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[dsl08002]

First of all let me give you a small introduction.

Warden Cousland is alive and well became later warden commander of ferelden, Alistair is king and Leliana is LI.

havnt yet played with a different LI

When Leliana tells the inquisitor about what the Hero of ferelden is doing, searching for a cure of the calling there are some problems that presents itself. First of all I like the whole search for the cure in order to be with you LI but......

There are is one illogical behaviour here. it sounds like the mission is personal, searching for a cure. and if that is the case when you get the message from the inquisition you would simply drop everything and make haste back to skyhold to help regardless of what obstacles are in your way. Duty must always come first.

Secondly in DA2 ending Leliana tells Cassandra that that it is no coincidence that the warden and hawke are missing. Either its an mistake from Bioware or Leliana lied straight to cassandras face of where the HoF truly was and what he was doing. As you saw she knew exactly how to get a message to HoF.

So to sum this up quickly it sounds that the warden is being selfish, and that bioware never really thought it through when they decided not to include the warden in DAI.

Personally I hope that these is just a ruse and that the HoF is searching for a way to stop the remaining old gods once and for all. No more blights.

[XMissWooX]

Between my Hawke suddenly getting all serious and hating the Grey Wardens, and my Hero of Ferelden randomly ignoring her duty in search of a cure she was firmly against, I have to say I'm not exactly thrilled with the way my past protagonists have been handled in DAI.
Not that I blame Bioware - I suppose this is why they were somewhat reluctant to include Hawke and the Warden at all. It's just a shame that this is 'canon' now.

[nightscrawl]

It doesn't have anything to do with Leliana being your LI. I heard the same dialog and got the same letter that you did.

 

Also, considering what happens with the Wardens in DAI, I would consider that stopping the Calling to be a rather high priority now. It may have started out as something personal for the Warden (how the letter makes it seem), but a personal mission doesn't necessarily have to conflict with the greater good.

 

Of course, your perspective may vary regarding your own Warden.

[Nyctyris]

I'd rather they had just killed Hawke and HoF off, than have a rubbish ending for them.

 

I get that they can't do a lot with it; your decisions can't matter or the sequels are impossible to make. I'd rather have a canon ending and have the ending matter, though. 

[Wolfen09]

you forget, the warden's duty is to the order, not to the rest of the world, except during a blight.  stroud or alistair, depending on who was a warden in da2, basically leaves hawke to deal with a burning city full of qunari cause they got some place to go.  it is my belief that the warden is actually on a mission for all of the wardens to find a cure, which is very important to the order.  as for leliana making the comment at the end of da2, she might be telling the truth.  we know that the warden goes "missing" at the end of witch hunt, to find a cure.  maybe the warden didnt contact her about his whereabouts till after that scene in da2.  i know its still within the same year as inquisition, but hey it could happen.... my HOF dalish elf has A.D.D., its not surprising he forgot to tell leliana where he was or what he was doing for a few years.

[AlexiaRevan]

I found something baffeling...

 

See 

 

Spoiler

In my Save leliana x femwarden yada yada sided with mage and hawkexBela . And I sided with Mage , so in that spell Alexius drag ya a year ahead right ^ and none wondered...why the warden wouldnt show up ^ i mean for my quizzie and dorian they said this never happen . But clearly it happen somewhere in an alternate manner or world . And my warden never showed up there.....I though real or not , my warden would show up . especially since coryphius killed celene and thats like ringing a bell to the world that he is the top dog now...

 

[TEWR]

The Warden's on a search to find a cure for the Calling itself, not just for him/her but for all Wardens. And note that a cure might not necessarily be like Fiona's. Avernus wanted to isolate the power within the Taint without afflicting the people who take it in with the corruption.

 

I can't say that it's what everyone's Warden would do, but for my own Warden who romanced Morrigan (and Leliana, but the stupid Keep only lets me pick one or the other) it is what he would do. And he is helping in his own way in my headcanon.

 

However, if a romanced Leliana does in fact know how to reach the Warden (in contrast to an unromanced Leliana sending her agents to pick up the Warden's trail through the war table) then yeah... either Bioware dropped the ball or they gave Leliana a conflict of interest by lying to Cassandra's face because of her feelings for the Warden.

 

I'd be laughing though if Cassandra was the person everyone lied to. Varric, Leliana, etc.

 

....she needs to stab more books and paper-y things.

[Lillian Sword-Maiden]

I'm really interested to know about the letter/codex thing you get after the warden's war table mission.

 

I'm not far enough along yet to know first hand, but in the letter does it always mention the warden returning to their LI, provided they are alive and such? Or was that specific to only Zevran? I was wondering, cause if you are King Alistair's mistress, its like no one even mentions they had a relationship at all? Is it suppose to be a secret? 

[l3loodpimp]

Since your warden seems to put the good of everyone above it's own, let me remind you something.

 

   Warden's sole purpose is to fight the blight and and gather any means necessary to defeat it. Remember how Duncan didn't give a crap about his conscript being murderers, petty criminals, or even the biggest douche in the world? Or how he killed one of the recruit during the ceremony? Yea, wardens are like that, not the savior of the world, but an evil necessary to fight a bigger threat.

 

  As for the hero of Ferelden, rather than trying to find a decent answer that would feat or not to Dragon Age lore, our dear EA is reminding you guys that he's not for charity, but to money. They know that most Dragon Age fan will rather pay for a DLC that include our first hero, than Hawk the goody two shoes/glorified Babysitter of Kirkwall.

  However, Bioware wouldn't let us too much in a dark, no no no. They happily gave us a god awefull 14hours mission to recieve... pretty much nothing but "See you in the next DLC, only for 10 to 15$"

 

There is no other logical explanation than, we want your money $_$.

[dragondreamer]

The Warden doesn't have a duty to serve the Inquisition.  Considering what happened when all the Wardens suddenly got their Calling and flipped out, if the Warden has a lead on a way to stop Calling, that might be better for everyone in the long run.  The best I think the Warden could offer at the time was their name as a rallying point, but with the huge blow the Wardens took to their reputations, even that might not be enough.  And becoming personally involved could've been a bad idea, with how vulnerable all Grey Wardens were to Corypheus' control. 

 

In the case of my own Warden, there's also personal reasons he would do this beyond just himself: namely Alistair...always seems to come back to that.  Moment I read the letter, I knew what it would be about for him.  My Warden tends to be a goody-two-shoes, but he's never been a saint, he has his various issues.  He did the Dark Ritual on the same basis, despite his strong stance against blood magic.  Until we find out otherwise, I'm assuming whatever was in that book Morrigan left for the Warden, it had something to do with a potential cure, and that's what he's been chasing around after since then.  The sudden Calling everyone got in DA:I probably only made it a more urgent mission for him.

 

And at this point, I suspect the cure is something to do with dragon's blood, since dragons apparently have a natural resistance to the Blight.

[Wolfen09]

I found something baffeling...

 

See 

 

Spoiler

In my Save leliana x femwarden yada yada sided with mage and hawkexBela . And I sided with Mage , so in that spell Alexius drag ya a year ahead right ^ and none wondered...why the warden wouldnt show up ^ i mean for my quizzie and dorian they said this never happen . But clearly it happen somewhere in an alternate manner or world . And my warden never showed up there.....I though real or not , my warden would show up . especially since coryphius killed celene and thats like ringing a bell to the world that he is the top dog now...

 

 

I would assume with the breach all large and in charge, that your warden would have been dead at that point...  just because our wardens are slaughter machines, doesnt mean they cant be killed.... knowing mine, he wandered off a cliff somewhere chasing a butterfly

[gottaloveme]

When do you get this quest? What triggers it?

[dragondreamer]

When do you get this quest? What triggers it?

 

It popped up in post-game for me.

 

Edit: Oh, it happened after talking to Morrigan in post-game.  She talks to you about the Warden, and the mission becomes available.

[Lillian Sword-Maiden]

You need to finish the hawk/warden quest thing, and then talk to Leliana or Morrigan and one of them will tell you how to get in contact with the HoF.

 

Its a war table mission, takes 14 hours (though I'd just change my clocks time if I was impatient.) and you get it in the form of a codex entry I think? 

[Apo]

I knew that sparing Avernus could lead to something like that, I hope that it will not stay as a war table mission only and we'll get something in the long run even if he does'nt show up, and that the companions from Awakening are with him

 

You can check the different versions of the letter/codex your inquisitor receives in this link : http://dragonage.wik...wiki/The_Warden

 

The only thing that bothered me regarding this war table mission is the item you get, a simple belt, it hoped for a copy of the sword Vigilance

[Hobbes]

I honestly think that whatever they originally had planned for the HoF didn't pan out and they needed to invent a reason to explain where they were for the fans and...that's what they came up with.  I wouldn't think about it too much, I agree it was a little funny and doesn't always make complete sense perhaps helping stop your insane comrades would be a little more important at the moment?)...but eh...at least they didn't kill them off lol.  Plus, as a Zevran romancer, I was happy to hear they are off together, so it was nice.

[Br3admax]

Leliana doesn't know where the Warden is, regardless of romantic attachments, she just knows how to contact them after her power base has grown enough. 

[Luckyanna]

perhaps helping stop your insane comrades would be a little more important at the moment?

To be fair it does sounds like the Warden left for their mission before everyone started going crazy and that is why they are not experiencing the Calling. Also, wouldn't it make sense to continue with the search, so that they can save their crazy comrades by curing the calling?

[Carmen_Willow]

My Canon Warden went through the mirror with Morrigan. He has every reason to want a cure, a son. And a cure could mean the possibility for Warden's to produce viable offspring again. My Warden faced serious censorship/execution so his enlistment in the Wardens wasn't exactly voluntary. And after saving the world from the Blight, doesn't he get a sabbatical?  How many times does a hero have to step up to the plate and swing? If the Hero can find a cure for the Calling, I say "go for it."

[No-one...\o/]

Secondly in DA2 ending Leliana tells Cassandra that that it is no coincidence that the warden and hawke are missing. Either its an mistake from Bioware or Leliana lied straight to cassandras face of where the HoF truly was and what he was doing. As you saw she knew exactly how to get a message to HoF.

There is even a scene in DAI with Cassadra, after Hawke is introduced and Cas had her fight with Varric, where she tells the Inquisitor "We thought it all connected, but no. It was just Varric." This negates Leliana's "no coincidence". They thought it was, but it was a fallacy.

[Lillian Sword-Maiden]

:s Well I can't say I'm pleased that a Warden who is Mistress to Alistair doesn't even mention him, or get mentioned by him. Bah. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

This is why you shouldn't show or reveal blank pc because of pretty much massive inconsistencies some wardens cared about duty others don't my warden didn't and wanted to leave wardens he did that in the end of dao and said he will do it again in daa after mess is cleaned and yet in dai it isnt in case.

 

still dwarven wardens and dalish get punched mostly being reduced pretty much to stereotype.   

[Han Shot First]

My impression from Leliana's DA2 dialogue is that originally Bioware intended to have the Hero of Ferelden appear in DA:I much like Hawke. Maybe they later decided against it for whatever reason, or are saving it for DLC or the next DA title. 

 

In any case I do agree that the Warden's personal quest is a bit odd considering everything that is going on. It is also a bit out-of-character for the Warden I played in DA:O and Awakenings. As it stands, I just head canon that he's following orders from Weisshaupt and it wasn't his choice to go searching for a cure while Corypheus was busy threatening the world.

 

I might be in the minority but I'm also not a fan of the cure. I'd rather the devs kept it where Wardens had to go on their Calling. Tragic characters shouldn't get an easy out just because the character happens to be a fan favorite. 

[His Name was HYR!!]

 Yeah, my Dalish Warden never took his duty seriously after the Blight. As Warden-Commander, he was probably throwing parties at Vigil's Keep while they were supposed to be forging into the Deep Roads, as per Anders's suggestion (you know, back when he was cool). Trying to cure his Taint (har har) definitely sounds like something he'd do.

 

He ain't about that Warden life.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

I was perfectly fine with this little quest for my Warden. She already got up and left Vigil's Keep at the end of Awakening, supposedly, and went off to be with Leliana. Was perfectly in-character for her to want to be rid of the Calling. Still not sure why she's apparently the only one she told the nature of what she was doing to, leading everyone else to believe she vanished off the face of the earth, but...meh.