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[WildOrchid]

My one and only issue with LIs with a set sexuality is that the 'Straight female' always seems to be the main romance. Liara being the exception to this.

 

Cassandra, Morrigan, Miranda,Bastila etc all seem to be embedded in the story more and their romances feel more important to the story as a whole.

 

If BioWare can fix that, than I'm all for set sexuality, yes it's frustrating when I can't romance an LI I'd like too but sex sexualities adds depth to a character when it comes up, Sam Traynor's rejection of a Male Shep is a great example of this.

 

They proved my point yet again that the main straight female romance is always the most important to the plot. Sera being the lesbian only, she isn't that important and can get kicked out anytime. This pisses me off so much, you don't even know. We finally get a lesbian in DA and they go and make her "temporary". Ugh!

And don't tell me the lame excuse that "she can be annoying". Everyone can be annoying, i personally didn't find her annoying at all. Others would've loved to kick Viv out or even Blackwall (though you can do if you do his personal quest but still not like Sera where the option is right there always)

 

I see the same formula over and over again and i'm getting tired of this tbh. I'd like for once to see a "main" lesbian romance who can never get kicked out AND is important to the plot.

[Tamras1972]

Ah right. I find both characters (Leliana and Josie) pretty bland so didn't pay too much attention >.<. I quite liked thinking they had a little bit of a romp together, heh.

 

I rather enjoyed Leliana's company -- that or maybe I was forced into liking it as she was my only option in DA:O

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Bethany dies if you are a mage so ofc it wouldnt

Thats my point, if playing as a mage she never even mentions being with women sexually, is especially weird since she seems more emotionally interested in F!Hawke during the romance then M!Hawke but hardly talks about her attraction towards women

[Imryll]

I much prefer characters with set preferences, even if that means playing characters whose sexuality differs from my one or enjoying interesting characters in non-romantic ways. Needing to make NPCs malleable to player sexuality limits story-telling/immersion in ways I'd rather they weren't limited.

 

Also, word budget is not all. Dorian may have more words than Solas (I've no idea, Sartoz, whether this is true), but Solas' words are choice. ;-)

 

I also like that not all DAI romances include actual sex scenes. Varied pacing and degrees of graphicness are good. Sometimes leaving it to the player to decide just what's happened (Solas) or beginning to happen (Scout Harding!) is great.

[Tamras1972]

They proved my point yet again that the main straight female romance is always the most important to the plot. Sera being the lesbian only, she isn't that important and can get kicked out anytime. This pisses me off so much, you don't even know. We finally get a lesbian in DA and they go and make her "temporary". Ugh!

And don't tell me the lame excuse that "she can be annoying". Everyone can be annoying, i personally didn't find her annoying at all. Others would've loved to kick Viv out or even Blackwall (though you can do if you do his personal quest but still not like Sera where the option is right there always)

 

I enjoyed Viv's banters (whenever I can get banter working) -- especially with Bull.  I sent Blackwall to be with the rest of the Wardens.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I much prefered the Herosexual explanation for DA2 than the Everyone is Bi explanation. But David Gaider seemed to find the idea of Herosexuality offensive. I'm not sure why.

I can see why it was abandoned, though, given some of the specific companions they wanted to write.

[phantomrachie]

I *do* like the idea of having a sweet, uncomplicated, "traditional" romance, with a female character, but the way it's implemented, yeah, I wish they could have done *something* to show that Josephine likes women.  Even once the romance has started, I've been trying to find out if there's any dialogue that shows how her family feels about her romancing a woman...I mean, it doesn't have to be disapproval, maybe they're accepting, that would be nice to show too.  Does the man dueling the Inquisitor for Josephine's hand react differently if it's a female character?  That seems like an obvious place to put different dialogue based on gender.

 

As far as I know there is no difference with the duel. I'm conflicted about that.

 

On the one hand, I love that I got to be all romantic & dashing which may not have happened if the romance was different for female Inquisitors. On the other hand, it would be nice if there were some differences.

 

I mean Joesphine is the head of her family, I at the very least expected a conversation about who would carry on her family name if she didn't have children. I know she has siblings, but the oldest having kids can be important in lines of succession so I'd liked a reference to that.

 

They proved my point yet again that the main straight female romance is always the most important to the plot. Sera being the lesbian only, she isn't that important and can get kicked out anytime. This pisses me off so much, you don't even know. We finally get a lesbian in DA and they go and make her "temporary". Ugh!

And don't tell me the lame excuse that "she can be annoying". Everyone can be annoying, i personally didn't find her annoying at all. Others would've loved to kick Viv out or even Blackwall (though you can do if you do his personal quest but still not like Sera where the option is right there always)

 

I see the same formula over and over again and i'm getting tired of this tbh. I'd like for once to see a "main" lesbian romance who can never get kicked out AND is important to the plot.

 

I feel like Sera is the only one you can kick out at will, everyone else seems to only leave if their approval goes low enough or at a certain point in their personal quest.

 

I would love for a lesbian romance that is important to the plot & who can't leave. 

 

In fact I'd prefer if more romances felt tied more to the plot. In DA:O Morrigan & Alistair's seemed to interact more with the overall plot, in DA:I, out of 8 possible LIs Cassandra's seems to be the only one that is tied to the plot.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong though I've only romanced Josephine so far & I haven't finished yet, so this is an assumption based on the importance of Cassandra's personal quest is to the plot of DA:I.

[WildOrchid]

I feel like Sera is the only one you can kick out at will, everyone else seems to only leave if their approval goes low enough or at a certain point in their personal quest.

 

I saw a vid of Dorian with low approval and he says he won't leave until the enemy is defeated. You only can choose if he stays until then or leaves now.

 

At least they stay with you until the enemy is defeated, even on low approval. Sera? Lolnope, you kick her out anytime you want.

[syllogi]

I much prefer characters with set preferences, even if that means playing characters whose sexuality differs from my one or enjoying interesting characters in non-romantic ways. Needing to make NPCs malleable to player sexuality limits story-telling/immersion in ways I'd rather they weren't limited.

 

Not to pick on you specifically, but seeing this general sentiment repeated ad nauseum, about characters like Isabela, Anders, Merrill, and Fenris, who have distinct personalities despite not explicitly telling you what exact percentage gay/straight they are, gets really old and feels like straight and or homosexual players have found a roundabout way to express their discomfort with bisexual characters without saying so out loud.  Maybe that's not the intention, but when this is repeated again and again, with no actual examples of how Fenris and Merrill were ruined by not having set preferences, I don't know what else to think. 

 

And then I get to play DA:I, where it would have meant SO much to me to be able to romance Cassandra as a female character, but I'm told that it's more "realistic" and better writing that my only choices are Sera and Josephine...yet Sera never, ever talks about what being a lesbian means as a city elf, and a dalish elf who romances Sera has nothing to say about her clan's opinion of her being with a woman, and Josephine apparently never seems to acknowledge or talk about her bisexuality...

 

Why is this better?  How is my real life sexuality being represented by these characters?   How are they more relatable, or better written than any of the DA2 love interests?

[DaemionMoadrin]

What I dislike both in RL and in games is when people define themselves just through their sexuality. It makes for one dimensional characters. If my companions in the game would mention their sexual orientation all the time, then it would annoy me. I did not take them along because I want to get laid and outside of the background for Dorian's quest it really isn't my business what they like or don't like.

[Namea]

I like it this way. Don't get me wrong, I loved the way DA2 handled it and at first I was stoked but after reading some other commentary my views changed. I understood how it was important to some people for them to be more realistic. To me, as a bisexual woman, it's the same as crushing on a girl only to realize that she only likes the sausage, ya dig? 

 

Personally I now prefer it this way. While sexuality does not define a person, it is a trait that helps to round a character from flat to 3 dimensional. If all characters had no flaws, stereotype personalities and lived only for what the inquisitor wanted they wouldn't be as engaging or meaningful. Sexuality figures into that as well. With a small sample group such as the 8 potential romances we have, the bioware team had to find a way to not only reflect what a realistic breakdown of preferences and personalities would be but also to give some representation to those who so desperately need it in the video game community. 

 

While this does mean stretching the ratio a bit at times it also has created a wonderfully inclusive cast of truly engaging characters. I wouldn't change any of them for the world (even Vivienne as much as I hate her because in life you won't always like everyone you work with.)

 

Edit: Also pardon my atrocious grammar. I've just woken up and I have yet to obtain caffeine. 

[Mar]

what i do not like, is that playing as a straight male your choices are religous zealot who tries to convert with a stick up her ass, and Josi, who i just find boring... That is just me though <.<

[LeBurns]

Not to pick on you specifically, but seeing this general sentiment repeated ad nauseum, about characters like Isabela, Anders, Merrill, and Fenris, who have distinct personalities despite not explicitly telling you what exact percentage gay/straight they are, gets really old and feels like straight and or homosexual players have found a roundabout way to express their discomfort with bisexual characters without saying so out loud.  Maybe that's not the intention, but when this is repeated again and again, with no actual examples of how Fenris and Merrill were ruined by not having set preferences, I don't know what else to think. 

 

And then I get to play DA:I, where it would have meant SO much to me to be able to romance Cassandra as a female character, but I'm told that it's more "realistic" and better writing that my only choices are Sera and Josephine...yet Sera never, ever talks about what being a lesbian means as a city elf, and a dalish elf who romances Sera has nothing to say about her clan's opinion of her being with a woman, and Josephine apparently never seems to acknowledge or talk about her bisexuality...

 

Why is this better?  How is my real life sexuality being represented by these characters?   How are they more relatable, or better written than any of the DA2 love interests?

Well what you are saying to me is that the personalities need more work, and I agree.  But removing all restrictions so they are all just vanilla would be the opposite of giving them more personality and depth.

[Unnamed]

All right ... I do not care but I do not like homosexual options in the game. I never will. I mean a male main character can jump on Cullen?? This is not realistic. Or a qunari main character with a giant axe can be gay? Come ooon...

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

As far as I know there is no difference with the duel. I'm conflicted about that.
 
On the one hand, I love that I got to be all romantic & dashing which may not have happened if the romance was different for female Inquisitors. On the other hand, it would be nice if there were some differences.
 
I mean Joesphine is the head of her family, I at the very least expected a conversation about who would carry on her family name if she didn't have children. I know she has siblings, but the oldest having kids can be important in lines of succession so I'd liked a reference to that.

Really seemed to me that Josephine's romance was centered around being a male human PC, felt strange to me that someone so obsessed with making her family respectable in Orlais again happily told my female mage elf she loved her & then made out with her publicly in the countries capital even tho it would be seen as a scandal as a human noble/elf relationship

[DaemionMoadrin]

Really seemed to me that Josephine's romance was centered around being a male human PC, felt strange to me that someone so obsessed with making her family respectable in Orlais again happily told my female mage elf she loved her & then made out with her publicly in the countries capital even tho it would be seen as a scandal as a human noble/elf relationship

 

I am sure that if the population of Kirkwall can overlook two lesbian apostates, one of them an elf, living amongst them in Hightown, then the nobles in Orlais can surely look the other way for the Inquisitor and her noble lover.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

All right ... I do not care but I do not like homosexual options in the game. I never will. I mean a male main character can jump on Cullen?? This is not realistic. Or a qunari main character with a giant axe can be gay? Come ooon...

[DaemionMoadrin]

 

Yep, bonafide grade A obvious troll. And that's the positive interpretation... because if he was serious, then it would be pitiful.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I am sure that if the population of Kirkwall can overlook two lesbian apostates, one of them an elf, living amongst them in Hightown, then the nobles in Orlais can surely look the other way for the Inquisitor and her noble lover.

Weren't the nobles in hightown outraged about the Hawke/Merrill relationship but they couldn't really do anything since Hawke was too powerful by that point, would probably be worse in Orlais where elves are seen as little better then animals

[Tamras1972]

All right ... I do not care but I do not like homosexual options in the game. I never will. I mean a male main character can jump on Cullen?? This is not realistic. Or a qunari main character with a giant axe can be gay? Come ooon.

 

So...you dont like to see male/male...but you didnt mention disliking seeing 2 women together.

[Kantr]

Thats my point, if playing as a mage she never even mentions being with women sexually, is especially weird since she seems more emotionally interested in F!Hawke during the romance then M!Hawke but hardly talks about her attraction towards women

Ah gotcha. That is odd

 

I much prefered the Herosexual explanation for DA2 than the Everyone is Bi explanation. But David Gaider seemed to find the idea of Herosexuality offensive. I'm not sure why.

I can see why it was abandoned, though, given some of the specific companions they wanted to write.

Because it assumes they have no personality or interests until the hero shows up

[DaemionMoadrin]

Weren't the nobles in hightown outraged about the Hawke/Merrill relationship but they couldn't really do anything since Hawke was too powerful by that point, would probably be worse in Orlais where elves are seen as little better then animals

 

They weren't happy about Merrill but I don't think any of them were outraged. Except perhaps the few into whose gardens she wandered without permission.

 

I do agree with your point, I just wanted to poke a little fun at the Dragon Age franchise.

[Imryll]

Not to pick on you specifically, but seeing this general sentiment repeated ad nauseum, about characters like Isabela, Anders, Merrill, and Fenris, who have distinct personalities despite not explicitly telling you what exact percentage gay/straight they are, gets really old and feels like straight and or homosexual players have found a roundabout way to express their discomfort with bisexual characters without saying so out loud.  Maybe that's not the intention, but when this is repeated again and again, with no actual examples of how Fenris and Merrill were ruined by not having set preferences, I don't know what else to think.

So long as you realize that "I don't know what else to think" is a statement about you ...  The question isn't whether specific characters were spoiled by being herosexual. The question is rather "is it desirable to limit the stories that can be told by requiring that any romanceable character be available to any PC."

 

The inclusion of actual bisexual characters, e.g. Josie and  Iron Bull, is irrelevant to this discussion and not something to which I've expressed any objection.

[phantomrachie]

I saw a vid of Dorian with low approval and he says he won't leave until the enemy is defeated. You only can choose if he stays until then or leaves now.

 

At least they stay with you until the enemy is defeated, even on low approval. Sera? Lolnope, you kick her out anytime you want.

 

ugh really? Sera is the only one you can kick out at will. I wonder what the justification is for that. I mean I can understand an Inquisitor who disagrees with the whole 'Red Jenny' thing wanting her gone, but you could say the same for any of the companions.

[rda]

I do think its odd, though, that Bioware has gone back to set sexualities because it's more realistic, yet a lot of the LIs completely ignore your race. With how the elves, dwarves, and Qunari are thought of, it makes zero sense for that not to even be mentioned in a Josephine, Cassandra, or Dorian romance.

Like someone mentioned earlier, Josephine is trying to rebuild her family. How is it going to effect her to be seen in a relationship with a female elf? You could say the same things about the other romances, where the race at least merited a mention.