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[stonerbishop]

Orlais doesn't like mages either but Viv and Morrigan do alright

[DaemionMoadrin]

Really? Why? Just curious.

 

I'm not into any of my companions. I can't connect to them, I barely care about them. Sera annoys me most of the time and while I do try to give her a chance, she then pulls stupid crap like trying to prank my advisors. Cassandra's romance scene was ... awkward for me. I don't like poetry at all. And to be honest, I only started flirting with her to see how BioWare handled it this time, not because I was actually interested in her. Later I'll help her become the Divine, that's a good way to end the relationship.

 

I think the entire game is too serious. DA:O and DA2 had hilarious party banter, cut scenes and dialogue. I guess being able to make me laugh is a requirement for my partners.

[Realyn]

Orlais doesn't like mages either but Viv and Morrigan do alright

 

Politicians don't like anyone, but suck up to anyone with power regardless of who they are. Both in reality and in fantasy land

[rda]

I think being a female with Josie should be addressed because don't most nobility want heirs? Maybe her family wouldn't per se object, but it would be an issue that should be addressed. She already says in game that none of her siblings are suitable for managing the family business, so...

And Cassandra, if romanced, can have an open relationship with a dwarf, Qunari, or elf, which should give the conservative elements of the Chantry a wee bit of a pause before electing her. (Same thing with Leliana, now that I think of it, except for the Qunari option.). Then again, there were so many bizarre things about electing the Divine, I don't even know why I'm bothering to think about this one issue.

It's like people in Thedas are biased against other races except when it would be inconvenient for the PC.

[DaemionMoadrin]

It's like people in Thedas are biased against other races except when it would be inconvenient for the PC.

 

That's not really new. Remember playing a city elf in Origins? Up until Ostagar you had to struggle with the racism, afterwards you were "the Warden" and it pretty much never came up again. The whole knife ear business really started with DA2 and now with DA:I. Although... only on the side, never featured prominently.

[Rekkampum]

I really dont want to play male character...but I want to try wooing Cassandra.  I already tried same-sex with Josephine (which is sweet but a little boring) and I can barely understand Sera so Cassandra is the only other female option. 

 

I doubt bioware will consider lifting the gender restriction I can still suggest it.  I hope someone creates a mod for this soon. 

The race restriction doesnt bother me much as I usually only play female elf or human. 

 

Well, I may still play male character but I'd probably go for Iron Bull or Dorian. I may try Qunari male coz the horns are just so...

 

I wouldn't consider it a "restriction" so much as how that character views themselves in terms or orientation. The only game I could see having that kind of "restriction" would be the MMO, but that's another thread and topic.

 

This isn't anything new; BW's done it before; the ME franchise has had them(not species specific though) and the previous DA titles did also. I think it's a breath of fresh air because the Playersexual element kinda ruins immersion. Plus I'm sure the mod community is already developing a workaround that'll be out in some time.

[Beanstalk]

Wait. You think I'm trolling?

What? No, not at all. Just a comment about internet "culture" at large.

[Dreamer]

What? No, not at all. Just a comment about internet "culture" at large.

 

Okay. That's good.

[EccentricCat]

I really dont want to play male character...but I want to try wooing Cassandra.  I already tried same-sex with Josephine (which is sweet but a little boring) and I can barely understand Sera so Cassandra is the only other female option. 

 

I doubt bioware will consider lifting the gender restriction I can still suggest it.  I hope someone creates a mod for this soon. 

The race restriction doesnt bother me much as I usually only play female elf or human. 

 

Well, I may still play male character but I'd probably go for Iron Bull or Dorian. I may try Qunari male coz the horns are just so...

 

 

Personally, I find it refreshing when a game goes against stereotypes.  It's nice to see a female warrior melt at the sight of a bare chested man. (As a player, I don't find Cullen all that attractive in a Ser Hawtness way at all.  But, if there were a male character who is a pleasant mix of Varric and Blackwall 

-clears throat- That's besides the point.)  

 

And besides, this (I couldn't have said it better myself).

 

I wouldn't consider it a "restriction" so much as how that character views themselves in terms or orientation. The only game I could see having that kind of "restriction" would be the MMO, but that's another thread and topic.

 

This isn't anything new; BW's done it before; the ME franchise has had them(not species specific though) and the previous DA titles did also. I think it's a breath of fresh air because the Playersexual element kinda ruins immersion. Plus I'm sure the mod community is already developing a workaround that'll be out in some time.

 

In reply to the various posts wondering why Josephine doesn't talk about her sexuality, perhaps she doesn't feel the need to.  In regards to the possible political ramifications, maybe she isn't all that worried about it because she might plan on staying with the Inquisition instead of going back.  Just speculation and completely my opinion, of course.

 

Spoiler

If I can remember correctly, I had my female Inquisitor ask her about it and I believe Josephine did say something about staying with the Inquisition; I'll have to double check this.  It is early in the romance though.

 

 

In my opinion, the romance options are just fine the way they are.  Though, I will agree that I would also like to see more same-gender LI's have a bigger part to play in the plot other than being side/support characters.  

 

(There are a lot of tropes and stereotypes I feel games and movies need to move away from, but that's another topic for another thread.)

[Putok]

It seems sensible for different characters to have different sexual orientations. It just feels unrealistic for every single character to be bi.

[Efvie]

I personally prefer the player sexual approach. For me, their sexuality doesn't 'make' them as characters. Dorian would still be Dorian if he was straight, bi or whatever. His sexuality isn't a defining feature about him, just his story. In DA:O I don't think of Alistair as 'straight Alistair' or Anders as 'bi Anders', they're just Alistair & Anders and would be the same whichever gender they romanced.

 

I vehemently disagree. For Dorian, his orientation is a character-defining trait.

 

And that is the only time when a character should be gender- or race-gated. In a game set in the modern day, orientation would be a defining trait. In Thedas, where nobody bats an eyelash, it’s not.

 

Writing  15 differently gated characters will probably end up in far poorer characterization than 4 ungated.

 

And while it’s nice if you can spend 500 hours playing a game, and don’t mind playing the opposite gender or species or whatever, many can’t. So, if their options are limited and nothing happens to feel right… it reduces their enjoyment considerably.

[am0n]

 

I vehemently disagree. For Dorian, his orientation is a character-defining trait.

 

And that is the only time when a character should be gender- or race-gated. In a game set in the modern day, orientation would be a defining trait. In Thedas, where nobody bats an eyelash, it’s not.

 

Writing  15 differently gated characters will probably end up in far poorer characterization than 4 ungated.

 

And while it’s nice if you can spend 500 hours playing a game, and don’t mind playing the opposite gender or species or whatever, many can’t. So, if their options are limited and nothing happens to feel right… it reduces their enjoyment considerably.

 

I usually play a game once.  Not being able to experience content (a romance) with a character that I genuinely enjoy as an NPC because I picked "the wrong gender" reduces my enjoyment considerably.

 

As someone else said; I'd rather a smaller number of options, but player-sexual and well written for both genders, over a multitude of options that are gender/race gated.

[mLIQUID]

Yeah, idk... I'd pounce on Sera if that were the case. What would be more of a positive update would be to gain access to casual relationships. I mean I come back to skyhold... full of loot lots of things to do... I wouldn't mind a round or 2 with morrigan. Side boobs kept me inspired all through DA origins.

[Unnamed]

No troll. I do not discriminate gays /even in games/ but I do not like them and I have the right to. If you do not like cucumbers does this make you a kind of anti vegetable troll ? If you tell me that I cannot express the fact I do not like gays, then you discriminate me. Of course I never go to some gay couple who kiss, shouting "I do not like you! ", of course I would not do this. But I do not like them and many people do not. This means I do not wish to see them in games but since they are included, I just play the game and do not pay attention. It would be the same with people who do not like the levelling system. They do not enjoy it but they play the game nonetheless. So, for me it is a great RPG. But people who abuse and twist the talks about human rights are stupid.

[MiyoKit]

 

I vehemently disagree. For Dorian, his orientation is a character-defining trait.

 

And that is the only time when a character should be gender- or race-gated. In a game set in the modern day, orientation would be a defining trait. In Thedas, where nobody bats an eyelash, it’s not.

 

Yeah I don't get that at all. I don't think his sexuality is important at all when I talk to him, get to know him etc: He would be Dorian with or without being gay. The only thing it effects, for me, is his relationship with his parents. When he's in my group, I don't think 'I'm going to bring the gay mage today'. He's just Dorian and always would be.

[DaemionMoadrin]

No troll. I do not discriminate gays /even in games/ but I do not like them and I have the right to. If you do not like cucumbers does this make you a kind of anti vegetable troll ? If you tell me that I cannot express the fact I do not like gays, then you discriminate me. Of course I never go to some gay couple who kiss, shouting "I do not like you! ", of course I would not do this. But I do not like them and many people do not. This means I do not wish to see them in games but since they are included, I just play the game and do not pay attention. It would be the same with people who do not like the levelling system. They do not enjoy it but they play the game nonetheless. So, for me it is a great RPG. But people who abuse and twist the talks about human rights are stupid.

 

Ok, let's make a test to see if this is true. Let's replace gay with black in your post and then you tell me your statements wouldn't be racist. Notice anything?

 

Discrimination is action that denies social participation or human rights to categories of people based on prejudice. This includes treatment of an individual or group based on their actual or perceived membership in a certain group or social category, "in a way that is worse than the way people are usually treated". It involves the group's initial reaction or interaction, influencing the individual's actual behavior towards the group or the group leader, restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to another group, leading to the exclusion of the individual or entities based on logical or irrational decision making.

 

You are discriminating because you are making general blanket statements about a group. You don't like them and don't want anything to do with them. That's exclusion. You are prejudiced.

 

Btw... cucumbers do not have human rights. Slight difference, you see?

[Taura-Tierno]

I thought the "Hawkesexual" (or just plainly bisexual) LIs in DA2 worked just fine. There were four LIs. All could be romances by any Hawke. Was fine. 

This game has eight love interests. I love that there's a wide variety of different types of romances and characters. Some are more casual. Some are deep. Some people only like one gender. Some don't care either way. That all feels very good to me. For instance, I've heard a lot of good things about Dorian's story, dealing with his family and their view on homosexuality, etc. That could never be done with a character that isn't gay. 

I think it's done well in Inquisition; variety, adds to the characters, etc. I wouldn't mind if they revisited DA2's way in a future game, but I don't think it's necessary.

[10K]

I wouldn't mind not having any romance in the game at all. Unpopular opinion, I know.

I'm with you on this one. Personally I'm just tired of threads poping up complaining about the romance choices themselves, or the number of romances for each gender. I would rather BW focused more on the PC, the main story, or even combat. Only romance I ever cared about in a BW game was Jack's. Most interesting character BW have ever written.

[MrIsidor]

Like most things, there's both pros and cons with either option. I have nothing against the "herosexuality" of the DA:2 companions, yet I have no complaints about the gated sexuality for companions in DA:O or DA:I either. In DA:I I find the defined sexuality of Dorian and Sera adding to their character. For Dorian it's a part of his story and personal quest and for Sera it's part of her personality, making comments about women you hear (straight) men say all the time, leaving you with no doubt what her preference is.

 

But if I have to choose I think I'd rather go with having some gated romances and not only gated for gender, but for race too. Not everyone is for everyone. It may suck but that's life. To make it good and offer something for everyone it would require a rather wide selection of possible LI:s though and as mentioned quantity may cause quality to suffer, depending on the resources available.

[Namea]

No troll. I do not discriminate gays /even in games/ but I do not like them and I have the right to. If you do not like cucumbers does this make you a kind of anti vegetable troll ? If you tell me that I cannot express the fact I do not like gays, then you discriminate me. Of course I never go to some gay couple who kiss, shouting "I do not like you! ", of course I would not do this. But I do not like them and many people do not. This means I do not wish to see them in games but since they are included, I just play the game and do not pay attention. It would be the same with people who do not like the levelling system. They do not enjoy it but they play the game nonetheless. So, for me it is a great RPG. But people who abuse and twist the talks about human rights are stupid.

 

Well at least you're a polite bigot which is more than I can say for most.

I'm not going to bother changing your mind on gays or how you view yourself even. Odds are if you've come this far in your life and still have that opinion no one is going to change it. 

 

Just know that however polite you are about it you have chosen (Yes CHOSEN. No one is forced to dislike someone for being who they are.) to be the kind of person that just a few decades ago would have said that blacks should use a separate bathroom. You are the kind of person who would have done nothing as your jewish neighbours were taken from their homes and never returned because "I don't like them. I'd never harass them outright but I don't like them."

 

People who have chosen that route should be seen, not heard. We don't need your voice in this world because you are the antithesis of change, progress and respect for your fellow man. 

[syllogi]

No troll. I do not discriminate gays /even in games/ but I do not like them and I have the right to. If you do not like cucumbers does this make you a kind of anti vegetable troll ? If you tell me that I cannot express the fact I do not like gays, then you discriminate me. Of course I never go to some gay couple who kiss, shouting "I do not like you! ", of course I would not do this. But I do not like them and many people do not. This means I do not wish to see them in games but since they are included, I just play the game and do not pay attention. It would be the same with people who do not like the levelling system. They do not enjoy it but they play the game nonetheless. So, for me it is a great RPG. But people who abuse and twist the talks about human rights are stupid.

 

Other people already have addressed the ways you're wrong, but just so you know, you can easily erase all traces of gay from DA:I:

 

Make sure Leliana romanced a male Warden or nobody when importing from Dragon Age Keep.

Ignore the mysterious arrow in Val Royeaux, you'll never even have to see Sera, much less turn her down.

Ignore Krem in Haven, turn down Iron Bull if/when you see him on the Storm Coast.

Do Champions of the Just, turn down Dorian when he wants to join.

Since Josephine is apparently playersexual, and you don't have to flirt with her anyway, you can ignore her.  

 

There you go!  Bioware didn't forget about catering to people who hate gays!

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Other people already have addressed the ways you're wrong, but just so you know, you can easily erase all traces of gay from DA:I:
 
Make sure Leliana romanced a male Warden or nobody when importing from Dragon Age Keep.
Ignore the mysterious arrow in Val Royeaux, you'll never even have to see Sera, much less turn her down.
Ignore Krem in Haven, turn down Iron Bull if/when you see him on the Storm Coast.
Do Champions of the Just, turn down Dorian when he wants to join.
Since Josephine is apparently playersexual, and you don't have to flirt with her anyway, you can ignore her.  
 
There you go!  Bioware didn't forget about catering to people who hate gays!

Abit sad how easy it is to pretty much get rid of all the LGBT content in the game

[wright1978]

Personally i'm massively in favour of the DA2 approach. Felt the romances suffered in inquisition from the need for expanded numbers required to deal with all the needless gating. Any small opportunities it provided weren't in any way worth the cost.

[AlexMBrennan]

Pandering to the player like that undermines characterization

Yet having a given female character be interested in the hero no matter how much of a dick the hero is being is completely realistic.

 

At the end of the day, there is a very good chance that two given people are going to be romantically incompatible, and arbitrarily picking sex as the only factor to implement in your game is, well, arbitrary. 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I'd like for once to see a "main" lesbian romance who can never get kicked out AND is important to the plot.

Id like something different like that but it'll probably never happen for fear of "they're pushing the gay agenda in my face" backlash, will likely continue the tradition of "straight female as main Li" & LGBT romances being optional, especially the lesbian characters who seem to get the worst representation in each game such as Leliana's F/F romance which was ignored & had less content, Traynor who had the lest content of anyone & Sera being reduced to a comedy character for the most part who can be kicked out at anytime while everyone else needs low approval 1st