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[Vordish]

It is simple. She claims that the nightmare has taken memories from the Inquisitor. She is what controls when they appear. In addition, these are supposed to be MEMORIES.

 

The only thing the Inquisitor knows is the cry for help and opens the door to scream "What is going on here?!". The memory itself would NOT include what is seen before; The image of Divine Justinia suspended above with Grey Wardens surrounding her and Corypheus using the orb the way he is depicted.

 

In addition, the rest of the party sees these same things. It is a vision given to the Inquisitor and the party to explain the events. It is not specifically memories.

 

If its an oversight then its a bad one, else the only conclusion based on all the evidence is that it is either a spirit imitating Justinia or something else entirely, especially considering the fact that I have seen nothing that would indicate a human being having that sort of power.

 

Everything is else just pure speculation and supposition.

[ChaosMarky]

I think everyone already knows this... :|

[Kage]

The game clearly hints you that it is a spirit, which took Justinia's form/memories.

Just as Compassion did with Cole.

 

However, you can still roleplay an Inquisitor who still believes THAT was Justinia, and not a spirit. The game does not explicitly say you it is a spirit, so you can choose what to believe, which is actually cool.

[DanAxe]

It's Andraste!!!

 

But she passes as Justinia cause she doesnt want you to become even more infatuated with the whole "Herald of Andraste" thing going on. Also Cassandra would probably have a seizure if the spirit revealed itself as being Andraste.

 

Seriously tho, dunno about being Andraste or just a spirit, but it seems to know more about the fade than Justinia should have. And it also seems to be a bit more than just a simple spirit (in the fade on their pure form a spirit would embody 1 specific characteristic and i cant seem to see 1 only characteristic to that spirit - Compassion? Justice? Wisdom? blah dunno)

[DarkSpiral]

There have been many arguments on these forums since the game launched.

 

I don't think this is going to be one of them.

[steamcamel]

As if the story wasn't confusing enough already.

[Jaron Oberyn]

No, it's the real Divine Justinia. She always had that super glow and fly power. 

[Kantr]

It was Andraste's Mabari come back to life in the form of Divine Justinia

[berrieh]

It is simple. She claims that the nightmare has taken memories from the Inquisitor. She is what controls when they appear. In addition, these are supposed to be MEMORIES.

 

The only thing the Inquisitor knows is the cry for help and opens the door to scream "What is going on here?!". The memory itself would NOT include what is seen before; The image of Divine Justinia suspended above with Grey Wardens surrounding her and Corypheus using the orb the way he is depicted.

 

The memory of Justinia would, though, since she was in the room. So I don't get this argument.

 

I agree that the form in the Fade is a spirit (whether it has any part of Justinia, I cannot say - it is truly possible Justinia met that spirit and they merged in some way; it's the Fade, weird stuff happens). But I don't get what this has to do with it. 

[Ekliane]

What is a person, but memories and feelings stitched together ?

[Toasted Llama]

It is simple. She claims that the nightmare has taken memories from the Inquisitor. She is what controls when they appear. In addition, these are supposed to be MEMORIES.

 

The only thing the Inquisitor knows is the cry for help and opens the door to scream "What is going on here?!". The memory itself would NOT include what is seen before; The image of Divine Justinia suspended above with Grey Wardens surrounding her and Corypheus using the orb the way he is depicted.

 

In addition, the rest of the party sees these same things. It is a vision given to the Inquisitor and the party to explain the events. It is not specifically memories.

You.... Never played this mission... right? The Inquisitor was literally being guided through the fade to recollect their memories, much like how you recover from amnesia.

I mean, it's LITERALLY being said in the game, that the memory bits scattered in the fade are pieces of memory that the Inquisitor temporarily lost. Probably due to the orb. What's being shown ARE the Inquisitor's memories and because they are in the fade, one that I think majorly adjusts itself to create a nightmare for the Inquisitor, anyone who is in the fade with the Inquisitor can see it.

Have you never had a moment where you forgot a word or a name and then later remembered it? That's basically what happens in the fade.

[Kantr]

You.... Never played this mission... right? The Inquisitor was literally being guided through the fade to recollect their memories, much like how you recover from amnesia.

I mean, it's LITERALLY being said in the game, that the memory bits scattered in the fade are pieces of memory that the Inquisitor temporarily lost. Probably due to the orb. What's being shown ARE the Inquisitor's memories and because they are in the fade, one that I think majorly adjusts itself to create a nightmare for the Inquisitor, anyone who is in the fade with the Inquisitor can see it.

Have you never had a moment where you forgot a word or a name and then later remembered it? That's basically what happens in the fade.

The nightmare took it. Not the orb

 

Its a lot different being physically in the fade. You cant wake up if killed or trapped.

[Little Princess Peach]

What is a person, but memories and feelings stitched together ?

blood guts bones and goo

[Ekliane]

blood guts bones and goo

 

There goes metaphysic

[Quaddis]

Khm..that spirit or whatever it is, says that it is not Jusitina...so....

[Toasted Llama]

The nightmare took it. Not the orb

 

Its a lot different being physically in the fade. You cant wake up if killed or trapped.

Never said the orb took it, only said that the orb was probably the cause of memory loss due physical trauma. Besides, the Inquisitor "forgot" even before the nightmare occured.

And yes, being in the fade physically is different, yet the fade is still a clusterfluck of blargh where anything is possible.

[Trickshaw]

Quick question: Does it matter?

[Kantr]

Never said the orb took it, only said that the orb was probably the cause of memory loss due physical trauma. Besides, the Inquisitor "forgot" even before the nightmare occured.

And yes, being in the fade physically is different, yet the fade is still a clusterfluck of blargh where anything is possible.

The nightmare took the memories when you went into the fade. Or maybe when you fell out

[Toasted Llama]

The nightmare took the memories when you went into the fade. Or maybe when you fell out

Still, they're memories that once belonged to the Inquisitor, not visions, which is my main point.

[Taleroth]

The Fade is basically a realm of collective unconscious. Even the demons in it are manifestations of people's emotions.

 

But in a sense, little in the Fade can truly be the same thing outside of the Fade. Because at the least, the Fade pulls from many sources. A demon of rage isn't just one person's rage, for example.

 

But couldn't a bit of the spirit taking Justinia's form have come from Justinia herself?

[Kantr]

Still, they're memories that once belonged to the Inquisitor, not visions, which is my main point.

What was your main point? I didnt understand

[NM_Che56]

On my second playthru, it occurred to me that this could, in fact, be Andraste.  She's just being cagey about it. Why?  That's a great question (thank you. you're welcome...what? ok, go!):

 

The game seems to have this underlying theme of "testing your faith" as the Inquisitor.  What kind of test would it be if you knew the answer?

 

 

NOTE: Before smart asses start in with "necro", this place has a nasty habit of spewing wrath at someone when a new thread was created despite another thread that existed 2 years ago...

[DarkAmaranth1966]

No kidding and, if you recall the opening video then, the woman that reached out to you was that spirit first, then Justina when you got close. So the spirit is definitely associated closely with Justina but, is not her. Perhaps it is the spirit of Andraste, or even the Maker and, it normally guides the Divine closely but, since there is no Divine and, you were damaged trying to save Justina, it decided to help you.

[Ashagar]

I though it was openly implied that it wasn't Divine Justinia, its what it is other that's the real question. What we know is what ever the being that took her form was it was extremely powerful given it removed the nightmare which is likely the most powerful being yet shown in the series out of the picture long enough for you to fight its aspect.