 

 

This awfully sounds like you just want Bioware to cater to your specific needs instead of arguing against gender restrictions in romance options.

[DaemionMoadrin]

The Cassandra romance reminded me a lot of Ashley in Mass Effect. Poetry. -.- Btw... Cassandra was the only one I find remotely attractive and she's only as popular as the woman who -always- dies on Virmire.

I wouldn't mind not having any romance in the game at all. Unpopular opinion, I know.

[Panda]

I like gender restrictions.. but I agree that when they go against your plans they aren't nice ^^;

 

Bisexual or lesbian Cass would be very nice. Some players would say that it would be lesbian stereotype.. but probaply f/f players in general would appreciate her lot more than m/f players. At least from the comments I have seen.

 

What I originally hoped was bisexual Cassandra, Dorian and Cullen. Blackwall gay cause Ser Bara and lesbian Vivienne. Other LI's would have been what they are.

[Natashina]

The Cassandra romance reminded me a lot of Ashley in Mass Effect. Poetry. -.- Btw... Cassandra was the only one I find remotely attractive and she's only as popular as the woman who -always- dies on Virmire.

I wouldn't mind not having any romance in the game at all. Unpopular opinion, I know.

You already have that option of not having a romance in the game.  Don't click on option with the shiny red heart icon.   Problem solved.   

 

I loved Ashley.  It doesn't hurt that Kimberly Brooks is a sweetheart as I found out at Denver Comic Con in the summer.  Her speaking voice sounds just like Ash.  

[Dubya75]

I really dont want to play male character...but I want to try wooing Cassandra.  I already tried same-sex with Josephine (which is sweet but a little boring) and I can barely understand Sera so Cassandra is the only other female option. 

 

I doubt bioware will consider lifting the gender restriction I can still suggest it.  I hope someone creates a mod for this soon. 

The race restriction doesnt bother me much as I usually only play female elf or human. 

 

Well, I may still play male character but I'd probably go for Iron Bull or Dorian. I may try Qunari male coz the horns are just so...

 

So you really think simply "lifting the restriction" is going to solve it....and that via a mod??? You're kidding right? It's not like flipping a switch. Do you have any idea how how these romance progressions work, not to mention all the unique dialogue, animations and settings that is required? Neither do I, but I am sure it is way beyond what any modder can achieve.

It's simply NOT going to happen. 

The romance options were created the way they have been in order to simulate some level of realism and identity to characters. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

Modders can do it. They did it for a lot of other games, too. Origins for example.

[Tamras1972]

This awfully sounds like you just want Bioware to cater to your specific needs instead of arguing against gender restrictions in romance options.

 

but of course. It's more a wishful thinking to make Cassandra open for female romance. No gender restriction is only really meant for her as she's the only one I find interesting in the game. I like how she is written -- her banters, background history, etc.  So, yes I'd like to romance her too to see how she interacts romantically. And because I only enjoy playing female characters -- hence the suggestion. But I can deal.

[MiyoKit]

I personally prefer the player sexual approach. For me, their sexuality doesn't 'make' them as characters. Dorian would still be Dorian if he was straight, bi or whatever. His sexuality isn't a defining feature about him, just his story. In DA:O I don't think of Alistair as 'straight Alistair' or Anders as 'bi Anders', they're just Alistair & Anders and would be the same whichever gender they romanced.

 

Some companions are more integral to the story than others. For example, I think female PCs were very lucky in DA:O with Alistair, since he's so important to the overall story & beyond. However male / male PCs were stuck with Zevran, a 'take him or leave him' companion in terms of plot. In DA:I, the 'main companions' (those integral to the plot) are once again straight, leaving same sex relationships to 'take them or leave them' companions. Player sexuality removes these issues.

[Beanstalk]

Look,  the problem is simple,  bi-option relationships suffer in quality writing.  

*cough* Iron Bull *cough*

[Sartoz]

Too many LIs will dilute any "intense" relationships. This game has too many. Result? Josephine...what a waste! LI Examples: CASS plays an important role in this game. Very influential character. Result = large Word Budget = someone you get to know = 3D character = a LI you can wrap your arms around. Dorian is a supporting character, yet his Word Budget is Huge compared to Solas. Result = someone you get to know = 3D character = a LI you can wrap your arms around. To be fair, the Word Budget may be the same for all. I just have no interest in exploring other characters and thus have not triggered a barrage of lines from them