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As much as I would LOVE this in games, I know that there are quite a few people who don't care for romance in Dragon Age and wouldn't appreciate having to deal with it being sprung on them.  I remember waaay back when people were upset that Leliana "ninja romanced" them out of nowhere.  My guess is that they're trying to prevent that kind of outcry again.

She did? How... I've gotta play Origins again...



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Because like most fantasy rpgs, this one magically appeared out of thin air to cater to my...I mean our, universal preferences. It's not about what the writer had to say; it's about what I want to hear. 

Your buying a product. A lot of people based buying the product on previous instalments where romance options were not gated. Its feedback , everyone is entitled to an opinion.

 

And feedback is important otherwise DA I wouldnt be the same , i mean you can go into area's where NPC you don't interact with are lesbian/gay etc. I believe this was from feedback from the LGBT community ( thats my belief  it might be naive)



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Carver - Impulsive young man with a chip on his shoulder, eager to prove himself. 

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Whiney... you forgot whiney as a character trait.



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I never got a "I'm gay, get over it" vibe from Dorian.  I did do his personal quest, but you know what?  He doesn't talk about being attracted to men prior to that unless you flirt with him.  Even then, he'll playfully flirt back in a friendly manner and then politely tell the lady Inquisitor that she isn't his type and why.  He's actually really respectful about it.

 

And the Dragon Age team didn't just add non-hetero characters to check off some sort of "inclusion" box.   Although please, do tell them what you just told us.  Politely contact them on twitter, with a PM or with an email and let them know that you think they added Dorian and Sera for that purpose alone.

 

And post the reaction, should they decide to give you one.   :)

 

Yeah, I'll give them some credit for that. Bioware in general finds kind of obvious ways to make sure you're aware of the character's sexuality but I get the feeling thats only so you know what your options are. Otherwise they're not in your face about things. And thats good because otherwise these games wouldn't age well.



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Whiney... you forgot whiney as a character trait.

 

I definitely forgot Whiny. Thank you. 



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I really dont want to play male character...but I want to try wooing Cassandra.  I already tried same-sex with Josephine (which is sweet but a little boring) and I can barely understand Sera so Cassandra is the only other female option. 

 

I doubt bioware will consider lifting the gender restriction I can still suggest it.  I hope someone creates a mod for this soon. 

The race restriction doesnt bother me much as I usually only play female elf or human. 

 

Well, I may still play male character but I'd probably go for Iron Bull or Dorian. I may try Qunari male coz the horns are just so...

 

Ehh nobody get what they want. I wanted to romance Sera with a male elf but that was not an option and similarly to you I don't want to play a female character so next time we will think twice before going against player-sexual characters.



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I think that's a really stupid idea. I want believable characters and everyone being pansexual is simply not believable in any way. That's not how sexual orientation works. DA2 backlash was justified because it's incredibly lazy to just make everyone bi and interchange personal pronouns depending on the player's gender. I far prefer the DAI approach - now there's straight, bi, gay and lesbian options. Bioware offers something for everyone and they made far more believable characters as a result. They did a wonderful job with this in Inquisition.


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Your buying a product. A lot of people based buying the product on previous instalments where romance options were not gated. Its feedback , everyone is entitled to an opinion.

 

Uh, Morrigan and Alistair. And while you're entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to comment on how stupid and nonsensical it is. 

 

 

 
And feedback is important otherwise DA I wouldnt be the same , i mean you can go into area's where NPC you don't interact with are lesbian/gay etc. I believe this was from feedback from the LGBT community ( thats my belief  it might be naive)

Okay. Doesn't really have anything to do with my point that thw writers can write whatever they want for their characters without pandering to small fraction of the fanbase's sexual appetites, but okay. 



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It's good to have characters with defined sexual identities. "Everyone is bisexual" was really annoying in DA2. It's not how the world works. It's not a "restriction", it's a character trait.


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Bioware offers something for everyone and they made far more believable characters as a result.

 

Actually, no, they don’t. Or, well, “something” can also be “disappointment” so I suppose you’re right.

 

Tell me why Merrill is a less believable character, directly related to her orientation. Fenris? Anders? Josephine? Liara?

 

I really, really love the ‘emg real wurld’ arguments. I do know that in ‘the real world’ everybody attracted to my sex is attracted to me. It’s super real.

 

I also love the ‘you should roleplay’ argument from those who can’t seem to be able to discard minor differences in characters between playthroughs.

 

 

I really just f— hate the truist argument that the pro-restriction side completely fails to critically examine, that characters are automatically somehow worse without a set-in-stone sexual orientation. Ugh.

 

 

ETA: There are characters for whom the orientation is an essential part of characterization. Dorian is one. That’s awesome, and should be continued to be included. It isn’t for others.


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but thats the thing, this is a game, not real life...

 

Gender-identity (in the case of Krem) , Sexual Orientation Sexual/Romantic preferences are characteristics. They aren't just ornamental trappings independent of a persons character, they are part and parcel of what makes up that person. Dorian being homosexual is, while far from his entire character, a key component of shaping who he is as a person.

 

You want to have real, fully realized three dimensional characters in your story - especially as companions - and just blanketing everyone as Bi-sexual purely so the main character can have a virtual harem diminishes those people. It makes them less real. You are playing a role in a fictional world, by adding facets to that world that do not revolve explicitly around you you make the world a richer deeper place. Without that it becomes less of a real world and more of an amusement park for the player.

 

It makes perfect sense that some people only want men, or only want women, or are more inclined to female qunari or male humans or female elves. The fact Solas is only interested in a female elf is part of his character and beliefs, if you change that you change an important part of him as a person (I've not romanced Solas, I don't know how much they expand on his reasons for this attitude - but whether left open or explicitly stated the point remains the same)..

 

Personally I love the fact that issues of gender-identity and orientation, sexuality in general, are being incorporated into these characters in a realistic manner. It gives them another facet and makes them more complete and more believable people. You can flirt with pretty much all of them and be returned the friendly banter by most, but when it becomes serious some people are looking for specific things.

 

My only qualm is I would like to see playful banter/flirting and serious romantic flirting separated on the response wheel. I face palmed when I clicked on the heart with Vivienne only to hear my Inquisitor bluntly ask "Do you think we could ever..", dear Andraste's teets did I have a stroke and completely forget the entire concept of subtlety ? x.x I really thought Vivienne would be perfect for some witty repartee but apparently with her my character turned into a babbling fifth grader.


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Actually, no, they don’t. Or, well, “something” can also be “disappointment” so I suppose you’re right.
 
Tell me why Merrill is a less believable character, directly related to her orientation


Ugh...1 of my biggest annoyances about people saying Merrill didn't make sense as being bisexual was that she was sexually naive & innocent about relationships aka "the girl next door" so it was somehow wrong, but Isabela being a walking stereotype was perfectly believable since thats how "real" bi people act :rolleyes:

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For the record, the companions in DA2 weren't playersexual. Carver was straight. Bethany was straight, Aveline was straight. Varric was straight. Sebastian was straight. The other romanceable companions were bisexual. I really didn't have a problem with that, but I am bisexual myself. I can understand how that would be really frustrating to monosexual gay or lesbian players who would like to be have more representation. HOWEVER monosexuality in itself is not what makes a character believable. All of the companions in DA2 were completely believable as bisexual people and as characters. I think DA2 was actually a very successful implementation of set sexualities - there just weren't as many sexualities as players might have expected. Those that were represented, however, were represented in a comprehensive and nuanced way.

 

I don't feel like DAI was some sort of great leap forward, though it's fantastic to have gay and lesbian representation. Dorian and the Iron Bull were the only ones whose sexuality felt really integral to who they are and how their romance path plays out. Maybe Solas as well, in that his fascination with a Dalish PC rings true, and the particular relationship he has with her does seem more stereotypically heterosexual. Sera's sexuality is far from the most important part of who she is, which is great, except that a lot of players hate who she is and can kick her out of the party at any point. Josie's arc makes more sense for a straight man. Cassandra, Blackwall, and Cullen don't feel like their straightness adds anything to the story.

 

And like syllogi said, f/f romances are the ones that tend to get shafted, and "main" romances tend to be straight. I'd like to see that change in the next game. If that means the main romances are bi, awesome. If they're gay, even better! We've never had a gay main romance.

 

I'd also like to see more non-romanceable characters who aren't straight. DAI is a step in the right direction with side characters like Celene, Briala, that scout in the Hinterlands, and War Table cameos from Herren and Wade. It would be nice to have a companion who isn't into the main character, but also isn't straight.


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For the record, the companions in DA2 weren't playersexual. Carver was straight. Bethany was straight, Aveline was straight. Varric was straight. Sebastian was straight. The other romanceable companions were bisexual. I really didn't have a problem with that, but I am bisexual myself. I can understand how that would be really frustrating to monosexual gay or lesbian players who would like to be have more representation. HOWEVER monosexuality in itself is not what makes a character believable. All of the companions in DA2 were completely believable as bisexual people and as characters. I think DA2 was actually a very successful implementation of set sexualities - there just weren't as many sexualities as players might have expected. Those that were represented, however, were represented in a comprehensive and nuanced way.

 

I don't feel like DAI was some sort of great leap forward, though it's fantastic to have gay and lesbian representation. Dorian and the Iron Bull were the only ones whose sexuality felt really integral to who they are and how their romance path plays out. Maybe Solas as well, in that his fascination with a Dalish PC rings true, and the particular relationship he has with her does seem more stereotypically heterosexual. Sera's sexuality is far from the most important part of who she is, which is great, except that a lot of players hate who she is and can kick her out of the party at any point. Josie's arc makes more sense for a straight man. Cassandra, Blackwall, and Cullen don't feel like their straightness adds anything to the story.

 

And like syllogi said, f/f romances are the ones that tend to get shafted, and "main" romances tend to be straight. I'd like to see that change in the next game. If that means the main romances are bi, awesome. If they're gay, even better! We've never had a gay main romance.

 

I'd also like to see more non-romanceable characters who aren't straight. DAI is a step in the right direction with side characters like Celene, Briala, that scout in the Hinterlands, and War Table cameos from Herren and Wade. It would be nice to have a companion who isn't into the main character, but also isn't straight.

 

 

Ugh...1 of my biggest annoyances about people saying Merrill didn't make sense as being bisexual was that she was sexually naive & innocent about relationships aka "the girl next door" so it was somehow wrong, but Isabela being a walking stereotype was perfectly believable since thats how "real" bi people act :rolleyes:

 

Actually... how do you know about the Hawke twins? Carver and Bethany are your siblings, surely you didn't flirt with them? Also, you never get the chance to talk about this stuff with one of them and the other is pretty much gone after chapter one.

Aveline and Varric were never romanceable (is that even a word?) and Sebastian was the tacked on DLC prude who dreamed of a chaste marriage.

Isabella being bi makes sense. Yes, she was a bit of a stereotype but still believeable. I liked her a lot. So did my female Hawke. ^^

Fenris ... I don't know. I never romanced him. He's just not my type. I don't like broody pretty guys.

Anders... well, perhaps if he had some anger management sessions, we could have talked about it. Him being bi surprised me at first but then I didn't care about him all that much.

Merrill... soooo adorable. Yes, she was totally naive and innocent (except for the blood magic stuff). That doesn't mean she didn't have desires, she just didn't act on them before meeting Hawke. Merrill being bi makes at least as much sense as Isabella.

 

Individually, their bisexuality makes sense. As a group however... eh. Statistically unlikely. Same for having all orientations represented in a group of 8 people (DA:I). To me it doesn't feel realistic and more like a buffet.

 

I would love to see a RPG with a female lesbian protagonist, as long as she is a believable character and not just some cliché. Which is sometimes harder than one might think. I tried writing a novel with a lesbian protagonist and struggled a lot to give her a happy end. I think it's already ingrained in our culture that the different ones suffer more or die first and often don't get the happy ending they deserve. It's definitely a trend if you look a movies.

 

The reason why the main romance is straight is probably because of demographics. Seeing as the majority of their market is in countries who are a kinda irrational about homosexuality, it's no surprise that BioWare is not taking a risk with that.

 

Also, this is still a fantasy game and not a show piece for tolerance, equality and representation. At some point all this talk about sex distracts from the actual story.


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 I already tried same-sex with Josephine (which is sweet but a little boring)

 

 

girl on girl in a nutshell



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girl on girl in a nutshell

 

Sometimes I really wish we could dislike posts. This clearly deserves a -1. ;)



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I think that's a really stupid idea. I want believable characters and everyone being pansexual is simply not believable in any way. That's not how sexual orientation works. DA2 backlash was justified because it's incredibly lazy to just make everyone bi and interchange personal pronouns depending on the player's gender. I far prefer the DAI approach - now there's straight, bi, gay and lesbian options. Bioware offers something for everyone and they made far more believable characters as a result. They did a wonderful job with this in Inquisition.

 

Well, I find it hard to believe that you have four sapient species in this game and ALL of them conform to our standard sexual preferences.   :rolleyes:

 

We're talking about a story set in a fictional world with magic and monsters and extra humanoid species and a contiguous plane of existence with dream stuff and demons, widespread sexual tolerance despite the era. But no, this is what breaks your immersion. Right.

 

Why not just play a modern bro shooter or a dating sim if you want this much real world in your games? 



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I never had a problem with Isabela being bisexual, she's my fav romance in DA2 despite being the "slutty bisexual" stereotype, the thing that p*ssed me off were the amount of people who considered her as the only "believable bi companion" just cos she'd sleep with anything while Merrill was seen as unrealistic for being a sweet & innocent character like its some kind of law that you have to be a promiscuous person to be truly bisexual

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Actually... how do you know about the Hawke twins? Carver and Bethany are your siblings, surely you didn't flirt with them? Also, you never get the chance to talk about this stuff with one of them and the other is pretty much gone after chapter one.

Aveline and Varric were never romanceable (is that even a word?) and Sebastian was the tacked on DLC prude who dreamed of a chaste marriage.

Isabella being bi makes sense. Yes, she was a bit of a stereotype but still believeable. I liked her a lot. So did my female Hawke. ^^

Fenris ... I don't know. I never romanced him. He's just not my type. I don't like broody pretty guys.

Anders... well, perhaps if he had some anger management sessions, we could have talked about it. Him being bi surprised me at first but then I didn't care about him all that much.

Merrill... soooo adorable. Yes, she was totally naive and innocent (except for the blood magic stuff). That doesn't mean she didn't have desires, she just didn't act on them before meeting Hawke. Merrill being bi makes at least as much sense as Isabella.

 

Individually, their bisexuality makes sense. As a group however... eh. Statistically unlikely. Same for having all orientations represented in a group of 8 people (DA:I). To me it doesn't feel realistic and more like a buffet.

 

I would love to see a RPG with a female lesbian protagonist, as long as she is a believable character and not just some cliché. Which is sometimes harder than one might think. I tried writing a novel with a lesbian protagonist and struggled a lot to give her a happy end. I think it's already ingrained in our culture that the different ones suffer more or die first and often don't get the happy ending they deserve. It's definitely a trend if you look a movies.

 

The reason why the main romance is straight is probably because of demographics. Seeing as the majority of their market is in countries who are a kinda irrational about homosexuality, it's no surprise that BioWare is not taking a risk with that.

 

Also, this is still a fantasy game and not a show piece for tolerance, equality and representation. At some point all this talk about sex distracts from the actual story.

Admittedly Bethany might be bi-curious, given some of her banter with Isabela, but she seems to be more shocked/intrigued by the idea than actually interested in pursuing a same-sex relationship, which is not that weird for a straight woman. Carver shows interest in women (Merrill and Isabela), but no interest in men, which makes him about as straight as Blackwall. Same with Varric, who flirts with FemHawke and mentions Bianca in fond terms. Aveline shows interest in a man (Donnic) and disinterest in a woman (Isabela), so she's as straight as Morrigan.

 

It's not statistically unlikely for a group of friends to contain a number of bisexuals. You might be able to make the statistics argument for DAO or DAI, since they're brought together by chance and forced to work together to save the world, but since DA2 is specifically about a bunch of people who are friends for 10 years, it's actually not at all surprising that they'd have something like that in common. My brother and I are both bi and we both have a lot of bi and gay friends - this is part of why we are friends.

 

Also, I don't think this is a conversation about sex that distracts us from the actual story. People don't need to have sex to not be straight. Besides, judging by the arguments in this thread, evidently players want sexuality to be part of the story, because it's relevant to our lives in the real world and should be relevant to the characters' lives in a fictional setting as well.



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Admittedly Bethany might be bi-curious, given some of her banter with Isabela, but she seems to be more shocked/intrigued by the idea than actually interested in pursuing a same-sex relationship, which is not that weird for a straight woman. Carver shows interest in women (Merrill and Isabela), but no interest in men, which makes him about as straight as Blackwall. Same with Varric, who flirts with FemHawke and mentions Bianca in fond terms. Aveline shows interest in a man (Donnic) and disinterest in a woman (Isabela), so she's as straight as Morrigan.

 

It's not statistically unlikely for a group of friends to contain a number of bisexuals. You might be able to make the statistics argument for DAO or DAI, since they're brought together by chance and forced to work together to save the world, but since DA2 is specifically about a bunch of people who are friends for 10 years, it's actually not at all surprising that they'd have something like that in common. My brother and I are both bi and we both have a lot of bi and gay friends - this is part of why we are friends.

 

Also, I don't think this is a conversation about sex that distracts us from the actual story. People don't need to have sex to not be straight. Besides, judging by the arguments in this thread, evidently players want sexuality to be part of the story, because it's relevant to our lives in the real world and should be relevant to the characters' lives in a fictional setting as well.

 

 

Your post just made me realize that Dragon Age 2 is Friends: D&D Edition.

 

I can't possibly be the first to make that observation. Its not even theoretically possible on the internet.


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I never had a problem with Isabela being bisexual, she's my fav romance in DA2 despite being the "slutty bisexual" stereotype, the thing that p*ssed me off were the amount of people who considered her as the only "believable bi companion" just cos she'd sleep with anything while Merrill was seen as unrealistic for being a sweet & innocent character like its some kind of law that you have to be a promiscuous person to be truly bisexual

 

Yes, I got that and I agree with you. But hey, don't let the opinions of others bother you.

There is also nothing wrong with Isabella enjoying her life... after all, it's hers and no one else gets to make decisions for her or criticize her. If she was a straight guy, she'd get high fives from lots of people. As a woman, people look down on her for her behaviour. Meh. She was my favourite love interest in DA2 for lots of reasons but certaintly not because she was "easy".

 

 

Admittedly Bethany might be bi-curious, given some of her banter with Isabela, but she seems to be more shocked/intrigued by the idea than actually interested in pursuing a same-sex relationship, which is not that weird for a straight woman. Carver shows interest in women (Merrill and Isabela), but no interest in men, which makes him about as straight as Blackwall.

 

I am not saying you are wrong about the twins, I'm just saying you do not have enough data to be sure. At the time both are 18 and never had many friends or contact with other people, because of their fear of discovery. I doubt they fully explored their sexuality already, so who knows what might have happened, if they had lived?

 

It's not statistically unlikely for a group of friends to contain a number of bisexuals. You might be able to make the statistics argument for DAO or DAI, since they're brought together by chance and forced to work together to save the world, but since DA2 is specifically about a bunch of people who are friends for 10 years, it's actually not at all surprising that they'd have something like that in common. My brother and I are both bi and we both have a lot of bi and gay friends - this is part of why we are friends.

 

Yes it is. With the majority of the population falling more or less into the definition of hetero, the probability that a random group of people (your love interests in DA2) are all bi is very unlikely. Keep in mind that they didn't meet because of their sexuality. They didn't go all to the same LGBT event or meet in the same club.

The fact that I have more lesbian/bi friends than straight ones despite not having any contact with the lgbt scene is a statistic anomaly I haven't been able to explain yet. ;)

 

Also, I don't think this is a conversation about sex that distracts us from the actual story. People don't need to have sex to not be straight. Besides, judging by the arguments in this thread, evidently players want sexuality to be part of the story, because it's relevant to our lives in the real world and should be relevant to the characters' lives in a fictional setting as well.

 

That's probably subjective to me. I was the same in Mass Effect, I was all about the mission. My female Shepard didn't have time for romance and only gave in when Kelly told her in ME2 that she needed to relax. She ended up with Samantha Traynor in ME3 but could have gone without any romance, too. This was actually my favourite playthrough.

 

For my Inquisitor there are so many things going on at once that I find it hard to believe they have the time or energy for romance. The fate of the world rests on your shoulders, you lost your memory, everyone wants a piece of you and one of the first Darkspawns wants you dead. Does that sound like a romantic situation to you?

 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the character development and the flirting and the banter... I'm more ambivalent about the sex scenes though. Personally I could do without all that and I wouldn't feel like I missed anything.



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Wow. Quite a few people in this topic had a Ring of Stupid active... I took some serious stupid damage. Luckily I had 1 Neuron Regen Potion left. *gulp*

 

Back to the matter at hand. First of all, people like Weltall, whining about things being crammed down their throat... lol... Always funny to hear homophobes saying that repeatedly and hysterically. Also the "sexual orientation is just a tiny detail, it doesn't define me" thing... I mean really... how brain dead must you be to actually think that? Your sexuality might not define you exhaustively, but it's one big fkn important part of who you are and it's a major drive in your life. The "it's a tiny minor part" "argument" is used by haters trying to minimize and demean the glbt community (same way the even more idiotic 'there's only 0.0001% of them' nonsense is being used). If you're not a proud hater, just get off that boat, it's pathetic and idiotic.

 

Now, where was I... oh yea. Having all chars being bi is... silly at best. It was meh in DA2. But it is what it is, DA2 had so many problems, it's hard to pinpoint anything and say "this is the big one!". Like almost always with Bioware, I appreciated the fact that I could play as a gay male, and romance a man... 2 even in this case. So I just overlooked the whole "all bi" thing. What they did in DAI is perfect. The characters are defined and generally awesome. Does that mean I would like to have sexy times with Cullen too? Sure, why not, he's hot, and I like his smart enough to not be a demented templar, even though he was tortured by abominations/demons, unlike some of the insane templars you meet. But I can't, because he's str8. Aww... well, he'll just be a good friend then,I respect the guy. See how easy it is? No tantrum, no foot stomping and screaming "I want to boink Cullen NAO!" nonsense.

 

And finally. Yes, yes, everyone is entitled to having opinions. Just as I'm entitled to pointing out when one such opinion is objectively idiotic. :)

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That's probably subjective to me. I was the same in Mass Effect, I was all about the mission. My female Shepard didn't have time for romance and only gave in when Kelly told her in ME2 that she needed to relax. She ended up with Samantha Traynor in ME3 but could have gone without any romance, too. This was actually my favourite playthrough.

 

For my Inquisitor there are so many things going on at once that I find it hard to believe they have the time or energy for romance. The fate of the world rests on your shoulders, you lost your memory, everyone wants a piece of you and one of the first Darkspawns wants you dead. Does that sound like a romantic situation to you?

 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the character development and the flirting and the banter... I'm more ambivalent about the sex scenes though. Personally I could do without all that and I wouldn't feel like I missed anything.

I don't think we have to be involved in a romance with a character to find out what their sexuality is. I do enjoy the romance side content, and I do feel strongly about options being available for different kinds of players, particularly ones who don't get side content in other games, but I'd be pretty happy with my companions flirting with each other, meeting people's partners, or finding out about their past relationships without romancing them as well. Even if I played a Bioware game with no romance content for the PC at all, I would still expect to see a number of NPCs who are romantically involved with someone and/or have sexual preferences.

 

My point is just that it's not fair to say that all the LIs in DA2 being bisexual is unrealistic ... or at least, no more unrealistic than them being attracted to a PC based on nothing more than their physical sex. In real life a straight woman is not willing to date every man she meets, after all. I haven't heard any outcry over the game mechanic that makes Morrigan interested in an ugly male Warden from any origin, though - just over the game mechanic that makes Anders hit on any Hawke who is kind to him.



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Wow. Quite a few people in this topic had a Ring of Stupid active... I took some serious stupid damage. Luckily I had 1 Neuron Regen Potion left. *gulp*

 

Back to the matter at hand. First of all, people like Weltall, whining about things being crammed down their throat... lol... Always funny to hear homophobes saying that repeatedly and hysterically. Also the "sexual orientation is just a tiny detail, it doesn't define me" thing... I mean really... how brain dead must you be to actually think that? Your sexuality might not define you exhaustively, but it's one big fkn important part of who you are and it's a major drive in your life. The "it's a tiny minor part" "argument" is used by haters trying to minimize and demean the glbt community (same way the even more idiotic 'there's only 0.0001% of them' nonsense is being used). If you're not a proud hater, just get off that boat, it's pathetic and idiotic.

 

Now, where was I... oh yea. Having all chars being bi is... silly at best. It was meh in DA2. But it is what it is, DA2 had so many problems, it's hard to pinpoint anything and say "this is the big one!". Like almost always with Bioware, I appreciated the fact that I could play as a gay male, and romance a man... 2 even in this case. So I just overlooked the whole "all bi" thing. What they did in DAI is perfect. The characters are defined and generally awesome. Does that mean I would like to have sexy times with Cullen too? Sure, why not, he's hot, and I like his smart enough to not be a demented templar, even though he was tortured by abominations/demons, unlike some of the insane templars you meet. But I can't, because he's str8. Aww... well, he'll just be a good friend then,I respect the guy. See how easy it is? No tantrum, no foot stomping and screaming "I want to boink Cullen NAO!" nonsense.

 

And finally. Yes, yes, everyone is entitled to having opinions. Just as I'm entitled to pointing out when one such opinion is objectively idiotic. :)

Cheers

 

You know, I don't like a lot of your tone, but at least your 'Ring of Stupid' remark implies that you think these are normal people with one or two stupid opinions and not completely irredeemably stupid people. That's better than we usually get on the internet. 

 

And I suppose you can let sex consume your life to the point where sexual preferences might seem to be such a big part of it, but the world and what life has to offer and what people are and can be goes far beyond that. In any event, we aren't even talking about actually getting rid of sex. We're just talking about making the story a little more malleable so that this game can come closer to serving all its audiences. However big love and sex are, choice of gender for sex partner objectively is only a big deal because people choose to make it one, arguing about laws and such. Wouldn't it be better to have a beautiful world that is free from this bit of ugliness we're squabbling over in the real world? 

 

You see, a lot of us actually turn to escapist fantasy to escape. We don't want to drag our baggage with us or moan about real world troubles. The real world already gives us nice heaping helpings of it. 



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ComedicSociopathy

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I'm surprised that no one's bought up that Inquisition is one of the few video games out there that has homosexual representation. I know that a couple people would prefer that the romances were bi so that can romance whichever character of there choosing, but you got to realize that doing that would mean that we'd lose companions like Dorian or Sera who are admired because of the fact that they are homosexual characters in an industry that still has a major issue with having gay content in their products. 

 

Bioware got a lot of deserved respect from their customers and LGBT people for being one of the only AAA developers willing to do that and I would hate for them to go back to the DA 2's method and lose that representation.