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[Weltall]

I had no issues with all the LIs in DA2 swinging both ways. For the most part, as far as I was concerned, if I didn't pursue those dialog options, their preferences were undefined and didn't matter. The exception being Isabella and Anders, who were a little more forthcoming with their preferences, regardless of if I attempted to romance them or not. Anders was the only one who bothered me a little because if you're nice to him, he starts making passes at you and you have to flat out reject him, and you lose approval points because of it. It felt a little like it was being crammed down my throat. Otherwise, it didn't matter. He had a male lover. Didn't care. Isabella was CLEARLY interested in men (and generally undisclosed if she was into women unless you romanced her as a female). But that didn't bother me either. Unless I was romancing her and everyone in Kirkwall "knew" my girl... but that's a separate issue.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Like someone mentioned earlier, Josephine is trying to rebuild her family. How is it going to effect her to be seen in a relationship with a female elf? You could say the same things about the other romances, where the race at least merited a mention.

 

Look at Vivi. Emotions don't enter into those kinds of relationships. Josie will find a nice noble, marry him and have kids while spending all her time with her true love, your female elven Inquisitor. I bet half of the orlesian court would jump at the opportunity to connect themselves to the Inquisition that way.

[Weltall]

I do think its odd, though, that Bioware has gone back to set sexualities because it's more realistic, yet a lot of the LIs completely ignore your race. With how the elves, dwarves, and Qunari are thought of, it makes zero sense for that not to even be mentioned in a Josephine, Cassandra, or Dorian romance.

Like someone mentioned earlier, Josephine is trying to rebuild her family. How is it going to effect her to be seen in a relationship with a female elf? You could say the same things about the other romances, where the race at least merited a mention.

I can agree with that. If they want the romances to be "realistic", there's probably a few larger issues to address than gender options.

[syllogi]

So long as you realize that "I don't know what else to think" is a statement about you ...  The question isn't whether specific characters were spoiled by being herosexual. The question is rather "is it desirable to limit the stories that can be told by requiring that any romanceable character be available to any PC."

 

The inclusion of actual bisexual characters, e.g. Josie and  Iron Bull, is irrelevant to this discussion and not something to which I've expressed any objection.

 

Yeah, it's a statement that I do feel sad that people seem to feel that the DA2 characters are worse off for being effectively, if not defined as, bisexual, and somehow many players find it lacking and unsatisfying.  When you've been told for most of your life that you're not good enough because of your sexuality, and then you get representation that is deemed not good enough, it's hard not to take it personally.  I will freely admit that it's something that hits close to home.

 

I don't think the DA2 love interests were limited as much by their sexual orientations as how companion stories were doled out in DA2, but that's a story for another thread.

 

Josephine (and Iron Bull indirectly) are relevant to this thread because the OP isn't all that thrilled by Josephine's romance, and would rather romance Cassandra with a female character.  I've just been talking about my own experiences with the same sex romances in this game that are available to female Inquisitors, and I feel that the supposed representation that came from "set" sexualities is pretty much non-existent for Sera and Josephine, so I'm agreeing with the OP that Cassandra could have been bisexual and pretty nothing about her story needed to be changed, if that's how they're treating female same sex love interests.

[phantomrachie]

I do think its odd, though, that Bioware has gone back to set sexualities because it's more realistic, yet a lot of the LIs completely ignore your race. With how the elves, dwarves, and Qunari are thought of, it makes zero sense for that not to even be mentioned in a Josephine, Cassandra, or Dorian romance.

Like someone mentioned earlier, Josephine is trying to rebuild her family. How is it going to effect her to be seen in a relationship with a female elf? You could say the same things about the other romances, where the race at least merited a mention.

 

The thing is BioWare didn't go back to sex sexuality b/c it was more realistic, it was b/c they could have more LIs. The DA2 they only had the resources for 4 so they created 4 bisexual LIs as a compromise since people felt the LI choice in DA:O was lacking. They always said if they could have more LIs then they wouldn't have everyone be bisexual again.

 

Look at Vivi. Emotions don't enter into those kinds of relationships. Josie will find a nice noble, marry him and have kids while spending all her time with her true love, your female elven Inquisitor. I bet half of the orlesian court would jump at the opportunity to connect themselves to the Inquisition that way.

 

While this is a great point, I'd like to have this come up in conversion.

 

Josie worrying about her family & the Inquisitor accepting that one day she may have to marry a man. The romance could be the exact same with a male & female Inquisitor apart from this one bit.

 

Josie could talk about marriage with a male Inquisitor & the possibility that she would have to on day marry a man with the female Inquisitor. Or a Human with an Inquisitor of any other race.

 

Just this one touch would add so much to the romance.

[stonerbishop]

Few things.

It's made clear that leliana/Josephine is very much a sisterly relationship. Sisters, BFF sort of thing.

Second. This might be spoilers

Spoiler

the empress had a female elf lover, so not as big a deal

Third. Sera mentions her sexual it if you try to romance as male. Something like: we have too much in common. We both like women

[DaemionMoadrin]

Few things.

It's made clear that leliana/Josephine is very much a sisterly relationship. Sisters, BFF sort of thing.

Second. This might be spoilers [/spoiler] the empress had a female elf lover, so not as big a deal [/spoiler]

Third. Sera mentions her sexual it if you try to romance as male. Something like: we have too much in common. We both like women

 

1. I haven't finished the game quite yet but Leliana/Josephine is anything but clear to me. You can interpret their conversations either way.

 

2. Hot.

 

3. I got "You're not my thing because you have a thing." ^^

[Sartoz]

I had no issues with all the LIs in DA2 ...

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Big Snip

Did you not get the feeling that there was more intense dialogue between characters in DA2 compared with the random dialogue in DAI?  A possible reason for an attachment / care for a character?

[Tamras1972]

Few things.

It's made clear that leliana/Josephine is very much a sisterly relationship. Sisters, BFF sort of thing.

Second. This might be spoilers [/spoiler] the empress had a female elf lover, so not as big a deal [/spoiler]

Third. Sera mentions her sexual it if you try to romance as male. Something like: we have too much in common. We both like women

 

oh, maybe its worth creating a male character now and try Sera just to see that. just for laugh.  

[phantomrachie]

1. I haven't finished the game quite yet but Leliana/Josephine is anything but clear to me. You can interpret their conversations either way.

 

2. Hot.

 

3. I got "You're not my thing because you have a thing." ^^

 

1. To me it feels like they just went partying together. If I didn't know their sexuality, I don't think it would come across as anything else

2. It is a big deal. In Last Flight it almost loses Celene her throne.

3. That line is amazing. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Second. This might be spoilers [/spoiler] the empress had a female elf lover, so not as big a deal [/spoiler]

Thats not really true, Leliana even says that if people knew about Celene & Briala's true relationship it would destroy Celene's court, the nobles in Orlais are very anti-elf

[DaemionMoadrin]

3. That line is amazing. 

 

She said some more but it was late at night and I don't remember all of it. I only flirted with her by accident in the first place during the conversation about pranks. Plus, I'm already romancing Cassandra (and regretting it).

[Dreamer]

I wish all men were gay. I hate being restricted.

 

[Weltall]

Did you not get the feeling that there was more intense dialogue between characters in DA2 compared with the random dialogue in DAI?  A possible reason for an attachment / care for a character?

In general, I liked the dialog between the characters in DA2 better than either of the other DA games. But I'm not sure that their sexual preferences played into that either way, except in the case of Isabella whose promiscuity is basically part of her character.

[rda]

The thing is BioWare didn't go back to sex sexuality b/c it was more realistic, it was b/c they could have more LIs. The DA2 they only had the resources for 4 so they created 4 bisexual LIs as a compromise since people felt the LI choice in DA:O was lacking. They always said if they could have more LIs then they wouldn't have everyone be bisexual again.
 

 
While this is a great point, I'd like to have this come up in conversion.
 
Josie worrying about her family & the Inquisitor accepting that one day she may have to marry a man. The romance could be the exact same with a male & female Inquisitor apart from this one bit.
 
Josie could talk about marriage with a male Inquisitor & the possibility that she would have to on day marry a man with the female Inquisitor. Or a Human with an Inquisitor of any other race.
 
Just this one touch would add so much to the romance.

I agree, but before you committed to the romance. Otherwise, that would be rage inducing among players.

[Kantr]

I wish all men were gay. I hate being restricted.

 

Heh. Not something you usually see someone saying on this forum

[Imryll]

Josephine (and Iron Bull indirectly) are relevant to this thread because the OP isn't all that thrilled by Josephine's romance, and would rather romance Cassandra with a female character.

In your post that I quoted earlier you said, "... gets really old and feels like straight and or homosexual players have found a roundabout way to express their discomfort with bisexual characters without saying so out loud." In my reply I explained why I don't believe this to be the case. To argue against herosexuality is not to argue against the inclusion of bisexual characters. It's not even to argue against the need for "better" bisexual characters. I think it's great for folks to suggest ways in which any of the romances could be made more satisfying. Interestingly, most of the suggestions I've seen wouldn't make them more "one size fits all" but make them more responsive to who the PC is. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Ah gotcha. That is odd

Because it assumes they have no personality or interests until the hero shows up

No it doesn't. It merely allows that those interests are contingent upon the characteristics of the hero.

So in worlds where the hero is male, the companions are all attracted to men. In worlds where the hero is female, the companions are all attracted to women.

When you create a character, you're basically choosing among possible universes.

[stonerbishop]

1. I haven't finished the game quite yet but Leliana/Josephine is anything but clear to me. You can interpret their conversations either way.

2. Hot.

3. I got "You're not my thing because you have a thing." ^^

In later convos with jo (maybe only during romance, not sure) she flat out states that she is like a sister.


3. Maybe which line you get depends on your approval with her.

[Beanstalk]

Heh. Not something you usually see someone saying on this forum the internet 

(fify)

...and for good reason.

 

I'm actually pretty impressed that there hasn't been more trolling (so far *knocks on wood*).

[Dreamer]

(fify)

...and for good reason.

 

I'm actually pretty impressed that there hasn't been more trolling (so far *knocks on wood*).

 

Wait. You think I'm trolling?

[stonerbishop]

Thats not really true, Leliana even says that if people knew about Celene & Briala's true relationship it would destroy Celene's court, the nobles in Orlais are very anti-elf

I must have missed that line. I figure with how proud they are to be someone's mistress, it was all good

[iamthespark]

As a personal preference, I'd like to see player-sexual LIs, but I would like to know that attaining a romance is more difficult.  Just because everyone is available to you as an option, it shouldn't be a guarantee that they will end up so. 

[Realyn]

I don't see the problem with Josie being with a female Elf regarding her family. Yes, if it were just some random city Elf like Sera, there'd be a problem. But as Inquisitor, that 'lowly Elf' would have more political, military and social pull then most rival families combined. If anything, it would pretty much guarantee her family's fortune despite the social stigma on Elves.

 

Someone who toppled the Mage rebellion (or saved/conscripted the entire Templar Order), slaughtered countless monstrosities in the form of demons, darkspawn and red Templars while simultaniously gaining a good chunk of Thedas as allies/friends/believers would have little to fear from noble families if it came down to it.

 

Besides, my female Elf became a KE. All assassination attempts are by definition foiled as she's immortal.

 

 

...

 

 

Damnit, I really wanted to be able to play through this game as a greedy, evil, manipulative she-devil.

[rda]

She said some more but it was late at night and I don't remember all of it. I only flirted with her by accident in the first place during the conversation about pranks. Plus, I'm already romancing Cassandra (and regretting it).

Really? Why? Just curious.