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[AlanC9]

No one would disagree with the obvious. The disagreements thus far: 1) we shouldn't need to upgrade from software which is still widely used; 2) many people still dislike Windows 8; 3) "better" is incredibly subjective.

Well, in order:

1: You don't. The game plays under Win7. Whether Bio optimized DAI adequately is a completely separate question -- unless you're arguing that Bio didn't do enough work to make the game operate under Windows 7 in particular? I don't see any evidence of that being presented. Windows 8.1's superior performance is because of what Microsoft did, not what Bioware didn't do.

2: Sure. You get your choice. If you want an interface you prefer but worse code under the hood, stick with Windows 7. Or Vista, or XP, or whatever else you're running.

3: I'm pretty sure that better FPS is better FPS no matter who does the counting.

[MacroN0va]

Care to back that up with facts?

 

There are several examples of ignorance in this thread, like Windows 8 being a "touchpad OS" (you can literally go weeks without seeing the start screen depending on your workflow, longer if you install a 3rd party start menu or classic shell) or having to go through several steps to turn off the computer (alt+f4 from the desktop works just as well in 8 as it does in 7).

 

Windows 8 suffers from a perception problem, where people think you need the start screen. And I get it; I think the start screen is really dumb. But here's the thing: you almost never need to see it.

 

No one would disagree with the obvious. The disagreements thus far: 1) we shouldn't need to upgrade from software which is still widely used; 2) many people still dislike Windows 8; 3) "better" is incredibly subjective.

 

Windows 8 performs better, is more stable, has more configuration options, etc. Under the hood it's flat out a better OS. People just don't like the Start Screen, which is an incredibly superficial complaint since you rarely need the start screen. 

 

Remind me never to try to post anything helpful on these forums again. I was just really excited i had some good results...

 

Your post was appreciated and you did nothing wrong. It was others who hated irrationally on Win8.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Windows 8 performs better, is more stable, has more configuration options, etc. Under the hood it's flat out a better OS.

 

Sorry, but that's bs. More configuration options? Where? How? The actual difference between the kernels is minimal. More stable? What's more stable than a Win7 that never crashes? Performs better... perhaps in games. But that's mostly because it uses a newer version of DirectX. When it comes to normal OS tasks, I see no difference at all.

 

I'm much faster setting up a new Win7 machine, configuring it and I don't have to deal with aggravating crap while doing so. And yes, I've done that countless times with both OS.

[Dreamer]

Windows 8 performs better, is more stable, has more configuration options, etc. Under the hood it's flat out a better OS. People just don't like the Start Screen, which is an incredibly superficial complaint since you rarely need the start screen.

 

This is a ridiculous comment because Windows 8 has a demonstrable record of being difficult to run with many games. To suggest that the only complaint people have with 8 is the UI is asinine and smacks of non-objectivity.

 

Well, in order:

1: You don't. The game plays under Win7. Whether Bio optimized DAI adequately is a completely separate question -- unless you're arguing that Bio didn't do enough work to make the game operate under Windows 7 in particular? I don't see any evidence of that being presented. Windows 8.1's superior performance is because of what Microsoft did, not what Bioware didn't do.

2: Sure. You get your choice. If you want an interface you prefer but worse code under the hood, stick with Windows 7. Or Vista, or XP, or whatever else you're running.

3: I'm pretty sure that better FPS is better FPS no matter who does the counting.

 

1. If the improvement is so massive that people are seriously recommending an upgrade to Windows 8? You bet they didn't do enough. I'm not convinced Inquisition is as optimized as it can/should be.

 

2. Your bias is showing, and therefore your objectivity is in question.

 

3. Obvious again, but that's not what you (or anyone else) said. Windows 8 is notorious for not playing nice with many games. Is that "better" than Windows 7?

[MacroN0va]

This is a ridiculous comment because Windows 8 has a demonstrable record of being difficult to run with many games. To suggest that the only complaint people have with 8 is the UI is asinine and smacks of non-objectivity.

 

I've run many games on my machine. New games, old games, DOS games, etc. I've never had a problem. What games are so troublesome? I'll remind you that when Windows 7 came out, a lot of games that were still popular were designed to run on XP, and Windows 7 gave people problems as a result.

 

I've rarely seen a valid complaint about Windows 8.1 that wasn't related to the UI that didn't scream lack of familiarity with it. In particular, 8.1 made many cosmetic and usability improvements over Windows 8 that people seem to ignore when they complain about it. It's like those people who give games bad reviews based on what they heard about them.

 

I use Windows 8 at home and Windows 7 at work. They are both totally solid OSes and I find that I am able to look at them far more objectively than the people who can't seem to discuss Windows 8/8.1 without excessive hyperbole. 

[Vidas Secas]

my HD read speed is faster when I'm using win 8.1

[Rhayne05]

Don't get me wrong. I hate the "Start Screen". I miss my Start Bar for sure. There were a few moments of 'ARGH OMG HOW DO I DO <insert easy task in Windows 7, like safe mode!>!!" Google helps with that

 

Trust me, I understand the hesitation and dislike.

[AlanC9]

There are several examples of ignorance in this thread, like Windows 8 being a "touchpad OS" (you can literally go weeks without seeing the start screen depending on your workflow, longer if you install a 3rd party start menu or classic shell) or having to go through several steps to turn off the computer (alt+f4 from the desktop works just as well in 8 as it does in 7).

Though one can certainly argue that you shouldn't have to memorize key combinations to use the OS conveniently. FWIW, W10 shuts down pretty much the way older OSes do.

[MacroN0va]

Though one can certainly argue that you shouldn't have to memorize key combinations to use the OS conveniently. FWIW, W10 shuts down pretty much the way older OSes do.

 

Fair point. But wasn't one of the additions in 8.1 that you could right click the start button and get the shutdown dialogue? I've been alt+f4ing for a while now and can't remember. See, I agree that Windows 8 did a lot of things wrong, and the runaround you were given when trying to turn off the machine was one of them. But like a lot of legit complaints, I'm pretty sure it was addressed in 8.1.

[AlanC9]

1. If the improvement is so massive that people are seriously recommending an upgrade to Windows 8? You bet they didn't do enough. I'm not convinced Inquisition is as optimized as it can/should be.

Well, if you want to believe that Bio didn't do enough Windows-7-specific optimization, neither of us has any definitive evidence on that point. So we're going to have to let this one go.
 

2. Your bias is showing, and therefore your objectivity is in question.

Bias? That Windows 8.1 produces superior DAI performance by objective measures is a fact; the OP isn't the first tester here to notice this. W8 produces superior performance with most other programs, so this is hardly a surprise. The W8 kernel is simply more efficient than the Windows 7 kernel, by any objective measure. It's been tested.
 

3. Obvious again, but that's not what you (or anyone else) said. Windows 8 is notorious for not playing nice with many games. Is that "better" than Windows 7?

If something works better with the games I run, then it is better, yep. This is a DAI board, so I'm concerned with DAI's performance, which is better on W8. Honestly, the only game I've personally tried that has problems with W8 is Civilization 2, and that won't run on Windows 7 either -- though I believe that was a 64-bit problem.

I certainly never meant to suggest that Windows 8 is right for everyone. If you're running a bunch of older stuff that won't run well on W8, then of course you shouldn't upgrade.

[AlanC9]

Fair point. But wasn't one of the additions in 8.1 that you could right click the start button and get the shutdown dialogue? I've been alt+f4ing for a while now and can't remember. See, I agree that Windows 8 did a lot of things wrong, and the runaround you were given when trying to turn off the machine was one of them. But like a lot of legit complaints, I'm pretty sure it was addressed in 8.1.

You're probably right. I'm currently using a dual-boot Vista/W10 machine. I can't remember what's specifically in 8, 8.1, and 10.

[In Exile]

No one would disagree with the obvious. The disagreements thus far: 1) we shouldn't need to upgrade from software which is still widely used; 2) many people still dislike Windows 8; 3) "better" is incredibly subjective.

A 32 bit OS is widely used but I don't think anyone would ever say games should still support it or optimise for it. It's the same with Windows.

Don't confuse the insane UI with the stuff under the hood.

[Dreamer]

A 32 bit OS is widely used but I don't think anyone would ever say games should still support it or optimise for it. It's the same with Windows.

Don't confuse the insane UI with the stuff under the hood.

 

If I were talking about the UI, maybe I'd be confused, but my gripe with Windows 8 is compatibility and price.

[ironhorse384]

Good post OP, I'm doing a new build and have been trying to decide whether or not to go with 8.1. I think I might give it a try and if I don't like it I can go back to 7.

[pasmith31]

With Windows 10 just around the corner, I think I'll wait for it.

[BanditGR]

Well, in order:

1: You don't. The game plays under Win7. Whether Bio optimized DAI adequately is a completely separate question -- unless you're arguing that Bio didn't do enough work to make the game operate under Windows 7 in particular? I don't see any evidence of that being presented. Windows 8.1's superior performance is because of what Microsoft did, not what Bioware didn't do.

 

Bioware didn't do anything other than use Frostbite 3.0 for DA:I. It is a well known fact (especially among Battlefield players) that Frostbite simply performs better in Win 8.1, partially due to extended DX 11 support (namely DX 11.1), despite the fact that DAI, seems to run on DX 11.0.

[Dreamer]

With Windows 10 just around the corner, I think I'll wait for it.

 

If you're going to drop the money anyway, you might as well pick up 8. Word is Microsoft is giving free upgrades to 10 for anyone who has 8 (which I think is their way of keeping the price up for 8).

[DaemionMoadrin]

Win10 feels like the result of a drunken onenightstand between 7 and 8. Because "Let's put apps into the start menu" is such a good idea. You're going to need a while to configure it so it won't be messy.

[xrayspex73]

I find it humorous the amount of people ready to rip on Windows 8.1 who have never used it. The OS has a smaller memory footprint than Windows 7. Short of the stupid metro screen, I have no problems with it. With Classic Shell, I never have to see Metro.

 

If people want to discount the performance improvements from the OP's decision to upgrade his OS, they can continue to be ignorant and suffer worse performance in DA:I. 

[DaemionMoadrin]

I find it humorous the amount of people ready to rip on Windows 8.1 who have never used it. The OS has a smaller memory footprint than Windows 7. Short of the stupid metro screen, I have no problems with it. With Classic Shell, I never have to see Metro.

 

If people want to discount the performance improvements from the OP's decision to upgrade his OS, they can continue to be ignorant and suffer worse performance in DA:I. 

 

What about the people who have used it? A lot? Are we ignorant as well?

The only noticeable difference is DirectX 11.1 and better, that's all there is.

 

Or do you truly believe Microsoft re-invented the wheel with Win8? It is mostly identical to Win7.

 

Comparing current OS' is a joke anyway, you get updates at least once a week and that can change quite a lot. Remember the black screen after booting Win8 about half a year ago? Windows Update did that.

[Dreamer]

I find it humorous the amount of people ready to rip on Windows 8.1 who have never used it. The OS has a smaller memory footprint than Windows 7. Short of the stupid metro screen, I have no problems with it. With Classic Shell, I never have to see Metro.

 

If people want to discount the performance improvements from the OP's decision to upgrade his OS, they can continue to be ignorant and suffer worse performance in DA:I. 

 

There have been accounts of people trying both and seeing no improvement with 8.