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[Sylvius the Mad]

Let's put it this way:

If there's no gender restrictions everyone can chose what they like - even those who wants Cassandra to be heterosexual.

And everyone is happy.

The entire defense of the current gender restrictions is oldfashoned and discriminating in every way. It is a game, not reality. A game is supposed to entertain you.

Would Dorian's story make sense at all of he weren't gay?

[syllogi]

If you like Sera, why should it matter if she has vocal haters?

 

Well for one thing, I was actually attacked on tumblr for defending her, so it kind of sucks feeling like I'm about to have some stranger try to doxx me for liking a video game character and wanting to speak up whenever I see some hyperbolic statement about Sera being an abusive transphobic self hating racist piece of trash come across my dash.

 

For another, I do care about how a lesbian character is going to be perceived in a Dragon Age game, because I do really enjoy Bioware's games and feel like it's a reflection of whether or not the people making these games care about players like me, who have been asking for representation.  I mean, they do interviews and go to conventions to talk about how they care about the fans of this game, so it's not like I'm getting this idea from nowhere.  

 

And I don't really feel her romance, but I like her character, so it's kind of a protective thing.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Bastila, Carth, Alistair, Morrigan, Cassandra...for a guy who supposedly finds heterosexuality "offensive" he seems to write a fair number of heterosexual romance options.

Has David ever claimed to find heterosexuality offensive?

[pengwin21]

They would have to rewrite Dorians entire personal story. It's not that simple.

 

I guess Dorian could just refuse to marry someone he wasn't in love with instead. It would be similar, but kinda...lame I think.

[Mr.House]

Well for one thing, I was actually attacked on tumblr for defending her, so it kind of sucks feeling like I'm about to have some stranger try to doxx me for liking a video game character and wanting to speak up whenever I see some hyperbolic statement about Sera being an abusive transphobic self hating racist piece of trash come across my dash.

 

For another, I do care about how a lesbian character is going to be perceived in a Dragon Age game, because I do really enjoy Bioware's games and feel like it's a reflection of whether or not the people making these games care about players like me, who have been asking for representation.  I mean, they do interviews and go to conventions to talk about how they care about the fans of this game, so it's not like I'm getting this idea from nowhere.  

 

And I don't really feel her romance, but I like her character, so it's kind of a protective thing.

Ah ok I understand now, that does suck though TZ

[Mr.House]

I guess Dorian could just refuse to marry someone he wasn't in love with instead. It would be similar, but kinda...lame I think.

That would just ruin the emotional power of the scene. Dorian not wanting to marry someone because he is not sexuality intrested in females and his father trying to force him and falling into his pride is simply far more interesting to me then "I don't love them so I refused"

[pengwin21]

Has David ever claimed to find heterosexuality offensive?

 

Ohh you were talking about herosexuality where I thought you typo'd heterosexuality. My bad.

[Mr.House]

AN unnecessary rewrite, no thank you.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Well for one thing, I was actually attacked on tumblr for defending her, so it kind of sucks feeling like I'm about to have some stranger try to doxx me for liking a video game character and wanting to speak up whenever I see some hyperbolic statement about Sera being an abusive transphobic self hating racist piece of trash come across my dash.

 

For another, I do care about how a lesbian character is going to be perceived in a Dragon Age game, because I do really enjoy Bioware's games and feel like it's a reflection of whether or not the people making these games care about players like me, who have been asking for representation.  I mean, they do interviews and go to conventions to talk about how they care about the fans of this game, so it's not like I'm getting this idea from nowhere.  

 

And I don't really feel her romance, but I like her character, so it's kind of a protective thing.

What the actual FU*K people hate me?...uh Sera?

but seriosly. its Tumbler why are you even there that site is only good for the ask.... comics and being made to punch your computer.

 

word of advice fukem.

those gits are just offended by everything.

[Maverick827]

Is Dorian's story solely about that, though? Is that all he is?

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

What the actual FU*K people hate me?...uh Sera?
but seriosly. its Tumbler why are you even there that site is only good for the ask.... comics and being made to punch your computer.
 
word of advice fukem.
those gits are just offended by everything.

Meh...is better then 4Chan at least, where if your not a straight male you better be prepared for alot of homophobic or sexist abuse

[Biotic_Warlock]

As much as I wish I could wave a magic wand IRL I can't.
I am not a fan of 'free-for-all' option regarding romances.
In the case of Kaidan in Mass Effect, even though he wasn't -in the end- roman able by male Shepard, in the scripting (or whatever) he actually was meant to be that way. From what I can guess, that was removed because of backlash fears.
What I have found is a lack of option for certain people (gay. Characters hav been so limited (with the exception of mass effect 2/3 for female characters )). Having characters limited kinda helps In a way (even with the example of Aveline who can be flirted with but not romanced).
IMO, having everyone Bi is just lazy writing.

[daveliam]

Is Dorian's story solely about that, though? Is that all he is?

Of course not. But it is a major part of his story and it's unique to being gay.

People seem to confuse having their sexuality be important with having their sexuality be their defining trait. Dorian's sexuality shapes him as a character. He's they way he is in part because of his sexuality and his father's reaction to it. But he's more than just that.

The story that Gaider wanted to tell, however, was around his sexuality. Could they have written a similar story where he was bisexual? Sure. In my opinion, it would have lost something though.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Meh...is better then 4Chan at least, where if your not a straight male you better be prepared for alot of homophobic or sexist abuse

Its more about not expecting to be treated differently over there i find. i know a load of women who go there and moved to 8chan.

[Fandango]

As to why it's a big deal.  To me, it makes a huge difference.  I want to see gay and lesbian characters in games.

Given the concerns you had about Inquisitions approach to characterisation prior to launch, I'm genuinely chuffed that you now see things that way. Just an aside - as a straight guy - I feel exactly the same way.

[EmpressEmmie]

Let's put it this way:

If there's no gender restrictions everyone can chose what they like - even those who wants Cassandra to be heterosexual.

And everyone is happy.

The entire defense of the current gender restrictions is oldfashoned and discriminating in every way. It is a game, not reality. A game is supposed to entertain you.

This post perfectly summarizes how I feel ...and my frustrations with the "gated" romance options. It's not real life, it's fantasy and when you pay for the fantasy (i.e. buy the game, and DLC, and expansion packs) ...you should be able to get what you pay for (i.e. the LI of your choice). IMHO - it's better to have the 4 un-gated characters like DA2 so that developers have the time and resources to focus on each one, creating deeper stories, allocating more lines for each VA to create those stories and draw the player in, plus taking time to ensure cut-scenes match models and don't glitch.

[Zwingtanz]

Is Dorian's story solely about that, though? Is that all he is?

That's what i feared when there were articles about "Bioware's first FULLY GAY" character. But, no.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Tbh, i just thought the female Inquisitor Cassandra rejection scene was weird, she repeatedly approves & smiles when the female PC flirts with her & then suddenly acts awkward about it like its a sudden thing thats been happening before saying no to any relationship, should have really said no in Haven IMO

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

but just because you want to boink cullen dose not mean you get to boink him.

the piont is this.

Yes its a game and about 50% of threads im DA2 were about how it was unrealistic haveing about 20 Bisexuals all randomly meeting. (Iknow we poofs all hang arround to gether thats not the point.) so the company capitualated and diversafied the cast.  

Look let meask why cant i frig Scarlet Johanson?  

[Isaidlunch]

I've come to like everyone having set sexualities, though I can't say Josephine/Iron Bull being bi was any more "realistic" than what we got with DA2. If anything I'd say DA2 handled bisexual romances a lot better.

[daveliam]

Given the concerns you had about Inquisitions approach to characterisation prior to launch, I'm genuinely chuffed that you now see things that way. Just an aside - as a straight guy - I feel exactly the same way.

 

Had to google "chuffed" just to make sure.....

 

Yeah, I just needed to see that they could do it fairly so I didn't get the short end of the straw again.  Which they did.  So I'm "chuffed" as well.

 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Agreed DA2 had a 10 year span to tell it though.

[Voragoras]

Tbh, i just thought the female Inquisitor Cassandra rejection scene was weird, she repeatedly approves & smiles when the female PC flirts with her & then suddenly acts awkward about it like its a sudden thing thats been happening before saying no to any relationship, should have really said no in Haven IMO

 

Yeah, this was pretty weird. I flirted with her a lot before I committed to Sera, and she gets the exact same dialogue and Approval changes as the M!Inquisitor, as well as her rejection scene being nigh on identical for both genders. The only different thing is that Cassandra comes back after she says she's not interested if you're playing as a male.

 

Very oddly written, imo. Cullen/Vivienne/etc. all shut you down pretty much immediately, with the exception of Dorian, who has a flirtatious personality anyway and his dialogue reflected that.